How can a person who believes in a God rationalize

[RegieRocker]

that it is OK to destroy God's creation? How can they believe they love their children while leaving them a polluted trash heap? How can they believe they care about life when they care nothing about anyone other than the unborn. How can they not be concerned with the limits of the Earths resources?

Definition of insanity: Believing in two opposing ideas at the same time

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Because they're all gonna be raptured this May

and will leave the whole mess behind for the rest of us to deal with. They think.

[Tansy_Gold]

3. Yep, pretty much. That's it in a nutshell. n/t

[Kennah]

26. Nutcase in a nutshell

[CommonSensePLZ]

40. LOL you think Jesus wants to be up with those crazies for ETERNITY?! nt

[Ron Green]

2. Best I can tell, these "believers" have a limited god...

one who takes care of some people but not all, and one outside whose purview so much stuff happens.

[Kennah]

27. God can only lord over some of the people all of the time ...

... or is it all of the people some of the time?

I forget.

[Thunderstruck]

4. Because for them God is a tool.

God is not any more real to them than He is to an atheist. But a lot of people do believe in God and they know it and they use that to their advantage.

[tblue37]

42. I think some of these tools do believe in God, but their God looks and acts just like them,

because they, deep down inside, think of themselves as the ultimate, the ideal, the pinnacle, so of course in their minds God is a nasty piece of work who thinks and acts just the way they do.

I am agnostic, but if I were ever tempted to believe in God, the nastiness of their version of God would make me choose not to, just because I would find him so distasteful.

[hifiguy]

45. "Gods always behave like those who created them."

Zora Huston Neale

[xchrom]

5. i hope people realize that millions of christians haven't believed in

the false choice between science and their faith for ages.

for me the fault -- in part -- lies with the reluctance of christians not being willing to criticize unaffiliated evangelicals like billy graham some time ago.

they should have -- they didn't.

[RegieRocker]

8. I thinking "You're a heretic" is still used.

[xchrom]

13. people don't realize what a positive force vatican 2 and the ecumenical movement was and

still is.

the ecumenical movement has christians and muslims sharing worship -- an awesome development.

liberal christians were simply wrong in not confronting the unaffiliated evangelical movement when it was starting in the 40's.

[RKP5637]

6. I've always wondered the same for decades and decades. And it just seems to

get worse.

[JSK]

7. They believe that man has dominion over everything

Animals and the earth. And that man has every right to turn it all into crap.

[RegieRocker]

10. That is one of many falsehoods that is believed. Man is

the caretaker of the world, not the destroyer.

[arcane1]

9. To rationalize one must first be rational n/t

[RegieRocker]

12. Ok, you got me there!

:hi:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

11. The people who rationalize that are not actually Christians....

They are worshiping a really sick version of Christ and that's worse.

[RufusTFirefly]

18. Sounds like the "No true Scotsman" fallacy to me!

No true Scotsman is an intentional logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion. When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it.

The term was advanced by philosopher Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking: Do I sincerely want to be right?.

Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

—Antony Flew, Thinking About Thinking (1975)

Wikipedia

[YellowRubberDuckie]

25. Um, Ok?

I have no idea how that equates to what I said, but OK.
Duckie

[RufusTFirefly]

29. Hmmm. I thought the connection was pretty clear. Oh well.

:hi:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

30. I was being scathing to the people who proclaim to be christian but really aren't...

...this was...well, I don't know what it was about. It could be the migraine or it could have just made little sense. I'm not sure. :shrug:
:hi:

[CurtEastPoint]

14. God gave us creation to treasure and be a steward. Not to shit on and destory.

At least that's what my religion says.

[CrispyQ]

15. They are not Christians.

If they truly do believe in God, it is not the God I learned of when I was a young girl. And Jesus? The Cleansing of the Temple would pale in comparison to what he would do if he were here today.

[TK421]

16. You try and figure out that one, and you'll get one hell of a headache

they don't have any clue, themselves...only what has been drilled into their tiny little heads through fear of being shunned by those who take that idiotic book called the bible literally

I could say more on this....I'm in the right mood right now for it

but I won't..

[abelenkpe]

17. I dunno ask this girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o09fBbHQ-s

[ZombieHorde]

20. Holy fucking shit. nt

[abelenkpe]

22. Yeah that pretty much summed up my reaction as well. nt

[Very_Boring_Name]

35. She's a troll, she posted another video later saying she wasn't serious

I could tell all along that she wasn't being serious, she looked like she was trying pretty hard not to laugh in most of her videos (plus she kept calling lent the "Lentil season" lol)

[abelenkpe]

44. I dunno

She's seems pretty serious in her forum discussions.

http://christianchat.com/christian-young-adults-forum/15451-so-discouraging.html

She's nutty either way.

Lentil season tho :)

[quaker bill]

19. That is "cognitive dissonance"

Cognitive dissonance of itself is not necessarily insanity, although, the insane do suffer it frequently. Some of the truly insane do not have the capacity to hold two ideas at once....

[hifiguy]

47. You have to have cognition before you can have

cognitive dissonance. That eliminates most wingnuts and buybull thumpers right off the bat.

[Dappleganger]

21. People have choices.

Some people chose to create/mess with the most volatile substance on Earth to make energy to support too many people and their toys. Some people chose to put those nuclear plants right on top of known earthquake-prone areas. Some people chose bad designs and some people chose to trust the wrong authorities.

I don't think this has anything to do with God but people making one choice when they could have made another, and unfortunately those choices directly affect others who don't have any choices at all.

[emilyg]

31. +1

[Arugula Latte]

39. ...

So people have free will, therefore any and all screw-ups are man's fault. However, if something good happens, that was the "all-powerful" god's doing. Oh, and by the way, this god loves you, even though you just got nuked.

How convenient for this god. What excellent PR this god has.

[mysuzuki2]

23. If there is a god (which I personally doubt)

(s)he is either 1.) NOT omnipotent or; 2.) a sadistic asshole. I se no other possibilities.

[Ozymanithrax]

24. They justify it in accordance with Genesis 1:26

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Because God gave man dominion over all the earth, man can do whatever the hell he wants with it.

That is their justification.

[Iris]

28. Immature.

I think these people never grow up intellectually or emotionally. When I was in 2nd grade, every Saturday morning, I ate Cream of Wheat and watched Land of the Lost. Remember that show where a family gets trapped in prehistoric times. After that, my mom took me to CCD (Catholic religious classes). It did not take me long to add up the existence of dinosaurs and the story of Genesis did not add up.

People like those you describe are not mature enough to add things up and move their spiritual value system from black and white to gray.

[mzteris]

32. Definition of insanity:

Believing in two opposing ideas at the same time

Definition of insanity: believing in imaginary "gods" that go poof poof poof to create, destroy, "answer prayers", or exist for that matter.

[demigoddess]

33. apparently they believe that all they have to do is pray and

God will clean up their mess like a good servant.

[Very_Boring_Name]

34. You have to understand, they *WANT* the world to end

They pray for the rapture every single day, that's whats so scary about it. The right and the left are not both working under the assumption that their vision is best for humanity. The right is working under the premise that the faster the world ends the sooner jesus comes back and brings them to heaven.

[Arugula Latte]

36. I also think it's funny (in a sick way) that this invisible sky deity is so "loving"

Pay no attention to the wars, disease, suffering, poverty, starvation and ecodisaters -- all will be explained in the end and you will understand the ways of this magical being. :rofl:

The mental gymnastics it would take for me to "believe" in that god would twist me into a pretzel.

[Shagbark Hickory]

37. Retardation brought on by generations of inbreeding.

[muntrv]

38. I saw the following fundie bumper sticker once: "Forget saving the planet, save your soul.

The Earth will burn. Will you?" Sums up fundie thought.

[madrchsod]

41. the lady next door to me is japanese-american and a christian

she has the only dish receiver in town that points the other way.

[A Simple Game]

43. Not all true. They do care for more than the unborn.

They care mostly for themselves and would walk on a floor full of the unborn to pick up a ten dollar bill on the other side.

[Fire Walk With Me]

46. Some believe destroying the Earth will cause Jesus to return.

I suggest that Jesus might be a bit pissed. Possibly. It's not mine to say.

Please always remember that Sarah Palin and her people are these types. I'm not kidding.