Ok I an not the only "fool" stocking up on milk

[nadinbrzezinski]

I went to the local store and who is there? The same retired submarine captain I met yesterday. We split the milk. He is getting it for his grand kids mostly.

We just looked at each other and went... not good.

Oh and the cashiers looked at us as if we were crazy. We both got about three cases of 1 liter milk that lasts... we both considered the powdered, but that stuff justs tastes awful... On the bright side, I don't have to buy milk for a few months!

[mod mom]

1. Why? Am I missing something?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

5. Radiation shows up in dairy --

If the West coast gets any of the stuff blowing over from Japan, our dairy industry could be hit.

[mod mom]

13. Ever try almond milk? It's not bad.

Easy for me to say, I'm lactose intolerant, but really soy butter instead of regular and almond milk with frozen fruit for smoothies is a great alternative. :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. We have it from time to time

but hubby (and conure) like their milk

[Hell Hath No Fury]

60. Almond milk is very nice, I do rice and soy as well -

I never touch the cow stuff. Though I have been know to snarf down cheese on ocassion. :hi:

[Dappleganger]

66. This is what we use.

My preference is for rice, however.

[RebelOne]

103. I buy soy milk. A lot safer than what comes from a cow. n/t

[Dappleganger]

It sure is...

as long as it's organic, but most of the brands we see in the grocery store are labeled as such. The kids like soy (vanilla) and that's what we use to cook with.

[Hannah Bell]

145. in 2007 over half the world's soy crop was genetically modified.

us is the biggest soy producer in the world & in 2010 93% of the us soy crop was GM v. 9% as recently as 1997.

One of the important GM varieties is the "Roundup Ready" soybean, engineered so that fields could be easily sprayed with roundup (Monsanto TM) for weed control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean

3 global corporations control 65% of world soy exports. soy is vertically integrated & highly concentrated.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5468

the us dairy industry in comparison is much less so.

as a dietitian, i have often wondered where the sudden flood of studies & articles talking up the benefits of soy were coming from.

[bobbolink]

190. Interesting that nobody wanted to hear that. Thanks for the info!

[Liquorice]

259. What do you think the cows are eating? nt

[geardaddy]

337. If you buy milk from grass-fed cows

then they're not eating corn or soy.

Their stomachs are designed to handle corn or soy anyway.

[superduperfarleft]

342. And how many people honestly buy milk from grass fed cows?

Or meat from grass fed cows?

The fact is, the majority of soy produced goes to feed cattle to be consumed by humans, not for making soy milk.

[geardaddy]

363. You're right.

Not a lot of people do buy dairy or meat from grass-fed cows, but it doesn't change the fact that cows didn't evolve to properly digets soy and corn.

[stockholmer]

257. +1000

[geardaddy]

327. +1

I see fields of soybeans here in the summer and they're all factory farms.

[superduperfarleft]

343. And only a tiny quantity of that is used to produce soy milk.

Most of that soy is used to feed cattle.

[Liquorice]

370. Yep, in fact I doubt even 1% of it is used for soy milk. Most soy milk is organic, and

for it to be labeled organic it must be non-gmo by law. If people are opposed to using gmo soy, they shouldn't drink conventional cow's milk, that's for sure. That's ground zero for gmo soy.

[NashVegas]

346. 2011 More Like 90%

Damn happy I don't like soy, for the most part.

[dixiegrrrrl]

354. Wow.had no idea it was that controlled.

Never drank soy milk, after the warnings about how much soy people were ingesting doing so.
Thanks for that info.

[JeffersonChick]

256. I'm ok with soy - except for cheese!

Maybe I just haven't tried a good brand. Also, I've tried making hot chocolate with soy milk - undrinkable!

[Liquorice]

138. Almond milk is delicious. Coconut milk is really great too. Cow's milk

is just gross when you think about it.

[TheWraith]

116. No. Worrying about radiation coming a third of the way across the planet is silly.

You're at orders of magnitude more risk from left over radiation from 1950s nuclear tests.

[Cetacea]

204. It wasn't silly in the 70's when Chinese radiation clouds passed over

But you probably weren't around then. Not your fault.

[TheWraith]

216. Yes, it was. Can you cite the average dosage from those "clouds" in milliREM?

Seriously, to hear people talk about radiation, you would think it was magic. That ANY amount will kill you, it never disperses, and it has infinite range. In real scientific terms, you might as well worry about suffering smoke inhalation from the volcano that's erupting in Japan right now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

221. Shhh the worry is not about YOUR PERSONAL DOSAGE, which will be VERY LOW

but it is WELL KNOWN that certain isotopes do concentrate into HIGHER LEVELS in cow's milk. You know this, so stop pretending. Chances is it will stay LOW... as in VERY LOW... but it is rational response NOT to take that risk

By the way... any exposure, regardless of what the media might tell you, or the industry for that matter is NOT safe. Not to say that REQUIRED X-RAYS should be avoided, they should not.

Do you want the studies to show to you that yes small exposures are not safe either?

JAYSUS there are days.

[TheWraith]

245. And it's still hysteria.

Iodine-131 is not going to waft 10,000 miles across the planet in anything approaching a dose measurable by anything other than the most sophisticated scientific equipment we have. The problems with iodine concentrating in cow's milk take place within a few hundred miles at most of the point of origin.

These concerns about radioactive death clouds seriously need to be knocked down. There are ridiculous maps going around online talking about 750 RAD radiation clouds reaching the US west coast in 10 days--such pseudoscience would be laughable if it weren't such a dangerous form of fearmongering.

[Codeine]

248. There's an agenda at work.

They know it's all bullshit, but they'll do or say anything to kill the nuclear energy industry. They rely on the scientific ignorance of the American populace and prey on panic.

[Confusious]

258. After listening to some people around here

You would think Humans are all so frail, that if even an ember from a fire touches us we would all just dry up and blow away.

[nadinbrzezinski]

251. Call it whatever you want

have a good life...

Oh and yes that 750 rad map is just silly.

But whatever dude... people who know a little more than you, I suspect, do not think this is idiotic. If you want to believe all warm and fuzzy 'splain why the EPA IS MOVING equipment to the west coast?

Have a good life... iggy list keeps growing.

[Confusious]

260. Better safe then sorry?

Just because I buy a fire extinguisher or have a fire detector doesn't mean I'm planning on having a fire in my house.

[nadinbrzezinski]

265. You do not move that equipment just because

[Confusious]

267. Well, it's not just because

There might be a problem, there might not. Better to be ready.

[nadinbrzezinski]

301. Again you do not bring this gear out of storage just as a precaution

they expect radiation... (minor, as in measurable but really small) will be my expectation due to time distance.

But you do not bring them out. They are TESTED for background where they are for starters, not where they are being moved. They get broken out and tested once a year...

At this point I wish I did not write, helpt to, the addendum for the quake in TJ... yes the NUCLEAR one. (I mean we only have a small nuke plant up the road... San Onofre, so that city is one of the few that has a NUCLEAR addendum)

Oh and there is one more thing... since 9.11 trusting the EPA to tell you the truth and keep you abreast, unfortunately has become non-functional

Oh and watch what they do... not how safe and wonderful things will be here.

I am waiting for the EPA to start moving yellow ducky suits to the West Coast too. When they do that, if they even print it, it is more serious than they are telling you.

Again, I expect to get not even what I got when they took an X-Ray of my foot... not even that much... not even close to what would be needed to x-ray just my pinky... as in measurable but ridiculous low amounts (time\ distance) BUT you do not break that equipment just because.

[Codeine]

247. Weren't you the one whining about people who disagree with you being rude?

That post was rude as fuck.

[vanbean]

275. A tiny bit can kill you. There is no such thing as a safe level of radiation.

[Maru Kitteh]

288. Every human on this planet is exposed to "tiny" bits of radiation every single day and ALWAYS have

been. Before the industrial age, before written language, before we left the plains of Africa.

[nadinbrzezinski]

302. Background still causes cancer

just that the people on the Serengeti did not live long enough, mostly, to develop it.

[Maru Kitteh]

310. So we should all wrap ourselves in lead or what? That still won't eliminate exposure. My point is

that it's patently absurd to wring one's hands and exclaim "even tiny bits can KILL" when tiny bits are quite literally as natural as a walk in the sunshine.

[Cetacea]

229. Interesting. From 1967:

http://www.ki4u.com/free_book/s73p929.htm

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Though the radioactive isotope of Iodine

degrades fairly fast, it also concentrates quite well in cows that eat the stuff with their feed.

California is downwind... so even if our dose will be very minimal, the cows will concentrate that form of iodine.

This will enter the food chain,

[mzteris]

22. what about WI cows? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Time\distance

I would... as a precaution, especially if this thing blows it's top... realize we are in So Cal... if I were in Alaska (The first place to be hit)... I'd be a little more worried still.

[Maru Kitteh]

290. So traveling 1/5 of the way across the planet doesn't count for CA, but T/D counts for WI?

With all due respect, that's inconsistent logic.


A) Fukushima to LA = 5363 miles
B) LA to Madison = 1683 miles


So how exactly is it that radiation traveling over 3X the distance across the ocean is a cause for serious panic but the trip from LA to WI... not so much?

[nadinbrzezinski]

303. You propbably missed a low mountain range

that said the FURTHER YOU ARE from the accident the lower it is going to get, the more diffused.

Oh and that mountain range may cause it to go into rain, washing it off the atmosphere.

Regardless the amount of rads in the West Coast to a person will be infinitesimal, but it WILL Concentrate on milk.That is WELL KNOWN.

Jesus you people need to get a chill. Getting milk is just a fucking precaution since it DOES CONCENTRATE IN MILK... your individual dose, even in California, will be above background but most likely barely measurable. BUT COWS can and will eat it.. and concentrate it to a slightly larger level where it could start to be important.

[Maru Kitteh]

305. I wrote you a respectful post. Damn shame you couldn't respond in kind.

I have not asked you one single question or said one thing on this post about anything you've said except this.

Who needs to chill?

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[Obamanaut]

347. That was rude. nt

[Dappleganger]

39. They're union cows, they don't put up with that shit.

[demmiblue]

47. .

:spray:

[OneGrassRoot]

125. Me, too

:spray:

:rofl:

[Zoeisright]

224. LOL!

[geardaddy]

331. Soli-DAIRY-ty!

:thumbsup:

[Dappleganger]

358. What a great find!

Yes, indeed!

[flamingdem]

149. I think cesium degrades in 8 days, so needs to be multipled a few times

for the cycle in the chain and arrival time to the West Coast (just f'rintance)

[evrstrong]

218. Cesium 137 lasts for 600 years, and

concentrates in the food chain, particularly meat.

On entering the human body, it locates in muscle, where it can induce a malignant muscle cancer; a sarcoma.

Another lovely gift from the NRC!

[Confusious]

262. The half life of Cesium 137

Is 30 years. 50% will be gone in 30 years. 75% in 60. 87.5% in 90. 93.75% in 120. 96% in 150.

By that time, it's so spread out and so little, there is little danger. There is little danger in 120.

Strontium 90 is 28 years.

[Confusious]

263. You're thinking iodine.

[DCKit]

58. Chernobyl redux.

Not 100% sure of the facts, but I believe:

Radioactive cesium acts, chemically, like calcium in chemical reactions. When it falls to the ground, it lands on the grass and is eaten by animals and gets into your milk by replacing calcium.

This particular scenario is what led to the mass slaughter of reindeer and dairy herds in Eastern Europe after Chernobyl.

That milk might be worth a whole lot more in a couple of weeks, whether or not any radioactive material makes it to our west coast.

[nadinbrzezinski]

70. Exactly...

some of the folks here do not understand this.

Also Iodine is concentrated in mammary glands, which also attacks the thyroid... (the reason for those iodine pills. I doubt we will get to take your iodine in the west coast but)

[meow mix]

2. got a lot of cans today yah.

we have a well... plenty of good water down there. at least we'll have the coffee covered

[Snoutport]

10. LOL...i'll admit, i bought a bunch of canned stuff sunday...stuff i don't like!

I will admit to buying three bags of canned foods i usually don't buy on sunday. I found myself picking things I would NEVER just open up and eat. (if I buy canned mandarin oranges...i usually end up eating them...yum! But I bough canned potatoes and spinach. GROSS! But, I know that those are going to stay in the cupboard for a long time...

my mom is a depression baby...she could probably go 3-4 months without shopping if she had to. We can probably go a week now.

BUT, I SORTA FEEL LIKE A TOTAL HENNY PENNY!!!!!! but the canned food made me feel better.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. That is my next step actually

buying canned...

Not being henny penny just knowing a little which is cold comfort, hubby and I were kidding, ignorance would be bliss about now.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

3. What kind of milk lasts "months"?

All the milk at the stores near me have only sell-by dates of a few weeks out.

Not that I'm worried. I'll just buy fresh milk from local farms.
Fresh untainted milk > old untainted milk

[ixion]

11. Milk in anti-septic containers

it doesn't need refrigeration, either.

[Agent William]

32. UHF milk...

Also known colloquially as long lasting milk. I have some in my cupboard right now, actually tastes pretty good. And at £1.06 per litre it's slightly less expensive than good milk in the states.

Here's to hoping that a radioactive cloud doesn't reach the west coast of the US, or anywhere for that matter. After Chernobyl a radioactive cloud passed over Britain and on that same day it rained in some parts of Wales. From what I've heard milk production in that area was halted for years after, hence OP's concern.

[suffragette]

62. I remember that from when I lived in Germany

Very handy with the small refrigerator we had and tasted fine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Exactly we are farther, time distance, but we could still

potentially get hit

[hlthe2b]

77. It is expensive in the US and much harder to find... n/t

Parmalat is the only brand I've seen and it runs about $4.50 a quart (by comparison, I can get a gallon {4 quarts} of ORGANIC fresh milk for $5)

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. You do not want to ask how much I paid

and the brands were Horizon and yes Hershey's

[hlthe2b]

92. LOL... enough said...

:)

[jannyk]

38. Long-life mik in Tetrapak containers. It lasts about a year

It's been readily available in the UK/Europe since before I left in 1980. Here it is difficult to get, but they sell it locally here because we are in a very rural location. We always have a few on hand as we are 25km from the nearest store.

No refrigeration needed and tastes exactly the same as regular milk. They sell soups, stocks, gravies in the same 'Tetrapacks' you must have seen them on the shelves?

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. and I was surprised to find it here

since we are not in a rural area. I was fearing the powder stuff... which is not precisely nice.

[hlthe2b]

88. Did you buy at a commissary?

As I posted upstream, I've seen Parmalot quarts on occasion for about $4.25 or so, which is really expensive when you think that you could buy a gallon of fresh organic for $5--- making UHT milk about $17/gallon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. Actually Ralphs, they sell it from Horizon for years

and also Hershey's...

To be honest the Commissary did not even enter my mind, and that be a place to find it... Permalat that is.

My mom buys it in Mexico at the Price Club, and it is actually cheaper than fresh

[obxhead]

144. One of the places I actually find it most often

is gas stations. They seem to like to stock it as they don't sell as much I guess.

[jannyk]

255. ssssh,don't tell, but I bought 2 cases at the Dollar store a while ago

:eyes:

[JitterbugPerfume]

104. I freeze it

[Common Sense Party]

296. You can freeze milk, too. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

4. One born every minute.

[redwitch]

65. That was rude.

IMVHO.

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[Ikonoklast]

83. Yeah, imagine that. I was accused of being rude.

Must hate the competition, eh?

[Ikonoklast]

81. Minute must be up.

[redwitch]

89. I know everyone is on edge but rudeness doesn't help.

Peace.

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[Joe the Revelator]

137. amen

[Armstead]

6. Huh?

Why the need to stock up on milk?

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. The radiation will enter the food chain that way

the radioactive iodine concentrates on milk the west coast is a milk producing area.

Worst case, we will have milk that has it... why I just got the version that last three months, cases of the stuff.

That would start in five to seven days from now, up to ten from the first release.

It should be a very low... I wish I did not know this crap by the way.

But the fires at reactor four are releasing radiation...

[Richard D]

29. I believe

The concern would be much more for Strontium 90 and Cesium 131
Both will absorb in the body and go to places Ca would go to.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Those too, they have longer half lives

by the way pass the cesium...

:-)

[Armstead]

155. Oh...Well I guess this is one time I'm glad I'm allergic to milk

But I guess similar concerns about other food.

[Call Me Wesley]

7. Is there a milk shortage in the US?

And on retired submarines, too? :shrug: Are lactose-intolerant people going to die, vegetarians, vegans? Iodine pills! Don't forget them!

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. We are NOT to the point of needing those pills

our chances of that are low.

And what do you think drives a sub these days? A reactor, a NUCLEAR reactor. A captain is a Nuclear Engineer among other things.

[rug]

27. Not yet but we're running out of tin foil.

[MikeW]

37. now that was funny

:rofl:

[Dappleganger]

43. +100000

[Call Me Wesley]

57. Give me a call, I have some left!

Until it gets there, drink lots of milk and study NUCULEAR thingies.

[taterguy]

154. How much would you charge to ship a case of the stuff to the states?

[TroglodyteScholar]

75. Bingo n/t

[Ikonoklast]

79. I bought 10,000 rolls of tinfoil on eBay today from some sucker.

Got it dirt cheap, too, only $89.00 a roll.


Go ahead and laugh, in two more weeks, I'll be rich, rich I tell you!!


HAHHAHHAAAA!!!

[leftstreet]

9. The only people who should be drinking milk are baby cows n/t

[Call Me Wesley]

14. Heh!

:thumbsup:

[flvegan]

15. Oh hush you.

That sort of nonsense don't go round here.

:hi:

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Many humans have evolved to be able to digest milk as adults

We've been doing it long enough for that to happen.

[Dappleganger]

25. And a significant amount of us are lacto-intolerant as well.

The older I get the worse it is.

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. Sure; the majority of people in the world are lacto-intolerant, eventually

But 'the only people who should be' denies something some groups, such as northern Europeans, have been doign for thousands of years.

[greyl]

360. being "able to" and "have been doing for a long time" still doesn't equal "should". nt

[Dappleganger]

23. Oh hai!

Yeppers, indeed. ;)

[Critters2]

35. +1 nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

180. Fine then, I'll eat the baby cows instead. n/t

[TahitiNut]

280. However, most lactating women are notoriously hard to hook up to milking machines.

So, we offer cows room and board and they accept the offer.

:dunce:

[Incitatus]

362. then don't use a machine

[Aerows]

365. I'm addicted to the cow

what can I say.

[TNDemo]

18. Buy from a local dairy,

unless you are on the west coast. I actually have not even thought about milk.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I am on the west coast

:hi:

Why we both just looked at each other... and went shit.

[Dappleganger]

19. Don't forget the radiation which shows up in toilet paper, too.

:sarcasm:

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. You can laugh about it, we are not

ok we were laughing about the guy getting bread... now that would be silly, unless he is planning to freeze most of it.

[Dappleganger]

33. It does seem alarmist.

But if it makes you feel better, have at it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Well I guess people who know are alarmists

be happy...

and if you want to believe that... whatever. IIRC you are clear out on the OTHER side of the country. If I were where you are, I'd just avoid california cheese...

[Dappleganger]

48. Yes we are...

and we don't really do cheese, either.

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[LanternWaste]

273. I imagine it's somewhat difficult...

I imagine it's somewhat difficult for many people to realize the difference between alarm and concern...

[nadinbrzezinski]

304. Thanks

I think you are correct

[LanternWaste]

318. You're one of the last people on this board I would think of as "paranoid."

You're one of the last people on this board I would think of as "paranoid."

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[JanMichael]

44. We aren't either; and we are on the EAST coast

Clearly, the situation in Japan is out of control. Scary. We are getting stuff that we would normally eat or drink anyway. Glad some folks here think it's a laughing matter. Wish we did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Fortunately due to time \ distance you can relax a lot more

this is worst case scenario for us.

And yes ignorance is bliss... I wish I had that benefit.

[JanMichael]

63. We do....you are right..

But, when *stuff* starts hitting you, it doesn't take that long for panic buying to start here.

If ignorance were bliss, DU should be the HappyBeyondThrilledUnderground.com.

There are some serious jackasses on this website now....if it makes you feel better, a long time ago a friend opened a bar in Charlotte, NC. When the reviewer from paper showed up to review it, he asked our friend how business was. Our friend (who to his credit was three or four vodkas down by that point) said "well, you know how it is when you open a public establishment; pretty soon the public shows up."

That's how this place is now.

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[VoteProgressive]

28. A little paranoid I think but to each their own. Good luck!

[Hannah Bell]

30. west coast readings. lower than denver & lower than earlier this am.

current as of 4:45 3/15

san francisco = 22

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

12:43 3/15

sf = 26

all within normal limits

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=653115&mesg_id=653115

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. I have no doubt that you're not the only fool

As a historian, did you opt for three cases over two?

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Well the USN Captain Retired who is also a nuclear engineer was not taking

it as fun either... is he qualified?

[alcibiades_mystery]

56. ROFL

I can't account for an old fool, but I'm glad to see that you admit you're not qualified. This may be a DU first, in fact!

:rofl:

[cleanhippie]

300. Oh, SNAP!

:rofl:

[JanMichael]

50. Just out of curiousity, why do you think it's so funny

the people want to eat food that isn't exposed to radiation or toxins? I don't find the subject funny at all.

[alcibiades_mystery]

61. I generally find Chicken Littleism funny

The hilarity is magnified when it's promoted by terminal Chicken Littles who hold themselves out as experts on any topic whatsoever, on the slimmest of credentials or track record.

So yeah, I find that funny.

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[alcibiades_mystery]

95. Heh

Be my guest.

[meow mix]

108. good idea nt

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[alcibiades_mystery]

93. Gahahahaha

The "Historian" has spoken!

:rofl:

[Codeine]

96. Trends! nt

[Blue-Jay]

100. !

[flamingdem]

82. On MSNBC now: "The situation is out of control" so... nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

85. It is just jumping bunies

and kittens, yes definitely Kittens.

[flamingdem]

99. glowing bunnies! nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Here

[flamingdem]

109. I think I'll save that and put it in my profile!

Bunnies are kind of "my thing" from childhood anyway. I still get the bunny birthday cards as a form of teasing.

[meow mix]

110. hope they dont come begging for a cup of milk.

i wont have it for them.

[flamingdem]

111. They'll be looking for glowing carrots! nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Nope, no glowing carrots that I can find

poor bunny.

[cali]

40. ridiculous.

[MikeW]

42. good god people get a grip

and stop panicking ... its no wonder this country crumbles every natural disaster.

[Codeine]

52. Ain't that the damned truth. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. So you think a NUCLEAR TRAINED engineer should also get a grip?

Worst case we will get SOME radiation which WILL concentrate in cows milk... amounts will be minimal. no exposure IS SAFE.

This crap will enter the food chain... or you deny that?

[JanMichael]

72. hit the ignore button

seriously...go through your thread and hit it. Life right now is stressful enough without reading people that just don't have the personality to post on the web without coming across as mean spirited dipshits.

[Bluebear]

90. Sage advice.

My ignore list is huge. I don't need to read every thought that crosses someone's craven mind.

[MikeW]

98. considering there's no data to show anything reached the US yet ... no

[nadinbrzezinski]

107. Considering that the WINDS take anywhere from seven

to ten days to reach the coast of Alaska...

[Codeine]

123. Seven to ten years?

Huh?

[Ikonoklast]

147. Would that also affect the prices charged by Alaskan dry cleaners?

Does wind-blown radiation ruin coats in Alaska quicker than elsewhere?

Is it because it's colder in Alaska, and people wear their coats longer, so they'll need to be decontaminated more frequently?

Should Sarah Palin call out the ANG?









Stay tuned until next week, when all of these questions, and more, will be answered in the next installment of "The Historian"!!!!




And now, a word from our sponsor, Gently Glowing Dairy, whose dairy products have a long shelf-life due to being naturally irradiated.

[cali]

105. you're exposed to radiation every day of your life. duh.

[Codeine]

124. Radiation heated the fuck out of the interior of my car today.

Fucking nukers!

[lumberjack_jeff]

181. I wonder what dose I got from my woodstove today. n/t

[pipi_k]

279. Probably more than I got from

my glow in the dark decoder ring...

[TK421]

238. DON'T TELL US TO STOP PANICKING MOTHERFUCKER!!!@ ITS OUR GODGIVEN RIGHT!!@@!$

[Skittles]

264. YOU WANT I SHOULD KICK YOUR PANICKING ASS, TK421?

LEMME AT YOU!!!

[TK421]

278. ;)

:pals:

[LanternWaste]

274. You consider a purchase of milk as panic?

You consider a purchase of milk as panic?

That seems a bit... extreme. And that in itself seems a bit ironic.

[Codeine]

45. That others are as paranoid as you

doesn't make any of you reasonable.

And milk is fucking nasty anyway. Anything pumped out of animals on an industrial scale is inherently icky.

[LanternWaste]

277. The purchase of particular milk brands is now perceived as paranoia?

Regardless of your germane and highly relevant opinion of milk in and of itself, is the purchase of particular milk brands now perceived as paranoia?

[apocalypsehow]

53. Good grief. UnRec. n/t.

[a la izquierda]

64. almond milk for me.

i admit, i might be worried if i lived in california. but i don't anymore, so i'll stick to rationale. my husband and i have been debating veganism anyway.

[eleny]

69. Good stuff but mashed potatoes taste truly odd made with it or rice milk

:hi:

[CountAllVotes]

101. drain off less water after boiling the potatoes

and turn on the electric mixer and whip them up with the excess water (the excess water=milk; lowfat, etc.). They will keep in the refrigerator for several days if properly sealed. Reheat them in the over or fry them up again later if you like.

Just say no to milk.

[Codeine]

102. Learned that trick on the Food Network.

Milk is completely unnecessary in mashies.

[CountAllVotes]

119. never used it growing up

Often we did not have any milk so that is how we had them. Taste fine to me! :)

[eleny]

133. My problem is that I boil the potatoes to get rid of the high minerals

Someone here has a health condition that makes mashed potatoes a real treat. Mashed are okay because the taters are boiled and the water poured off.

Then I add just a little bit of milk and some ground pepper. Do you think some fresh, plain water would work?

[Maru Kitteh]

178. I use a touch of almond milk and some vegetable broth. YUM.

[eleny]

201. Vegetable broth - now there's the ticket!

I switched from chicken broth to veggie broth and find that the dishes taste even better. For instance, my green chili now has a depth of flavor that's really tasty. I use an ultra low sodium brand or make my own adding no salt at all.

Thanks for your reply as I think you've solved this for me. :pals:

[Maru Kitteh]

219. you're very welcome! glad to pitch in :-)

[CountAllVotes]

353. maybe some hot water would work

You could always add some dry powdered milk to it. I often cook with powdered milk because it is convenient in cooking. However, I cannot stand the taste of it.

I also do this with buttermilk - cook with it but will not drink a glass of the powdered stuff. :puke:

[a la izquierda]

335. Huh, haven't tried it...

mmm, that's disturbing indeed.

[eleny]

67. The trick to powdered milk is to use a bunch more than the recipe advises

Just and fyi.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

200. And add a splootch of half and half to it.

If you want a little fat in it.

[eleny]

203. "splootch"

:rofl:
A word that sounds just like what happens.

[craigmatic]

78. Won't the milk you bought in bulk spoil? It's times like these I'm glad I'm lactose intolerant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. No, it is in a terapack container

they last six months to a year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra_Pak

[Bluebear]

84. Milk I can do without....but do they make half-and-half in tetrapak? lol

Me without coffee = another disaster!

[nadinbrzezinski]

86. They might, I really did not check on that

They sort of do... the small coffee mate cups... they last a little longer

[dbackjon]

118. No doubt!

[eleny]

140. Would plain Coffee Mate work for you?

My hubby had to give up using milk in coffee and made the switch. Seems pretty creamy tasting. I realize the contents of these non dairy products can be hair raising. But you make the choices that work.

My folks used to keep powdered milk around and just use a lot in a cup of coffee. Yes, it tastes different. But it's not altogether bad and kind of creamy if you use a couple of spoonfuls.

[Bluebear]

217. Yes, I can do that :)

[glinda]

364. You can make a ceramic glaze using Coffee-Mate. Silica in it.

[Aerows]

366. Dear God

I didn't know that. Thankfully, I drink my coffee black no sugar, like I drink my iced tea plain, too.

[Obamanaut]

87. No, there are two, according to the first line in message block. nt

[LoZoccolo]

112. Cool story, bro. n/t

[Raine]

114. I wonder though what happens when you buy ready made products that contain milk, how do you know

those are safe? You know these companies, they don't care where they get stuff or what's in it as long as they get it cheap and sell it high.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. Due to that gluten intolerance

I don't use that anymore. I make everything from scratch.

[Name removed]

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[hedgehog]

120. Just for what it's worth, but a week ago anyone who predicted

that six reactors would be in danger of meltdown would have been considered the head of the Tin Hat Brigade....

[Imajika]

122. All 6 reactors could completely melt down..

..in a worst case scenario disaster, and we still wouldn't need to be stocking up on milk.

People are just being silly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

127. Some folks still think that

[cali]

132. nonsense. to the informed, a major earthquake has always been a source of concern

regarding nuclear energy facilities. This didn't surprise me at all.

[Bluenorthwest]

121. It is always good to have some food on hand...

you live in CA, for crying out loud! Earthquake kits for everyone! Not expecting radio activity issues on the West Coast, personally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

128. VERY MINOR if we have them

this is more be ready that is all

[taught_me_patience]

126. You could just not drink milk?

:shrug:

Seriously... it's not even all that good for you. I haven't drunk milk in ten years, and don't miss it at all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. Husband loves it

and ironically so does the conure

[Whisp]

130. rice, beans and water is what I'd be thinking of

but some of us are 'milkers' I guess.

:)

[Obamanaut]

131. That would make a very boring OP. No 'doom and gloom' nt

[Aerows]

136. You could just stop drinking water, too...

...surely I can't be the only person that views milk as an absolute necessity along with the OP.

[Wednesdays]

269. Works for me

Stop drinking milk, stop drinking water. Drink nothing but beer instead.
:beer:

[Aerows]

367. LOL Beer is a necessity too...

... just a little lower down than fresh Iced Tea and coffee. If I eliminated dairy from my diet, I'd starve to death.

[Aerows]

134. I'm on the east coast..

..but mess with my milk and there will be MAJOR issues :D.

I can certainly understand the need to ensure a supply of it. I have cans of goat's milk just in case.

[nadinbrzezinski]

141. Absolute worst case scenario avoid milk products from the West Coast

that is absolute worst case. We talked about it. our cheese, either WI union made or ... European, or Vermont

The amounts were taling are small... but enough to be avoided by doing this for a few months.

[flamingdem]

148. I wonder how many months and what isotope is of concern

not to be an HP or anything but I think it's cesium for the most part so a few months sounds right... but what about other isotopes? I'm sure we'll be hearing about it..

I eat a lot of wild salmon, wondering if it's time to give that up and go veggie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. I am not sure how some of the pacific fisheries will

fare to be honest.

Also it is so far staying into surface winds... these things are "heavy"

[flamingdem]

152. Our beautiful CA, sigh nt

[Codeine]

160. Our beautiful CA will be fine. nt

[flamingdem]

170. We don't know that yet nt

[madinmaryland]

135. What the hell are you talking about???

Like a lot of folks here, please explain what you are talking about.

TIA.

[Joe the Revelator]

139. Just more baseless hand wringing....

[seabeyond]

142. frantically perusing thread to see if i should panic and find some milk.... or

not

[hlthe2b]

156. I don't think anyone is pushing this. The OP lives on the west coast

and really likes their milk... I find the discussion interesting, because given I live in Colorado, I always stock non-perishables. Between blizzards in the winter and thunderstorms/tornadoes in spring/summer, power outages are not all that rare. Since I too am a real latte "junkie," I was curious if they had found the UHT long life milk at a reasonable price anywhere. Oh, and if you are curious, I can heat water on a propane camp stove, and have a hand pump type espresso maker that works anywhere. That and a battery operated milk frother and I can "feed" my addiction just about anywhere. ;)

Seriously, though, I'm not concerned for myself at this point, but can understand why those in HI and CA coast might be looking at the possibilities a bit more closely.

[seabeyond]

164. first time, only time, i went camping with hubby, imagine his surprise when i was able to get up

make a fire, boil water for some instant coffee, lol. i was so proud. never done anything like it in past, but worked.

coffee is a great incentive for creative.

i really was reading to see if i needed to educate myself. i am clueless on the type of milk you are all talking about. never heard of it.

calif... i would be looking at it differently too.

[HuckleB]

168. Why?

After all the vast majority of the trip from Japan to Texas is over by the time you get to California.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

193. ah...

not real serious. as you say, texas is pretty far. if there is an issue, we wont drink milk. never heard of the product though. so was curious.

[HuckleB]

210. OK, then.

I'm more worried about the effect on cheese, myself. I mean, you may not know it, but the west coast makes some fine cheese.

[hlthe2b]

169. Looks like this...

Comes in quart size packages like oversized juice boxes but can remain (unopened) and unrefrigerated up to a year... lasts longer once refrigerated as well. Much better than canned milk and don't even get me started with powder (yuck). They sell whole milk, 2%, 1% and fat free, though finding a specific type can be tricky.

I find it at some whole Foods (very expensive) and for about $4.50/quart at some local grocery stores... You can buy online, but the shipping is outrageous. Nice to have a couple in the cupboard, though. ;)

[seabeyond]

195. isnt that interesting.

i have never heard of it. i learned something tonight. thanks

[gkhouston]

261. I've seen it in warehouse stores near the beginning of hurricane season. n/t

[Adsos Letter]

214. Drank some of that in Switzerland. n/t

[Unvanguard]

143. Um, have fun with that. n/t

[Obamanaut]

146. Glad I read the whole thread before some of the really funny stuff went away. nt

[seabeyond]

166. me too.

lol i was only able to read subject cause was deleted in the next step.

[Tumbulu]

151. well I just upped the kelp meal I feed my sheep, chickens and horse-

we already eat seaweed every day to keep our iodine up.

We are in N. Calif, so I think it makes absolute sense to protect our thyroids and kelp is a great supplement that I feed my animals anyway.

[nadinbrzezinski]

153. We will, if we get any, get small ammounts

it will concentrate on milk though...

Me, just got the milk, will get some canned... I live in quake country anyway...

:-)

[Lucian]

157. Wait...what?

You're worried about radiation coming from cows in the United States? I don't know about you, but my milk is from cows in the same state I live in.

Does your milk come from Japan? :wtf:

[nadinbrzezinski]

159. You should take a good luck at the chernobyl spread map

[rug]

163. Not margarine too?!?

[leftstreet]

173. ...

:spray: :spray: :spray:

omg that took me a minute

You funneh

:rofl:

[Ikonoklast]

188. "Buy Chernobyl Spread! Less calories, less cholesterol, and yet sooo tasty!"

"Now in the easy to find in your refrigerator when the lightbulb burns out package, because it glows in the dark!"


"Thanks for buying Chernobyl Spread, Honey, it's not only delicious, but I can now go poop in the dark!"


"It's the radioisotopes Dear, they're so good for you."

[pecwae]

266. You.....

are cracking me up!

[seabeyond]

167. i would like to see that. any link. nt

[Lucian]

182. Anyone born after 1942 has radioactive isotopes in their body.

I'm not worried about it.

[wickerwoman]

176. I think the OP is worried about the jet stream.

In WWII, the Japanese floated bombs on balloons in the jet stream and hit five or six targets on the West Coast. Cheap and not detectable by radar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

So theoretically radioactive particles could travel on the jet stream and impact the West Coast. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

179. Correct, if it stays in the lower levels

it will drop well before

By the way EPA moves monitors to the West Coast

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x656675

[Lucian]

183. I'm wondering if the government will lie to us...

like they did about the Gulf oil spill. There'll be higher than normal radioactive levels on the West coast and they'll tell us everything is fine.

That's what I'm afraid of.

[nadinbrzezinski]

191. Watch what they do...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x656675

[bluestate10]

158. I needed a good laugh. Just got it. nt

[LoZoccolo]

161. I think I'm on ignore. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

165. Why don't you tell us about the time you...

[HuckleB]

171. Hmm. The Ides of Milk! ...

[hlthe2b]

172. Get off your can and make me a latte! Pronto!

:evilgrin:

[HuckleB]

186. .

:thumbsup:

[unkachuck]

174. I'm with ya, nadinbrezinski....

....I haven't started stockpiling stuff yet but one thing I know for certain, if that crap makes it to the good ole USA we'll be under-informed and bullshitted about its' scope and severity....

[nadinbrzezinski]

184. Here EPA is moving monitors

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x656675

[unkachuck]

197. they locked the thread....

....post it again minus what they don't like....

[nadinbrzezinski]

222. I give up

personal attacks are fine... as long as it is not protected people.

There is a reason why I stopped alerting a long time ago. Take a gander of this thread.

[Codeine]

249. You're the most protected person on the whole site. nt

[SidDithers]

175. This thread is full of win...

Trends!!

Sid

[La Lioness Priyanka]

177. lol.

[Throd]

185. Just to be safe, I'll stock up on pre-radiated beer.

[B2G]

187. How much of that are you sending to Japan?

None? Oh.

[LucySky]

189. the same amount that you are.

[meow mix]

192. multiple reactors left to burn, and people make fun of a little saftey prep.

its astounding

[Name removed]

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[onenote]

194. remind me: did people on the east coast stock up on milk after Chernobyl?

After all, Chernobyl is located nearly 1000 miles CLOSER to the east coast of the US than Sendai is to the west coast of the US.

[meow mix]

196. ? they were not the next stop in the wind currents. in this situation the US is

is today your 12th birthday?

[onenote]

198. and how far did the spread area from Chernobyl cover?

Somewhere was the next stop for the Chernobyl spread -- how far did it get?

[meow mix]

199. this is 6? reactors, and twice as many spent fuel ponds.

this could be worse. you wanna be a fool... be my guest lol.

[HuckleB]

211. And...?

Seriously, do you understand any of this?

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[HuckleB]

220. And a red herring for a response.

Shocking!

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

227. Do you? because I do, and that NUCLEAR ENGINEER

does as well.

Re-read what I said. NUCLEAR ENGINEER.

[HuckleB]

231. I love internet anecdotes!

They are fun.

It's interesting to see just how much fear mongering some people will pursue.

[Name removed]

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[JVS]

361. I don't think the US had milk in a tetra pak at the time, so stocking up would have...

just increased spoilage.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

202. OK! I AM NOT THE ONLY FOOL TO STOCK UP ON CHEETOS

I went to the local store and who is there? The same retired submarine captain I met yesterday, along with his wife the brain surgeon, the movie star, the Professor and Marry Ann. We split the snack food aisle. He is getting it for his grand kids mostly.

We just looked at each other and went... not good. DON'T BUY SNACKS FROM THE WEST COAST!

I walked up tpo the cashiers and they looked at me funny with my three carts loads of Cheetos and Twinkies. I just pointed them to the ghost of Carl Sagan, who said "Bilions and billions of radioactive particles with make snack foods unsafe!"

In any case, I won't have to buy Snack foods for months!
So party at my place! Just remember, BYOGC: Bring Your Own Geiger Counter!

[Codeine]

205. You win the thread.

Mods, please close -- it's just too awesome to continue. :evilgrin:

[Ikonoklast]

208. I concur.

I've been in there pitching with everything I got, but this dude comes along and slams the door shut.

I humbly bow before him.


This thread is so full of win, the mods stole some of the best parts to keep for themselves.

[Name removed]

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[alcibiades_mystery]

207. ROFL

Perfect!

[Joe the Revelator]

209. Well done.

[seabeyond]

234. ya, and twinkies last what, twenty, thirty years??? as long as it isnt my cheerios... but then

i would need the milk.

[SidDithers]

240. +1 internets to you, sir...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[leftstreet]

243. Er...did you get any beer?

:beer:

[U4ikLefty]

252. I'm not worthy!!!

Too freakin' good.

[Dappleganger]

295. O M G, what a DUzy!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[pecwae]

311. Shit!

Please cheer down. I just spit tea, but it's probably radioactive anyway.:hi:

[Ikonoklast]

212. The weirdist thing about this thread is that not only did I get a primer

on the uptake of fast-decaying radioisotopes by certain lactating ruminant mammals during feeding, I also picked up some good kitchen tips on how to make batter mashed potatoes!

This is why I love DU.

[jumptheshadow]

340. Thumbs up for the chuckle (nt)

[Cleita]

213. I've been using powdered milk for a long time.

I don't drink the stuff, but cook with it. Fresh milk just used to go bad on me, because I didn't use a lot, so powdered milk was a better solution. People don't know the difference. I use it in mashed potatoes, sauces and baking.

[nadinbrzezinski]

228. Hubby loves it, and so does the conure

No birds should not be able to drink it... she has built a tolerance to it.

[bluedigger]

225. But... What about teh ice cream?

Summer's coming...:shrug: :cry:

[Countdown_3_2_1]

230. Hot Fudge toppings are a good substitute for iodine sprinkles. nt

[slackmaster]

239. Childrens' ice cream, Mandrake?

[Skip Intro]

232. Water. not milk. nt

[TK421]

233. as long as they have 1%....I only buy that anymore ...I didn't know this before, but

did you know that the higher the milk fat ( whole, 2 percent or 1 percent ) the lowest the shelf-life it had? If you keep 1% in your refrigerator it will keep longer than if you have a gallon of whole milk in there? I never really experimented with it, but I've kept 1% in my fridge for what seems to be almost two weeks (after buy-on date) and the stuff is just fine....

then again, my grandmother used to buy the cartons and freeze them...thus eliminating this scenario

[nadinbrzezinski]

236. Hersheys makes it at 1%, what I got today

[TK421]

241. Hersheys? I always buy 1%...I used to get 2% but I found that 1 was just right

after that, whole milk was like drinking heavy cream...but I won't lie to you, it was still good!

Let me know if you had the same experience I have..as far as 1% keeping longer than whole milk ( or, if you have a whole-milk product in your fridge ) I really think the fat content has something to do with it :-)

How you doin, by the way? :pals:

[nadinbrzezinski]

244. We drink Horizon 1% usually and same experience

it also works better for a latte.

And I am doing ok... just really disappointed with moderation. Personal attacks off the scale, but I am the problem...

:-)

Expect them to delete this too.

[TK421]

246. You mean you can't be assimilated? HEATHEN!~!!@!@!#$!$!@%(*#

[slackmaster]

237. I'm an adult. There is no need for an adult human to consume the lactation of any species.

The stuff's pure poison.

[TK421]

242. but it's really good with Corn Pops!!

[Codeine]

250. Damn right.

Straight up nasty and bizarre as all fuck.

[pokerfan]

253. I don't touch the stuff

Not even in my coffee.

[Liquorice]

254. Exactly. nt

[LanternWaste]

298. No need for an adult human to consume...

No need for an adult human to consume 95% of the different varieties we enjoy.


However, I'm fully confident the particulars you yourself consume that are not necessary are quite justified...

[madinmaryland]

268. Did someone twitter you to tell you to stock up on milk??

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

270. Kick...

:evilgrin:

Sid

[alcibiades_mystery]

272. You're mean

I think "Getting Your Three Crates of Milk" may reach epicness of Olive Garden proportions before the hand-wringing is done.

:rofl:

[SidDithers]

293. Well, we should at least allow for that possibility...

shouldn't we? :)

Sid

[gkhouston]

372. Hush you, next we'll have someone telling us they expressed three crates of milk

by hand at Olive Garden. Would give new meaning to the Never Ending Pasta Bowl special...

[Wednesdays]

271. Well, I'm not sure if we're to that point, yet

Remember all those "fallout shelters" in schools and other buildings, back during the Cold War? I don't think they're going to revive those any time soon.

Although, having said that, I think everyone should keep a well-stocked disaster shelter at all times (replace those drinks and cans of food biannually--eww). And no, I'm not being sarcastic, nor am I becoming a paranoid kook. Nuclear radiation is uncommon, but still looms as a possibility, and there are all sorts of other catastrophes that make having such a shelter prudent. Here in the middle of Oklahoma, I'd certainly prefer having something underground to run to, should an F5 tornado head my way!
:scared:

[meow mix]

276. thats the problem, by the time you know... its too late

and fools like those posting above will be trying to loot my stocks to survive.

[LucySky]

281. there is nothing wrong with this OP

if buying milk makes you feel better, then buy milk. i do not think it is necessary, but if you do, that is fine with me.

this thread is like hungry animals coming in for a kill.

[JuniperLea]

282. There is nothing wrong with this post...

If you like pass-agg posts with a dash of condescension.

Why not just let people discuss, vent, worry, commiserate, and share information without going all b**** on their asses?

[LucySky]

285. is that what a lot of these comments are called?

sharing information?

also, i'm not sure what b**** means, but it appears to be a personal attack aimed directly at me. i could be wrong though.

[JuniperLea]

286. I'm going to save us both a lot of grief...

And put you on ignore right now. I have a feeling you will add to my pizza collection.

[LucySky]

287. ok.

[JuniperLea]

283. I'm going shopping tonight...

Canned and dry milk, tuna, canned veggies... don't forget you can drink the liquid in those cans or add it to soup.

I'm thinking in terms of earthquakes too, as I know you are since we share a coast. I need some camping equipment anyway, so I'm going to look at camp stoves and lanterns. I hear there are battery powered lanterns that last a very long time now. I might pick a few up for work too.

[eleny]

289. Speaking of camping supplies...

We got an emergency radio that has a crank to charge it up, a built in solar panel on top and a flashlight on the side with an emergency red flasher.

We got that when we were hit by a micro burst a few summers ago. That storm took out a mature cottonwood tree in our backyard. Things were pretty severe in the neighborhood with power lines down. We had lots of battery powered flashlights of all kinds. But got this one with some banking points since it has the crank charge. I thought you could also charge up a cell phone but can't seem to find that on the radio. Will need to check out the booklet to find it.

[JuniperLea]

291. Great idea!

This is something else I should tuck into emergency supplies at home and the office.

[nadinbrzezinski]

308. Yep I need to top off my quake supplies anyway

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

284. Don't forget the duct tape and plastic wrap!

I mean, you can never be too careful!

[pipi_k]

294. Do they sell that stuff at discount...

on eBay?

I'm thinking of selling my own breast milk there.

[Obamanaut]

292. Kick because it's too good to go to the second page. nt

[Common Sense Party]

297. So, there are two people buying milk.

I guess that's a trend?

[alcibiades_mystery]

299. I'm guessing that you missed the fact that one of them is a...wait for it...wait for it...

NUCLEAR ENGINEER!!!!

If you can't reasonable make an assertion based on your own expertise, just borrow some from the next guy!

:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

306. More than two

the people doing it though HAVE A CLUE that in cows milk the infinitesimal amount will concentrate to an amount where IT MIGHT matter. Operatve word. MIGHT.

It is called a precaution.

[Common Sense Party]

313. I see two in the OP. Is that a trend?

I'm new at this trend-spotting thing.

[Ikonoklast]

339. Not a Historian, I see.

Only Historians posess the dark knowledge of Trend Spotting.

The Ancient Gulid of Historical Seers Of Trends was founded by Nostrildumbass many centuries ago, and membership is limited to those that can solve the eternal mystery of "Who Cut The Cheese?".

[Common Sense Party]

348. .

:rofl:

[Ikonoklast]

350. After correctly predicting "Who Cut The Chees?", the Novice

proceeds directly to the next test, very tricky, very subtle, very dangerous...the dreaded gauntlet of "Pull My Finger" attended by the entire Historian Temple membership.


Strong men weep at the very thought of it.

[Marrah_G]

309. We have powdered milk stored in our store room

along with alot of other dry goods that we canned including sugar, flour, oats, etc. Here's to hoping they never become a necessity.

[hlthe2b]

312. I can understand DUers vigorously debating as always....

but, why the mocking of someone simply stocking up on non-perishables, including long-storage milk as a precaution? :shrug:

Even if nothing had happened in Japan there are lots of reasons to routinely maintain an "emergency" kit of supplies. I don't live in an earthquake prone area, but many do. For me in Colorado, such supplies are sometimes needed to offset power outages from winter storms or spring/summer tornadoes/thunderstorms.

But, even as we direct our concern to those in Japan most directly affected, there is some small possibility for impacts beyond, particularly for Hawaii, Alaska and US west coast, but extremely unlikely elsewhere. Taking that possibility-- however small-- as an impetus to check those routine emergency kits/supplies doesn't seem like such a extreme thing to do. Why are some construing that as panic?

[suffragette]

319. Agree with you, hlthe2b

As a west coaster, this is reminding me to look at what I have on hand, and I always have some basics on hand living here with a sleeping volcano nearby and in an active earthquake zone. Also, there are some helpful posts on this thread. One reminded me that I've been wanting to get a hand crank radio for some time now.
Those posts are great, but the mocking is OTT.

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[suffragette]

334. Like you say

Periodically stock up on certain items anyway.
Always keep sardines and crackers on hand ( reminds me, need to restock crackers) since I can open and eat. No need to heat them. And I snack on them anyway sometimes, so rotate them out - though I do miss the brisling sardines in olive oil. They've changed to canola or something and the flavor took a hit.

My ex-hubbies grandmother grew up poor in Scotland, then went through very tough times in the Depression and always kept lots (way more than I ever do) of non-perishables on hand. She'd been there, gone through that and made sure she and hers wouldn't be there in future. She also had ducks (though she lived in urban Orange County, CA) and yummy, those were good eggs.

But yeah, you seemed to have poked a tender spot on some, way more than merited by your OP to my mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

336. A little into the psych

people who cannot cope go into a shell, and yes denial. So anything that pokes at that blanket makes then react violently.

Me getting that milk, as a precaution is a huge poke into that blankie.

As I said, I get it.

I am just thankful I don't have to deal with it. In dsplacement these are the people in the corner looking onto empty space. yes the ones that get the shelter workers going...PSYCH... there you go

[LynneSin]

314. If there is a concern I would just switch to Soy Milk

:D

[madinmaryland]

326. **snort** I'm stocking up on breast milk!! I hear there is a lot at the Olive Garden!

[BobbyBoring]

315. Milk that lasts??

How long does milk that lasts last and, what makes it last??

Anyone know why we are the only mammal that ingests milk after weening (except cats)?

[hlthe2b]

316. Discussed throughout this thread. UHT milk lasts on shelf a year

Canned condensed and powdered milk likely last even longer.

UHT milk is that pasteurized using ultra high temps and packaged in tetrapak containers.

[in_cog_ni_to]

317. Where do you get milk that lasts for month? Besides the powdered milk?

Our milk usually has a 2 week (if we're lucky) expiration date and then 1 week beyond that it's sour. What kind of milk are you buying? Carnation evaporated? I may be making a trip to the grocer...just to be safe.

[hlthe2b]

320. See posts #156, 169, 3, 11, 32, 77, 38, 59,94

Parmalot is the brand of UHT milk most available, though expensive. Can be stored unopened on shelf for a year.

[in_cog_ni_to]

328. Thanks. I did finally read the thread

and found the info. I've never heard of this stuff before now. It's good to know it's available.

[hlthe2b]

330. Someone said they find it occasionally at the discount warehouses...

I presume they mean costco and Sam's.... I have not seen it at Costco, but boy, I will keep an eye out. I love having a couple of quarts on hand, but it is expensive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

333. My mom buys it at cosco in Mexico

that is all that is available at home... and down there it is about par in cost to the stuff at the grocers. That said they also sell it at the grocers, It is widely available down there,

In mexico the brand is permalat

[gkhouston]

373. I've seen the individual serving size boxes of Horizon at Costco, but I don't recall

having seen the larger boxes of Parmalat. Then again, I haven't looked for it. I buy powdered milk for hurricane season, because I end up using it in bread.

[meow mix]

344. lol nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

321. Tetra Pak, milk

it is packed in a container, like soup. It lasts anywhere from six months to a year... and it taste the same.

It needs to go into the fridge once you open it.

Horizon has them, so does Hershey... and of course Permalat,

[in_cog_ni_to]

329. Thank you! n/t

[suffragette]

332. Look for it in the aisle that has powdered or evaporated milk

Much better taste than those.

It will last a long time in your cupboard, though once you open it, you need to refrigerate it.
As I said elsewhere, came in very handy when I lived in Germany since we had a small fridge.
And the price there was not as high as it is for it here.

[librechik]

322. I gave up milk long ago. Thank you, Thom Hartmann!

fortunately my family loves almond milk, our delicious substitute. And less strontium 90

[hlthe2b]

325. 'tried soy, rice, and various nut and coconut milks....

They are all ok on occasion. But when I want a latte, I need the real deal. 'Don't really drink it otherwise. ;)

[librechik]

338. I admit I'm still a sucker for sour cream (occasionally)

we all have our weaknesses! (Gave up coffee, too!)

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[Obamanaut]

345. Acchh! Hoarding! nt

[Lucinda]

352. I assume they can buy the other kinds of milk for sale at the store

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

371. You do realize that there is plenty of fresh milk

at the store right now... and that has never run short right?

Actually I have tried to share THIS KNOWLEDGE, which republicans would never do. Not only here, but with the people around where I LIVE,

By the way kid, personal attacks are a no-no, not that this matters.

You will be alerted, see if the slumber party is over, and on ignore.

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[Obamanaut]

351. +1 nt

[Blue-Jay]

355. Interesting. Please go on.

I'm not a big fan of milk, but I like cows.

[Johonny]

356. No the expert on Rachel Maddow said not crazy

the most likely way to uptake radioactive iodine he said was to avoid milk products. Of course I think cesium is the number 1 problem for the small amount getting to the US. But you might take a few weeks off from milk I guess. As he said, it is likely more effective than those iodine pills and easy to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

368. I was like chucking at that

[dkf]

357. Thanks for the info.

Can't believe you are getting grief on this. Please keep posting.

[Prometheus Bound]

359. Stocking up now seems reasonable.

Stocking up later if things got really bad would be considered hoarding, so better to buy bulk now.

We see that happening here in Hong Kong with Japanese powdered milk. People still don't trust Chinese milk since the melamine scandal so they've been buying Japanese milk formula. Now with there being some doubt about future Japanese powdered milk the shelves were emptied immediately and the stores had to start limiting purchases.

Radiation fears cause rush for Japanese milk formula
Ng Yuk-hang and Amy Nip
Updated on Mar 16, 2011

Customers in Hong Kong queued to buy Japanese milk formula and other food products yesterday in a rush to beat the potential effects of radiation contamination.

...About 700 people lined up outside a Japanese baby food shop in Prince Edward yesterday morning.

Each customer was allowed to buy no more than eight cans, but the stock was sold out by midday. One man who queued for 45 minutes with his two children, aged two and four, left with his full quota of 24 cans.

He said: "The milk formula that will arrive later might be contaminated. I worry that it will affect my children's health."

Bonjour Cosmetics, which also imports Japanese milk formula, said sales soared over the weekend.

Between Friday and Sunday, over 40,000 cans were sold in the city.
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[nadinbrzezinski]

369. From cashiers today

since stocks are running low. The people who are stocking up on it here, are military or ex military.

Tetra milk is almost gone... from one brand.

And dry milk is short.

[girl gone mad]

374. This would be a worst case scenario..

but I'm not sure why you were being mocked for wanting to prepare for the worst after we've just witnessed several worst case scenario events come to pass.

[nadinbrzezinski]

375. and if nothing else I stocked up for a quake

and have milk for a few months.

:-)

In quake country it never hurts to have food.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

376. not to make light, but when you mention an old captain, i picture you buying milk with this guy