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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:00 PM Original message |
How a family of four making $50,000 a year pays no federal income taxes. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. So who then pays taxes? |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. We'll be paying |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Same here |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. We chose to have children, but they are no longer dependents |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
54. The reason this happened was to keep Christian Conservatives happy |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Agreed. Singles take it where the sun does not shine under US tax code. |
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bbinacan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. According to IRS tables |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. according to irs tables, in 2007 the top 50% of individual filers took 69.9% of all income. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
56. As long as the income disparity is so wide they will continue to. You make most of the income, you |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. They do, actually. |
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lefthandedlefty (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Trucking companies |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. in 2007, individual filers making under 32.4k were taxed at an average rate of 13+%, |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Further tax breaks in 2008 and on helped. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. look, you don't get it. that's 38% of HOUSEHOLDS, not 38% of TAX FILERS. |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Penalties for being child-free and single |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. I know I had more disposable income when I was child-free and single. nt |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Blame it on the Conservatives and blue dogs |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yeah... and? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. The advantage of the Bush/Obama tax cuts to the middle/lower classes is that |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. Actually lower income folks are going to see a slight increase |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Or they may see less of a payout from the Federal Government. . |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. Why should they? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Because they derive some good from the federal gov., they should |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. They are paying their fair share. Federal income taxes is just one small portion of taxation. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. What, no outcry for them to pay their 'fair share'? No federal income tax liability at |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Where do you get this idea there is "no tax liability"? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. That is precisely why I edited the post to read "federal tax liability" as soon as I |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Which is an utterly meaningless statistic. |
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Chemical Bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. I hate it when income taxes are examined in a vacuum. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. And remember, most of those taxes are deductable if you itemize |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. In 2007 the 70 million individual filers making under $32.4K paid income taxes at an average rate of |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Why is the IRS so behind in calculating these numbers for 2008 and 2009? |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I don't get this "not very different " |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. um, because $458K is 1431% higher than 32K? and the tax increase is 53%? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Tax code has always taxes at a fraction of a % for every $1,000 of income. |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. if the tax increase was 1431% |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Agree. nt. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. it's insignificant in terms of historical rates. in 1994 the top effective rate was 26%. |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Great |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. it's insignificant. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Don't forget about the drop in capital gains, most of which benefits the wealthy |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. the stats = total effective rate (includes cap gains) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. dupe |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. To paraphrase... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. i don't think you know what 1431% v. 50% means. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. as a single guy making much less, I am not happy about it |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Those "other people's kids" will one day be paying your Social Security. You should be kissing their |
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WestSeattle2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
68. Providing them with a free K-12 education isn't enough?! Each |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I have always viewed tax credits and workplace privileges for |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
58. Politics and math. Conservatives "values" along with huge income disparity |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. Remember, throughout the year they are paying federal taxes on their pay |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. If they pay a small amount in increments to get a larger return, or a larger |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
30. I have never grossed 50k in my life and I have NET paid EVERY YEAR of my life that I worked. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. I don't know what system would work. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Yeah, some folks are too focused on eating regularly and decently or having a place to sleep. |
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Foo Fighter (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. No, don't you get it? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. The fly in the ointment when it comes to "tax-talk" is this.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. one of the docs i work with was an anti-tax winger. he went to denmark in a |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. appreciate your rational explanation |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. Some of the 'services' we get are lots of tanks and bombs |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
39. We are on SSDI and also work part time |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
61. My son is in the same position; I understand completely. |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
42. I'm strongly opposed to this |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. they probably pay at least $4000 in FICA and maybe a few thousand in state income/property taxes |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
55. Depending on where you live that ranges from not a lot to almost poverty. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
62. $50,000 is at the bottom of the middle class where I live |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. median means half the families of four make more, half make less. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I've never in my life seen middle class defined in terms of median income |
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