Should more should be done for humane livestock treatment?

[CommonSensePLZ]

http://www.meatvideo.com

NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH (but everyone should see this and share it).

That's one of DU's affilates or something that was in an ad. I could only stomach 1:15 minutes. :(

[Deep13]

1. Probably. We can start by not subsidizing livestock industries. nt

[get the red out]

4. Very good idea

The worst food production practices for both human and animal health seem to be subsidized.

[ixion]

2. the way livestock animals are treated is horrible in my opinion...

:(

[LaurenG]

3. Absolutely and the easiest way around this would be to stop eating meat

or raise your own. :shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

5. All animals eaten for meat eventually must be killed.

Until that ends, certain people will be unhappy.

[ret5hd]

6. Yes, because that necessitates us doing things in the worst possible manner.

If you can't make EVERYONE happy, piss off as many as you can!

This attitude can be used for ANY situation: power generation, raising food, economic systems, etc etc etc. It's so fun!

[Buzz Clik]

11. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

When sarcasm cirlces back on itself, the message gets lost.

[ret5hd]

15. Of course you are.

[Buzz Clik]

16. Thanks for clearing it up.

[LaurenG]

17. best subthread I've read in a while

:rofl:

[PVnRT]

42. That's not what he said

[CommonSensePLZ]

7. Everything dies eventually, no reason to torture to that point

Humane treatment and slaughter methods of livestock I don't think is asking too much.

[Buzz Clik]

12. Agreed.

[CommonSensePLZ]

8. Definitely, but

I'd love to go vegan, I plan on trying it someday. But I still think that for the, sigh, majority of the world that will never adopt vegetarianism or ignorantly mocks it, the animals they will eat should still be treated better.

And I definitely don't have the money or space to grow my own livestock or the coldness to do it, neither do most people. It's easy to eat mean when you don't see video like this.

[LaurenG]

14. I am vegan and the way I look at this is that each person must take responsibility for

their choices.

Most people have no idea how their food is handled prior to them eating it but animal lovers would be very disturbed by it. I think having to butcher your own would also be a huge incentive not to eat it as well.

I realized when I was eight that the meat I was enjoying once lived as a chicken. It was very disturbing and I tried not to think about it since my dad had been a farmer who raised sheep and chickens and he thought I was a big idiot for crying at dinner.

I know myself well enough to know that if I had ever raised a cow or sheep or chicken that there would be no way I could kill it for food unless it meant my or my family's lives.

I look at it like eating the family pet which is a horrible thought. I also hate the thought that animals would be tortured and scared for me to eat, thus I don't eat them.

Lots of people are going "meatless Mondays" which is a great idea. Maybe just start very slowly and I'm really glad that you care enough to even watch that.

[iris27]

9. Yes. n/t

[nc4bo]

10. Not to sound dismissive...

If human beings would learn how to treat other human beings more humanely, maybe we will have the capacity to treat our livestock better.

Empathy was always in short supply on this beautiful planet.

[CommonSensePLZ]

21. Agreed. /nt

[shockra]

22. It's the other way around.

Dr. Albert Schweitzer M.D. (Philosopher, medical missionary, Nobel Peace Prize 1952) - "Until he extends his circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace."

Pythagoras (Philosopher and Mathematician) - "As long as man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love”

Albert Einstein (Physicist) - "If a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals."

Sefer Ha Chinuch (Mitzvah 596) - "When a man becomes accustomed to have pity upon animals <. . .> his soul will likewise grow accustomed to be kind to human beings.”

Count Leo Tolstoy - "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."

[CrawlingChaos]

25. Great post (n/t)

[lonestarnot]

13. Just stop eatting it. You can pet it, just don't eat it.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

18. Watch the movie "Temple Grandin".

Temple Grandin is a lady who has designed humane pens for cattle to reduce their distress. She is autistic and related to animals better than to people, and figured out what would calm the cattle. She pointed out that if the animals are not scared, they do not get injured.

[superduperfarleft]

23. Seems to me that if Grandin were able to "relate" to animals as she claims to do,

she'd realize that maybe they don't want to be killed and eaten in the first place. :shrug:

[Critters2]

30. Exactly. My brother has Asperger's and has no interest in helping

the corrupt meat industry kill animals. Grandin is an embarrassment to those with Asperger.

[Critters2]

29. I get so sick of that animal killer being presented as some saint!

If she REALLY empathized with animals, she'd try to protect them from slaughter, not facilitate their deaths.

That movie was one long advertisement for the meat industry!

[Turborama]

19. Am I the only one who read it as "Should more should be done for human livestock treatment?"

Soylent Green came to mind when I read it.

[CommonSensePLZ]

20. Crap! xO /nt

[CommonSensePLZ]

24. Bumping the thread that started it all. ~nt

[shockra]

26. I got through all 5 minutes of this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88KPtixijuo

Warning: trippy :hippie:

[CommonSensePLZ]

27. Very nice!

Lovely message. We don't need to eat the animals, I agree, but then again I'm a pragmatist, and even though there's so freaking many healthy alternatives, people always will, so I say we may as well just treat the livestock better than what was shown in that video ugh! (now let's see if any of DU's know-it-alls once again misconstrues that as an attack on their stupid eating habits.)

But this one is PURE trippiness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY

[Countdown_3_2_1]

28. Sorry. I don't care about livestock treatment.

Good treatment, bad treatment...it all tastes the same next to the mashed potatoes.

Sad stories like this will change no one's table habits. These animals are harvested for food. Yes, they will be killed. Its not gonna stop. It's a fact of modern life.

Vegans made their choice. Great. Now please spare me the "meat is murder" fantasy and accept diversity: accept that most people will not agree with you (and that they are free to eat or not eat meat). Thank you.

And one more thing. This rant is not directed at anyone on this thread or at DU. This is a result of having to deal with my vegan-nazi sister. She has never been able to accept that people are allowed to disagree with her.

(and she's a cigarette-nazi too. Seriously. She could be in a spaceship looking down at earth. If she saw someone smoking, she would start coughing. I love her, but I can only take her in small doses.)

[CommonSensePLZ]

37. This is NOT about telling people what they can and cannot eat

Watch the video. Sure they will be killed, but that does NOT mean any person has a right to abuse them like this. By that argument I might as well throw someone in hospice, or YOU over a cliff.

What does it matter? You're just gonna die anyway.

[flvegan]

40. You don't care?

Got ANY empathy or compassion in that body of yours, or will you blame your lack on your sister as well?

[AtomicKitten]

31. The cruelty of factory framing is truly disgusting.

[undeterred]

36. And so is the cruelty of factory farming.

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

38. Yes indeed.

[SOS]

32. Interesting study from National Geographic

The Seventh Day Adventists live a very healthful life.
They don't drink, don't smoke, exercise regularly, take one full day a week for rest and
are vegetarians.
The study found that they live ten years longer than the average American.

Giving up meat entirely (along with the other positive behaviors) would
reduce animal suffering and add many years to your life.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/sights_n_sounds/index.html

[Ignis]

33. Same as it ever was, since Sinclair's _The_Jungle_.

But you're right: Something should be done.

Unfortunately, we value private profits over the general good. Especially when it's "only" animals.

Thanks for this post. :thumbsup:

[undeterred]

34. Boycott meat.

[Maru Kitteh]

35. absolutely!

[RebelOne]

39. I do not want to watch it since I am a vegetarian

and I can just imagine what is on the video.

[CommonSensePLZ]

41. Good choice

:puke:

[PVnRT]

43. Yes