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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:54 PM
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US Government Calls Indigenous Resistance of 1800s: “Much Like Modern-Day al Qaeda”
by Vincent Warren / March 17th, 2011

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) issued a statement today concerning the hearing before the United States Court of Military Commission Review in United States v. Al Bahlul, scheduled for March 17, 2011. Al Bahlul is the first appeal of a Guantánamo military commission conviction to proceed before the Court of Military Commission Review. The case is notable because, in essence, it is a conviction in desperate search of supporting war crimes. But it’s also notable for the ahistorical and racist rhetoric in the government briefs that suggest equivalency between Native Americans resisting US take over of their homelands and al Qaeda. If you were to ask the Seminoles, I suspect they would say that the greatest threat to their homeland security during the 1800′s was in fact the US Government. It’s appalling that the Obama administration has abandoned it’s pledge to close Guantanamo. But it’s intolerable that it would invoke and distort one of the darkest moments in American history to justify its failure. Here’s the CCR statement:

Mr. Bahlul has been imprisoned at Guantánamo for nearly a decade. After two presidential administrations, one Supreme Court decision, two acts of Congress, three sets of charges, a trial that concluded more than two years ago, appellate proceedings that began more than a year ago, a reshuffling of the Court of Military Commission Review, and a decision to hear the appeal en banc, the government has all but conceded that the offenses for which Mr. Bahlul was originally convicted before a military commission – conspiracy, solicitation and providing material support for terrorism – were not established law-of-war offenses under U.S. or international law at the time they were allegedly committed.

The court appears to recognize this as well, because on January 25, 2011, it issued certified questions on its own and ordered the parties to address whether Mr. Bahlul’s conviction can nonetheless be supported under a “joint criminal enterprise” theory of liability, or on the ground that he “aided the enemy,” despite the fact that he owed no duty or allegiance to the United States. These questions are the subject of tomorrow’s hearing.

The court’s action is highly irregular because the government expressly withdrew reliance on a “joint criminal enterprise” theory of liability and never argued a charge of “aiding the enemy” at Mr. Bahlul’s commission trial. Common sense also dictates that attempting to justify a life sentence for an alleged “enemy” who owes no duty or allegiance to the United States because he “aided the enemy” is legal bootstrapping.

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The court should also reject the government’s notable reliance on the “Seminole Wars” of the 1800s, a genocide that led to the Trail of Tears. The government’s characterization of Native American resistance to the United States as “much like modern-day al Qaeda” is not only factually wrong but overtly racist, and cannot present any legitimate legal basis to uphold Mr. Bahlul’s conviction.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/us-government-calls-indigenous-resistance-of-1800s-%E2%80%9Cmuch-like-modern-day-al-qaeda%E2%80%9D/

Vincent Warren is the Executive Director of the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), a national legal and educational organization dedicated to advancing and defending the rights guaranteed by the United States Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.You can follow him on Twitter: @VinceWarren.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:56 PM
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1. Wow, talk about an epic fail...
...more like completely fucking clueless...
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:59 PM
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2. What a bunch of shit
Not the post but the government's position on Native Americans........
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:00 PM
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3. ...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:15 PM
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4. I have one of those shirts.
:)
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:17 PM
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5. They're great!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:33 PM
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8. Like they were trying to impose their religious views on Europeans.
Geronimo tried to make friends with the 'Norte Americanos' because they had a common enemy in Mexico, but our 'Leaders' with their view of Manifest Destiny, decided the Apache were in the way of 'Progress' and had to either be assimilated or killed.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:44 PM
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9. Where did I say that they were?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:21 PM
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11. I was being sarcastic
No reflection on you. :hi:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:01 PM
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14. OK. lol
Sorry about that! :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:21 PM
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18. OT, have you seen this?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:18 PM
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6. K&R
WOW.

What a fucked up thing to say.

In addition to what's already fucked up about the "war on terror" and the cases involved....just fucked up from start...to whatever finish.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:12 PM
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16. And to think I couldn't wait until the BushCo Justice Department was pink slipped.
#StupidThingsIThinkAtMyAge
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:20 PM
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7. Instead of being terrorists, those ingrate native peoples should have gracefully given away their
land.

Because, after all, imperialists are by definition SUPERIOR.

I wish I wasn't part of this country. :nuke:
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:57 PM
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10. Comparing members of Al Qaeda to Englishmen is ... racist?

"The Arbuthnot and Ambrister incident occurred in 1818 during the First Seminole War when American General Andrew Jackson invaded Spanish Florida and captured and executed two British subjects charged with aiding Seminole and Creek Indians against the United States. Jackson's actions triggered short-lived protests from the British and Spanish governments and an investigation by the United States Congress. Congressional reports found fault with Jackson's handling of the trial and execution of Alexander George Arbuthnot and Robert C. Ambrister, but Congress chose not to censure the popular general."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbuthnot_and_Ambrister_incident


I suspect that Congress would find fault today!


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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:43 PM
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12. I would hope that the judge in question
would give these fools a serious smackdown in open court for having the colossal gall to make such an absurd comparison.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:46 PM
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13. ok --- that was just
:crazy:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:07 PM
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15. It seems to be the bedrock attitude of the part of the political establishment
that deals with furriners at any level. They are all cowboys in an "Indian fight".

I loaded a video today, a short interview with the guy that ran CIA Latin America in the early 80s. That means, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, all of that.

And he's still :crazy: after all these years. All he needs is a Stetson and a six shooter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x564287

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:14 PM
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17. With that sort of thinking in mind, perhaps it would be wise to reevaluate our view of al Qaeda
If the government to this day takes such a view of native Americans in history then odds are they are off base on al Qaeda too.
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