This "no-fly-zone" euphemism is just bullshit. What this is is a decision to go to war against Lybia

[howard112211]

Who in their right mind thinks that Ghaddafi forces will simply stop flying planes because they are told so? They will ignore a "no-fly-zone", which means there will be measures to enforce it, which means they will take this as a declaration of war and retaliate.

I really doubt that this is a good idea. The situation in Lybia is way past "protesters being gunned down". We are talking about a full fledged civil war, with both sides employing tanks, aircraft and artillery. I doubt that there is anything good that can come from an US involvement.

edit: Let's cut through the crap and call things as they are. What is being debated is whether the US should help overthrow Ghaddafi by force. It is as plain and simple as "go to war or not go to war". This "no-fly-zone" talk is just the biggest load of crap.

[dipsydoodle]

1. I think they will stop flying

but use more tanks.

In years to come there will be blowback from any form of intervention.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

2. NFZ may trigger a wave of defections from Qaddafi's security apparatus. nt

[KeepItReal]

3. Agreed. Right now pilots are given choice between flying for Qaddafi or taking a bullet.

eom

[Adsos Letter]

4. Libya.

It's Libya.

[TheWraith]

5. A declaration of war BY WHOM?

In case no one noticed, the vote was the UN Security Council, not the Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs.

[former9thward]

20. The U.S. pushed it through.

The UN has no air force or navy to enforce the zone. The heavy lifting will be on the shoulders of the U.S.

[Raksha]

23. The U.S. did NOT push it through!

The U.S. has been extremely ambivalent, dragging its feet on the no-fly zone and giving mixed signals for about two weeks now--including earlier today if I'm not mistaken.

[former9thward]

25. Yesterday, even before the vote, our UN ambassador , Susan Rice

said we were considering other military action besides the no fly zone. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-libya-resolution-20110317,0,3437856.story The U.S. could have stopped this new war cold because of its veto power.

[FLAprogressive]

28. Sorry. Try again, it was the UK and France.

[krabigirl]

6. Yep. nt

[al_liberal]

7. Saber rattling.

I'm hoping that the plan is to use the muscle of the US to get this thing through the UN and then let France, Italy, and the UK actually enforce it. Those countries, more than anyone else, have expressed the greatest interest in this whole "no fly zone" thing.

Like I said, I'm hoping.

[razorman]

8. There is no way to enforce a "no-fly" zone without committing an act of war.

[readmoreoften]

9. +1. How long before the "freedom fighters" are "enemy combatants"

we can only guess.

[Berserker]

11. Sure there is

the asshole can stop killing his people.

[anneboleyn]

14. Yes. Maybe not, but this looks like war #3 to me?

Argh.

[Tx4obama]

10. A no-fly zone does NOT mean we tell them to only stop flying, it means we 1st bomb their planes

so that they can not fly.

From the BBC....

... the first strikes will be unilateral ones by British and French aircraft. They could be in the air within hours. It is likely five Arab air forces will take part. Hillary Clinton has said it will mean bombing Libyan air defences. Nato will step up if asked but could take a while.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4776057

[joshcryer]

12. lol

[roamer65]

13. You have to draw the line somewhere.

We did with Hitler on Poland. We just drew the line with this murderous bastard.

[Zynx]

15. I certainly hope so.

We need to stop a massacre. Allowing it to happen is inhuman.

[JBoy]

16. It's a declaration of military action by all the signatories of the UN charter.

In accordance with the charter they all signed. Including Libya.

[stevenleser]

17. Actually, there is a lot wrong with what you wrote. The UN Security Council voted. Not the US AND

it looks like the French and UK'ers along with 5 arab countries will be the primary folks executing the NFZ, at least at first.

[former9thward]

22. Not according to our UN ambassador, Susan Rice.

She says the U.S. is weighing military operations beyond the no-fly zone. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-libya-resolution-20110317,0,3437856.story

[sarcasmo]

18. When they say UN, they really mean the United States World Police.

More war and they think social security is the problem, stop the INSANITY!

[pitohui]

19. the UN made this decision, we held back & let the world take the lead

5 minutes ago, DU was bitching that obama didn't no fly libya and instead went thru the process

the UN made a decision and libya is no-fly'd

this process is working as it should, i may not agree w. it then again to be honest i don't have enough information either way

going on gut, it seems obama is doing the right thing

yes, there is a war, there has been a war for some weeks now whether you want to acknowledge it or not

[Tiggeroshii]

21. Is that why they stopped their advance to Benghazi and are discussing a cease-fire?

...possibly making any enforcement unnecessary? Yep. Nothing good came of it at all :eyes:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/un-security-council-votes-to-approve-no-fly-zone-over-libya/story-fn7ycml4-1226023883418

[meow mix]

24. Unrec, go rebels.

[Adsos Letter]

26. What meow mix said.

[Lasher]

27. The neocons are delighted.

Lieberman and McCain are taking their comedy act on the road again.

[Rex]

29. No, FIRST it is no-fly zones THEN it is war.

See Iraq. Three fronts, four fronts...wow, I tell ya our troops work their asses off. That is some hardcore forced marching. I don't know WHY, but I just can't get mad at Obama about this...this seems, right. I dunno. First time in awhile that actually killing on a massive scale might bring about something good. Iraq, no. Afghanistan, don't kid. But HEY why just HIM? Why not North Korea or some of the warlords in lawless city states?

+1 for all those military professionals stuck pulling 5 years in Iraq and then getting shipped off to Lybia...you have my respect, good luck.

We kill the people we don't like.

Proven fact.

We abuse our military to the point of impossibility and then expect them to go to ANOTHER front. How many fronts do we have now? Don't forget the war on drugs AND the war on terror.

Just rambling, sorry.

EDIT - DO I need the :sarcasm: for parts or can people tell? I never know.

[Distant Observer]

30. It's a LICENSE TO KILL LIBYANS long distance, without any negative news coverage

I am sure all the Libyans who die at or near their air defense or radar installations DESERVE to be killed by righteous Westerners.

No need to see the dead bodies, or ask what the did to deserve death.