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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:37 AM Original message |
Can Congress Make You Buy Broccoli? And Why That?s a Hard Question |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. at least i could afford to buy broccoli. n/t |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. for now... |
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greymattermom (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. can congress require a business to provide services free? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The money for hospitals has to go through insurance companies because why? n/t |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Yes they are required to provide emergency care - by LAW |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Mentioning yet another flaw in our society---private hospitals for profit---does not diminish the |
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iamtechus (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. The government can't make you buy broccoli because ... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Insurance companies are intermediaries between patients and hospitals because why? n/t |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. If that is so obvious then why did Barack Obama campaign against mandatory health insurance |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. And furthermore... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. You still don't "have to" buy insurance after 2014 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. health insurance is NOT health care |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Incredibly flawed argument. There is no constitutional right for private health-insurance companies |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. If what you are saying is true, why didn't the rates go down? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. The whole idea is that rates will go down. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Too bad insurance doesn't actually give us health CARE n/t |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
46. It's the liberal version of "Welfare Queen" and it's disgusting. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. One could say that eating crappy food instead of healthy food does result in someone else paying. |
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lepus (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. Before the government mandates private healthcare insurance |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Freeloader? I don't think so. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. And Congress can subsidize and promote certain uses of land, |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. You touch my broccoli I'll have you arrested. n/t |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. No, because broccoli is not necessary |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Neither is having a person purchase healthcare insurance. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
60. Actually it is |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. A mandate isn't necessary to banning discrimination but rather supposedly to prevent |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Are you joking? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Nope. Certainly health care nor the Constitution require the criminal insurance cartel |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. "criminal insurance cartel" |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. LOL! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. No it isn't. Private companies push pencils only (for traditional Medicare) n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
15. There really isn't a need for a mandate, but there was a need for spine. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Your introductory dependent clause is where the true Democratic argument should lie: IF. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. That's what developed countries providing universal care through private insuance do |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
21. Congress isn't making you buy health insurance |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Don't use your so called 'facts' and 'logic' here... |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. So if you can't afford insurance, they take extra money from you to give to the insurance corps |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. That is not what Recursion said n/t |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. If you don't buy it, they take your money. It is exactly what he said |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. What happens if you don't pay the tax? |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You end up without health care and lots more problems n/t |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. No, what are the *penalties* for not paying the tax? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Well your wages could get garnished |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Not if we reach the efficiency of delivery of a number of other nations.. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Um. No |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. The govenrment will only buy you SHITTY insurance that you can't afford to use n/t |
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BlackHoleSon (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. That sounds like Socialism |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. That's dogma |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. When liberals talk about "freeloaders" they sound like conservatives too. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Now your argument has moved from demonstrating constitutionality to efficiency? |
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BlackHoleSon (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Intent is not dogma |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. It's fact. Otherwise, how do you explain per capital costs in other countries |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. It's not a "tax". It's a "fine". The only people who are not going to purchase health insurance |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Seriously? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. They don't receive a subsidy, they receive a tax credit to purchase health insurance ............. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. Nothing is more useless than a tax credit to people who don't pay much in income tax n/t |
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Gravel Democrat (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
59. For the supporters of this abomination... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. They aren't really making people buy insurance. |
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Paranoid Pessimist (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. Forcible Broccolli -- Everything Not Prohibited is Mandatory n /t |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
57. Are we talking state or federal government? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
61. And just because: I LOVE BROCCOLI! I must've eaten a pound of it yesterday. So mandate away! ;-) |
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