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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 01:59 PM
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TEPCO Director Weeps After Disclosing Truth About Fukushima Disaster
TEPCO Director Weeps After Disclosing Truth About Fukushima Disaster
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/18/2011 14:13 -0400

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The Daily Mail has released a dramatic picture showing the emotional exhaustion of TEPCO managing director Akoi Komiri who is openly weeping as he leaves a conference to brief journalists on the true situation at Fukushima, following his acknowledgment that the radiation spewing from the over-heating reactors and fuel rods was enough to kill some citizens. "A senior Japanese minister also admitted that the country was overwhelmed by the scale of the tsunami and nuclear crisis. He said officials should have admitted earlier how serious the radiation leaks were. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said: 'The unprecedented scale of the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan, frankly speaking, were among many things that happened that had not been anticipated under our disaster management contingency plans." This is precisely as Zero Hedge had expected would happen all along, following our recurring allegations of a massive cover up by the Japanese government. And furthermore as we predicted a week ago when we said that continued government lies and subversions would make the situation untenable once the population loses faith in the government, this is precisely what has happened.

A contrite Komiri crying after he discloses the truth:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/tepco-director-weeps-after-disclosing-truth-about-fukushima-disaster
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:11 PM
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1. Finally...a statement I can believe. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:39 PM
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7. Report from the UK tabloid "The Daily Mail," is your source of choice?
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 02:47 PM by Hannah Bell
You really think they're on the cutting edge of breaking news in Japan?

In fact, this is their spin on a press conference that occurred a while ago, which was reported by other media. They took those reports & spun them.

They didn't get Komori's name right even.


"Under Dacre, the Mail has a reputation for a conservative editorial stance on topics such as immigration, working women and teenage sex. This has led Julie Burchill to nickname it "The Daily Hate".<11> Science writer Ben Goldacre of The Guardian has described the paper as "the home of the scare story",<12> and it has been accused by Johann Hari of The Independent of causing the deaths of children, because of "faith-based thinking" in its reporting of the MMR vaccine controversy.<13> Nick Davies, writing in New Statesman, accuses the paper of routine inaccuracy in reporting issues related to immigration, quoting a former reporter as saying: "you knew that the headline had been written before the story came in and your job was to make the facts fit".<14>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail


Here is the statement from that press conference:

We would like to express our great regret at the loss of people by the
Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyo-Oki Earthquake occurred on March 11, and our deep
sympathy to the people and their families suffering damage.

Besides, we would like to make our deep apologies for concern and nuisance
about the incident of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station and the
leakage of radioactive substances to the people living in the surrounding
area of the power station, the people of Fukushima Prefecture, and the
people of society.

Currently TEPCO has jointly established the Joint Headquarters for
Response for the Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyo-Oki Earthquake (Head: Prime
Minister Naoto Kan) and endeavored to prevent further damages and secure
the safety of our facilities as early as possible. In order to strengthen
our response, we will appoint Vice President Norio Tuzumi and Manageing
Director Akio Komori to station at Fukushima City and J Village
respectively from March 22, 2011.

Vice President Tuzumi will direct to collect voices from the people of
living in the surrounding area of the power station and the people of
Fukushima Prefecture regarding the incident of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear
Power Station, etc. Managing Director Komori will direct to prevent
further damages and secure the safety of Fukushima Daiichi and Daini
Nuclear Power Stations as early as possible.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031806-e.html


And I would be crying too after having all that on my shoulders for a week. The fact that there's a picture of Komori crying doesn't mean he's crying for the reasons the Daily Mail says. The photo was not captioned in that way anywhere else but the Mail.












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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:12 PM
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15. Well, I'll tell you this: I searched these websites: BBC, NHK, CNN,
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 03:13 PM by snappyturtle
MSNBC, Reuters, etc. and found NO mention of this story. I figured Daily Mail was just ahead of the pack. You know, don't you, that sometimes even out tabloids get the story our first. I'd love to know where else you saw the photo.....

AND, I wrote that this statement was one which I can finally believe in because I think we've gotten a lot of mixed messages, slow coverage and no coverage over the whole nuclear situation in Japan. I won't be surprised to learn, down the road a bit, that the Daily Mail is closer to the truth on this than any of the other "news" we're being fed. Frankly, I can't believe you'd cite TEPCO!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:41 PM
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25. here, i'll give you some links. maybe you can't find it because the "daily mail" got komori's name
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 04:35 PM by Hannah Bell
wrong; that's the level of their journalistic excellence.


http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Tokyo-Electric-Power-Co-Managing-Director-Akio-Komori-second-right/photo//110318/481/urn_publicid_ap_org_a5466722f9f74bf596d81f52f8e89cd7//s:/ap/20110318/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8390592/Japan-observes-a-minute-of-silence-as-the-search-for-missing-people-goes-on.html?image=9


Meanwhile, at a press conference around 10 a.m. Friday TEPCO officials said that repair crews had laid a 930-meter cable from the electricity grid and were making preparations to connect it to a temporary distribution panel. From that panel they would connect power to the No. 2 reactor building transformer and later the No. 1 reactor building transformer. Since last Friday's earthquake and tsunami, the power plant has been relying on backup generators and batteries.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/japan-attacks-reactors-with-water-lays-power-lines-to-stricken-plant

http://www.kvoa.com/news/japan-official-disasters-overwhelmed-government/

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031808-e.html

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../tepco-press-conference-li_47441202882162689 .html

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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:22 PM
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52. I went to all of YOUR links, well, except for Huff.Post (Pg. not found)
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 09:16 PM by snappyturtle
and the stories were all about identical. All were more centered on the gov't. excuses of Mother Nature and woe is me type of defense than with the messenger, Komori. Actually, the Daily Mail, didn't do a bad job and included an interesting photo none of the other sources did. The pictures of Komori in all sources are AP releases as is probably, the text, now that I've read them all....except for the press release of TEPCO which I found somewhat arrogant. As far as the misspelling of Komori's name...I can forgive that because it's a simple typo...adjacent letters on a keyboard and had no trouble searching the slight misspelling. Still got what I wanted. Thank you Google!

Originally, I simply made a statement about what I read and expressed my pleasure, more or less. If you don't like a source maybe you should address your grievance to the OP. In summation, I feel as if I'm on trial for reading the Daily Mail, unless present, you don't know Komori's exact words of his apology. NO source quoted him and in the case of KVOA, he was only mentioned at the bottom of the article under "pictured". The 'spectrum' source: his name didn't appear!

EDIT:


"The boss of the company behind the devastated Japanese nuclear reactor today broke down in tears - as his country finally acknowledged the radiation spewing from the over-heating reactors and fuel rods was enough to kill some citizens

Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency admitted that the disaster was a level 5, which is classified as a crisis causing 'several radiation deaths' by the UN International Atomic Energy.
Officials said the rating was raised after they realised the full extent of the radiation leaking from the plant. They also said that 3 per cent of the fuel in three of the reactors at the Fukushima plant had been severely damaged, suggesting those reactor cores have partially melted down.
After Tokyo Electric Power Company Managing Director Akio Komiri cried as he left a conference to brief journalists on the situation at Fukushima, a senior Japanese minister also admitted that the country was overwhelmed by the scale of the tsunami and nuclear crisis."


I can see how the Daily Mail 'spun' their report.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367684/Nuclear-plant-chief-weeps-Japanese-finally-admit-radiation-leak-kill-people.html#ixzz1H0WP4U99






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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Direct me please, Hannah Bell
To the cutting edge.

Fugg that. This is a disaster of unprecedented circumstances. So many different articles contradict each other from ALL sources. We have a montage of pictures though that can give even a layperson a view of how grim the situation actually is.

Why do you think he is crying?? Perhaps, he just lost his whole investment portfolio.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:19 PM
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29. he's crying because he's under great stress & shame. the fact that he's
crying does not negate the fact that the daily mail is a tabloid that spun the actual content of the press conference.
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:49 PM
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32. I don't think Japanese men publicly displaying emotion
is commonplace. At some point your humanness must emit itself. What has taken place in Japan is truly a disaster of biblical proportions. He probably has many loved ones, family members, fellow countrymen that he feels accountable to/responsible for. I don't claim to have ESP, and I would agree that stress is a factor in this mans public breakdown. But, my gut feeling (and it is a feeling) his grief is directed at the horrific gravity of the situation.

How is it that whoever is in charge of this universe; how does this entity continuously ignores the cries of the innocent? How is it the meek of the world have been left to slaughter by those that have no soul???

Bottoms up!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:52 PM
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34. no, it's not "commonplace", unless they're drunk, in which case they can get
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 04:59 PM by Hannah Bell
quite emotional. As they can in other situations as well. Just like American men, who are also not noted for crying at the drop of a hat -- as a gross generalization. Also, the "character" of Japanese is said to vary regionally, as well as situationally.

However, the fact that it is not "commonplace" is irrelevant. The situation is not commonplace either. And the fact that Komori cried does not mean that the Daily Mail is reporting accurately the context in which he cried.

no one has denied the fact of crisis.

however, the daily mail's spin on the press conference -- which was broadcast live on nhk, btw -- that he "finally admitted" there was a risk to life -- is spin, not fact.

here are some other links reporting the same presser. As I'm unable to confirm the time of the presser I've been unable to discover whether NHK Japan English has the video of it on their site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=682756&mesg_id=683766
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Well then...
I think a transcript would be in order.

Furthermore. I stand by my previous statements.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:04 PM
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38. yes, why don't you look for one instead of taking tabloid reporting as gospel.
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 05:06 PM by Hannah Bell
i gave some links to other reports of the presser as well as tepco's press releases on the presser.

but i am sure that even though the presser was carried on tv where everyone could see it, only the daily mail has the *real* story.
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:27 PM
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40. You know what?
I read your links as well as hundreds of different articles from sources all over this planet. This one says this and this one says that. Us, the common man, eater, worker, cannon fodder, searvant, dependent, desperate human being; are being deprived of accurate and/or consistent information. Sooooooooooooooo, Ms Bell, those of us that have an adequate supply of brain cells are going to have to try to put together a story that is based on all the information that we can dig up. The destruction of the Japanese economy is something that the elite globalists are trying to avoid. See, IMO, the solution to this incredible human disaster, to the BANKSTAS, is to make sure no big players take a haircut. They could give a fugg about some poor fisherman, and his loved ones, that lives in the prefecture next to the nuke plant that is undergoing a catestrophic meltdown. All bets are fugging OFF. You want to minimize this most tragic situation, have at it Hannah Bell. You want to debate about stupid shit and sources and this and that and that and this. Shame on you.

This is a situation that will be going on for a while, and I am sure that you and I will meet soon on this message board.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Frence Press is also carrying the story
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 05:51 PM by nadinbrzezinski
just saying...

Oh and lookie here, I found this at Huffington

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/tepco-press-conference-li_47441202882162689.html

No, you are not lying... good job
And you are close to your assestment there...

This is bad at multiple levels.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 06:38 PM
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45. yes, nadin, 'we apologise for causing the concerns and inconvenience of the public'
means *exactly* the same thing as the op.

of course it does.

there was a tepco press conference.

the daily mail spun it for hysteria value.
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IScreamSundays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. So what level of alarm should we be taking??
Ms Bell?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. take whatever level of alarm you like. that has nothing to do with the accuracy
of the daily mail report.

as you well know.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. you know what? The daily mail is a tabloid paper from "all over the planet"
it exists to hype news & make money.

i linked the official press release.

there is nothing like it in the daily mail report, & no other source has reported what the daily mail did unless they got it from the daily mail.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:13 PM
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2. Anyone that watched the video of the explosion that blew one of the reactor buildings to bits
should have had clue that the situation was extremely dire.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:18 PM
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3. "The unprecedented scale of the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan, frankly speaking, were
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 02:19 PM by Downtown Hound
among many things that happened that had not been anticipated under our disaster management contingency plans."

Take heed nuke fanatics. The plants in California are designed to withstand a 7.5 quake. Japan was hit by a 9.0. The great Earthquake in 1906 that rocked California was an 8.3.

The bottom line about al the "precautions" that the nuclear industry takes is that they only work for certain disasters. They don't work for all of them. And mathematically, it's only a matter of time before one of those "unanticipated" disasters happens.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. good point. We need NEW reactors ASAP to replace the old
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:33 PM
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6. Yeah, I'm sure those new reactors are 100% fool proof right?
Nothing could ever go wrong with them.

Or at least it's "highly unlikely" that anything ever will. Gee, where have I heard this before?
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:42 PM
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10. Nope, but they will be FAR safer than reactors designed before jet engines
You complain these old plants are not as safe as they could and should be. I agree. We need to build new ones as fast as we possibly can and then take the old ones offline, and we need to continue doing so -- insisting on the latest and safest -- even if that means a slight reduction in the margins of some public utilities.

Continue study solar of course, and wind, and in fifty or a hundred years maybe they will be viable, but in the meantime we need the cleanest and best. That means replacing ALL the old plants, and replacing the coal fired plants.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:53 PM
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12. Yep, and when one of those "new" plants has a problem
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 02:56 PM by Downtown Hound
which they will, regardless of what you say now, it WILL happen one of these days, I'm sure somebody just like you will be saying the same thing about the need for even new reactors.

Fucking spare me. I've heard people like you say the same shit about drilling for oil, and we all know how that turned out.

You fail to take in the simple fact that no system is perfect. It will ALWAYS fuck up eventually. All we can do as humans is minimize the damage when it does. That's why nuclear energy is just downright stupid.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Yes, one day one of them will.... (cont)
And we will learn from it, and the next one, and the next. And with each "failure" the next will become ever more unlikely, with increasingly less damage, until one day people will no longer even be able to imagine a nuclear accident as something worthy of consideration.

And in the meantime, cars and planes will continue to crash, dams and levees will fail, lightning and megafloods and tornados and earthquakes and tsunamis and hirricanes will all still slaughter tens of thousands. Fifty thousand a year in America will continue to die, year after year, from the Flu and we wont be able to fix any of them. Likely.

But power? THAT we can fix. So let's stop acting like cowards and get working on it.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #20
47. Yeah, well you know what? Fuck your fucking failures
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 08:05 PM by Downtown Hound
If you want to keep nuclear power in Texas where their version of environmentalism is getting the 13 MPG SUV instead of the 12 MPG one, then go ahead. But here in California we have a beautiful state with forests, deserts, bays, beaches, mountains, lakes and rivers. I don't want to see it irradiated and made uninhabitable because some yokels who don't live here decided it was all expandable in our effort to make nuclear power safer.

Notice I said safer and not safe? That's because their is no such thing as safe nuclear power.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Diabolo Canyon Should be Shut Down
If the Big One hits California, Diabolo Canyon and everyone near it are toast.
The newer plants couldn't handle that kind of quake either.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:41 PM
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24. Then we need to build a replacement somewhere safer and do it NOW
Not ten years from now, not twenty, we need to pick a spot off a fault line and get constructing and then shut the old one off.

We need a million people at work fixing this mess, probably continuously for the next couple decades, building the safest reactors and plants in the world and fixing our roting infrastructure.

And if you are a republican, sorry, but our national security comes ahead of your profits or tax cuts. Don't like it? Move to China (they already have the slave labor you love). Your money? That stays right here.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Here's the problem
The same type of people who get coal miners and oil rig workers killed by totally disregarding anything but the bottom line will be the ones building the new plants. With nucular, 100s of 1000s can be killed easily.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #30
42. Make the call
1. Leave old and obsolete plants running, dont bother building new cleaner and safer ones. You choose this you are risking a lot of lives based on the information avaialble as of this week.

2. Invest immediately in replacing these old plants with the best technology available now.

3. Shut off the power to 20% of the country. There are no replacements, so you are talking immediate and long duration rolling blackouts, and massive price hikes for the poorest of the poor. We will immediately go from a first world to second world status. Industry and business, unable to rely upon power will leave. As our electrical system is not designed for rolling blackouts, expect some areas to be out for hours and even days at a time. This situation will only END when new coal and gas plants fill the gap some years down the road -- assuming that it ever ends of course.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #24
55. No. We need to shut down the nuclear industry now. It isn't safe. Not now, not EVER.
What else can you think of that insurance companies aren't rushing to sell a policy for? Pretty much nothing. Not for every single instance.

That is proof enough that it is not safe. Not now, not before, not later, NOT EVER.

You, like the media, aren't even talking about the radioactive waste that is created. You want to play with something that can only hurt yourself go for it. But you should stop advocating something that kills hundreds of thousands of people and mutates the planet and its living beings.

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k2qb3 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. We can invest in solar and hydro and wind and waste and geo now...
There's no need to wait 50 years, there are many places in the country where we can get a positive EROEI from renewables. Unfortunately there are impacts and environmental concerns and NIMBY going on with all of those projects, we have trouble getting wind plants online over birdkills, hydro too over fish, and even just over noise and views.

I agree we need to build new plants though, to handle the base load. We should really be doing more research on which of the top contenders has the best risk/reward and then move forward on it, I'm guessing thorium will be the future but there are several possibilities.

Even if we can eventually get to 100% renewables, and I think we probably can, it's going to take a big increase in energy production to build the infrastructure to do it in a reasonable time period. We could be off fossil fuels for the most part in a generation or two, we need to be.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Yes we can. We need to if we want them to ever become practical
But do not make the mistake of assuming that ANY investment will make them a practical replacement today. We need the power today and continuously, and the demand WILL grow. That's not an option.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #21
37. Renewable technologies are more advanced than nuclear.
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 05:02 PM by kristopher
Renewable energy is cheap and getting cheaper, it is green, it is sustainable, it is being deployed on a global scale NOW.

6 Provable nuclear industry lies

1. nuclear power is cheap;
2. learning and new standardized designs solve all past problems;
3. the waste problem is a non-problem, especially if we’d follow the lead of many other nations and “recycle” our spent fuel;
4. climate change makes a renaissance inevitable;
5. there are no other large low-carbon “baseload” alternatives;
6. there’s no particular reason to worry that a rapidly expanding global industry will put nuclear power and weapons technologies in highly unstable nations, often nations with ties to terrorist organizations.

RENEWABLE ENERGY WORKS NOW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x626150
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:18 PM
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54. Why can't they get private insurance for nuclear plants? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SAFE!
Geebus. How anyone can say at this time that we need to build more plants... that is insane.

Why don't you rally for them to be built in Texas then? And insured with state taxes, not federal taxes. Do you like that your tax dollars are spent to insure these otherwise uninsureable plants? You can pay for it and be closer to the danger. I'd like ALL of them shut down. Because they are not safe, the industy is corrupt and it's time to give up on a failed idea. The existing ones have gone past their intended lifetime, they were designed and built with cost cutting measures (you know what THAT means), they are not inspected properly and reports are falsified, they are in a danger zone and surely the "big one" is coming soon. Most of that isn't going to change with newer "safer" (NO nuclear plant is SAFE - where does the WASTE go?) plants when the NRC is in the pocket of the industry and regulations are way to lax.

I can't believe anyone on this planet actually believes we should pursue this beast that continually eats our planet. Pure insanity. Or greed.



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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:39 PM
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8. what an asinine statement.n/t
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:47 PM
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11. Hell yeah!!! Emotion kicks the crap out of reason any day!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:24 PM
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56. I haven't seen reason in your posts. You actually think nuclear power can be safe.
That is completely unreasonable.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:23 PM
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18. Can we get an Chutzpah Award going?
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:36 PM
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22. hehehe :)
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:16 PM
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50. How about an award for, "I take it in the ass from energy companies
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 08:18 PM by Downtown Hound
and I like it."
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 05:02 PM
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58. Sure.
Go for it.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:37 PM
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23. Yeah, of course the corporate capitalists who would build them wouldn't dare to cut corners
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 03:38 PM by Urban Prairie
in order to increase profits and/or lower costs, such as using substandard materials, skipping over/ignoring a required structural strength/support test or two, or permit any shoddy contracted prefab work performed by subcontractors of subcontractors, or stooping to bribing/blackmailing officials of government agencies who are responsible for overseeing/supervising their construction?

Naah..no way in hell!!
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:42 PM
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26. Yep, they will need to be nationalized. Energy and safety are national security
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:01 PM
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27. Government Ownership Did Not Prevent Chernobyl
Chernobyl was 100% owned by the Soviet government. There were no evil capitalist corporations involved.

The organizational dynamic of "kill the messenger" seems to be a constant, regardless of the political system involved.
So is trying to conceal the extent of the disaster.

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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:04 PM
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28. Very true. I suppose we will just have to pay attention
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:04 PM
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39. Oh, yeah, "paying attention" will save us all from these time bombs called nuclear plants
:rofl:
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:15 PM
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49. And the age old final promise: "We'll have to pay attention"
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 08:33 PM by Downtown Hound
Are you actually stupid enough to think people are going to be paying attention when the news shifts to another story? No, people will forget. They always do. No one will pay attention except for a few bright individuals that will raise the alarm, and they will be laughed at and called kooks and alarmists and people that don't really understand reality and cowards (just like you've done here) and every other lame insult people like you come up with.

And then when that accident happens, all of you that shoved this bullshit and dangerous power source down our throats will be nowhere to be found. All of you will go running for cover and say, "There's no way we could have predicted this." Just like what happened in the Gulf of Mexico. Just like what happened in Japan.

Except there would have been a way, if you would have just listened to all the many warnings you have already received. Of course by then it will be too late, and many lives could be lost just because you don't even want to TRY and get rid of this power source.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:29 PM
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53. What makes you think nationalizing them would be any better?
Edited on Fri Mar-18-11 08:38 PM by Downtown Hound
You think governments don't try and cut corners too? You think if the government had a budget crunch they wouldn't hesitate to cut some costs on a power plant, because they "didn't really need them anyways?"

I'll admit I trust the government more than corporations, but that doesn't mean I trust them. And anybody that thinks nationalizing the nuclear industry would suddenly make nuclear power safe is kidding themselves.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:50 PM
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33. No we don't.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-11 02:35 PM
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57. Gee, nothing but crickets from Mr. Texas here
Don't you find it amusing how pro nuke freaks always pass themselves off as the experts and the only true smart people in the room, but when you show tham hard data about the true value of renewables they tuck tail and run? Makes you kind of think they don't really care about people or the planet huh? All they care about is their stupid fucking reactors.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 05:38 PM
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41. And I'm sure you're going to underwrite them, right?
No way the actual costs would ever be passed on to the taxpayers and future generations.

At some point, you have to admit that the risks really aren't worth the rewards. Not when that energy is going to light up city streets like Christmas trees and feed power-hungry plasma television sets. At some point, humanity will have to finally admit that economic models based entirely on growth have failed us and it's time to evolve our thinking.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:55 PM
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35. There are more than 42 million people within 200 miles of that plant
Just thought that needed to be added.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:23 PM
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4. How many of our murderous CEOs/Managers have shown contrition...
I can't help but consider.. Don Blankenship and the rest of the Massey Energy crooks after the record mine disaster? No way. Defiance.
BP and that whole crew? Hardly. (Spin and paid PR are not contrition, corporate crones)... Anyone on Wall Street that have destroyed lives with their thieving destruction of the economy? Posh, you jest.

So, I see this and think as horrific and perhaps unforgivable, at least one man still shows contrition.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:41 PM
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9. Alas, we in the US have leaders who shed only crocodile tears
Ala the orange-tinted weepy Boehner.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 08:21 PM
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51. Yup and fake apologies ... if any at all. nt
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 02:58 PM
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13. Crying TEPCO chief joins Cavalcade of Sad Guys
Xeni Jardin at 11:20 AM Friday, Mar 18, 2011

Managing Director Akio Komori of Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the company that manages the more or less totally Fuk-ed Fukushima nuclear plant in northern japan, wept as he left a press conference today. During that press conference, he conceded that the ongoing radiation leaks were serious enough to cause injury or death to those in the highest area of danger, closest to the damaged plant.

Some will observe this moment as a genuine display of human grief. Others, including some folks in Japan via Twitter, have expressed anger: TEPCO is responsible for the disaster, the logic goes; they've been less than forthcoming as it unfolded, the situation grows more dangerous each day the crisis remains unresolved, and he might save the tears for after they have fixed it. What's more, thanks to documents leaked by Wikileaks, we now know that TEPCO has a history of mendacious, profit-seeking and safety-risking corporate conduct.

I have added him to the Ultimate Cavalcade of Sad Guys.



http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/18/crying-tepco-chief-j.html
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 04:30 PM
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31. AWWWWWWWWWWWWW
That's awful!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-11 03:26 PM
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19. Trust your government....nope not in a million fucking years
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