A 70 year old gay man has died after being stoned to death in Philadelphia.

[katanalori]

A 70 year old gay man has died after being stoned to death in Philadelphia.

Police: "Killer invoked Old Testament in 'stoning' death"
"I killed a man," Thomas allegedly told the witness.

"He then described how he placed batteries and rocks in a sock, and hit Seidman in the head at least 10 times. Thomas then returned to Seidman's apartment several days later and called police, saying he had discovered the body, according to court documents.

When police interviewed Thomas on Wednesday he said Seidman had been making advances toward him over a period of time. Thomas said he read in the Old Testament that homosexuals should be stoned in certain situations."

MORE at link: The killer was also the beneficiary of the murdered man's estate.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20110318_Police__Killer_invoked_Old_Testament_in_stoning_death.html?c=r

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[I Have A Dream]

4. Why is this *always* the response in situations like this?

You take pleasure in the thought of anyone being raped? x(

:puke:

[CommonSensePLZ]

10. NO - omg why can't people get context today?

My implication is that his hateful, extreme action now is going to put him in a place with people just as hateful and extreme. Some of them gay and gay sex is almost definitely something this fool is bound to see now.

What he did was guarantee himself some instant karma: He hates gays and would even kill one - Now he'll be showering with gay killers. What he did, horror of bashing or attacking an old man, is INCREDIBLY STUPID as far as his own values. Logic tells you that if you hate a certain type of people you AVOID them, not ensure that you'll be surrounded by them!

Obviously rape=bad, but what he did, as far as his own choices will rebound on him and put him face-to-face with the type of stuff he's against! That's why I make the statement, to point out the consequences and paradox.

[Bluebear]

12. 'Some of them gay' - darling, jailhouse rape is not usually done because of same-gender attraction.

Just FYI.

[FreeState]

13. Karma is neither instant or linear n/t

[I Have A Dream]

17. You have a point; however your comment was very short...

and we have far too many prison rape jokes around here.

I do think that it's important to point out that people who rape in prison are very rarely homosexuals in reference to their actual sexual orientation. Although the rapist is performing a homosexual act, it's about power rather than sexual orientation. It's a way to beat others into submission.

[CommonSensePLZ]

18. Your arguments that sodomy isn't gay are ... interesting

Or that it and the presumed orgasm thereafter are not gay for some supposed psycho reasoning... wtf?

Anyway, whatever the case, I'm sure it's gonna be real enough for him.

[I Have A Dream]

24. It's not "gay". It's a homosexual *act* when it's done to a male.

Being a homosexual person is a sexual orientation -- it's not defined by sexual acts, per se. A person can be a homosexual person and never once be involved in a homosexual sexual act. The fact that homosexual people have been having heterosexual sex "forever" because they've been forced to live by the regressive rules of society does not make them heterosexual. I strongly suspect that the vast majority of prison rapists would choose women over men outside of prison even if society didn't look down upon their choosing men.

If you think that prison rape doesn't have a strong psychological element to it, you're wrong.

Brownmiller suggests that rape in a male prison is an acting out of power roles, rather than expressing a sexual need.8 In this situation the weaker man is overpowered and assumes the feminine, typically passive role. Homosexual rapes in this situation are somewhat analogous to heterosexual rape in that the rapist tends to be a younger inmate who chooses a smaller man as his victim. Fear, brutality and humiliation often accompany the rape, and victims are frequently encouraged by guards not to report it to spare their family and friends the humiliation. The men who rape in prisons are often incarcerated for crimes of violence.

In 1968 Alan J. Davis of the district attorney’s office in Philadelphia conducted a study of prisons in Philadelphia.9 He too found that homosexual rape was not primarily motivated by the need for sexual release since masturbation was easier. Conquest and degradation did appear to be a primary goal. Gagnon and Simon argue that while masturbation may be easier it may be less acceptable to men who have been socialized to the taboos of such an act. They view the rape as an expression of the individual’s power and masculinity. The rapist, although involved in a homosexual act, is still viewed by others as heterosexual as long as there is no reciprocity from the victim. Davis would agree as he found that prison rape was a product of the violent subculture’s definition of masculinity through physical triumph.

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1981/3/81.03.06.x.html

I can find 100 other studies which have found the same thing.

Turning prison rape into a violent act committed by homosexual people just adds fuels to homophobic people's irrational hatred of homosexual people. Of course there are homosexual people who commit these acts, but statistically, these acts are committed by heterosexuals. It does great harm to homosexuals to misrepresent this; homophobic people are always looking for reasons to paint homosexuals as being dangerous to the world at large to justify their continued persecution of and denial of basic human rights to people who have homosexual sexual orientations.

Anyway, believe whatever you will. Research supports what I'm saying. :shrug:

[malaise]

2. WTF?????

Something is very wrong here. Throw away the key

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I imagine that he won't be the beneficiary now.

What a horrible thing to do.

:mad:

[Kurovski]

5. Too bad the old dude didn't have a gun to blast the whackadoodle

I'll refrain from spelling out what boywonder will be finding in his future.

[niyad]

6. so it wasn't about him being gay, it was about inheriting. may he receive everything he deserves

[dkf]

7. This story sounds more complicated than at first glance.

Did the guy know he was supposed to inherit? Why did he confess?

[fascisthunter]

8. my heart goes out to his friends and family

religious fanatics are a danger to us all.

[Maru Kitteh]

9. This looks like a con followed by a pure and simple murder for money - old as the bible

but having not a damn thing to do with it, I suspect.

[katanalori]

16. I agree with your theory.........

it took the murderer several days to come up with his "Old Testament" defense. Since he was the beneficiary of the victim's estate, I think money was the motive. The article has quotes from people who knew the elderly man, and he was well-respected in his community.
If, in fact, the elderly man "made passes" at the murderer, WHY didn't the younger guy just leave?
Because he wanted the inheritance, that's why.

[valerief]

11. Well, if the Bible says to do it yet it's against the law, then the Bible should be outlawed. nt

[FreeState]

14. Sounds like mental illness that grasped onto hate n/t

[stlsaxman]

20. More like a well planned murder for money. "Began making advances"???

The guy was named sole inheritor of his estate!

"oh i like this guy... think i'll leave him all my estate when i die. THEN i'll ask him on a date"

sorry- doesn't scan.

[blogslut]

15. Sounds like the excuse of a sociopath

Thomas probably befriended this man and manipulated his affections.

Lock him up forever.

[PCIntern]

19. this City's going nuts...

We also have the flash mobs as I posted about a couple weeks ago, and yesterday there was a nightmare right down from where I practice - and Thursday night there was a melee at the H&M store wherein a group of teenage females got into a giant fight and wrecked the store: al this visible from my window. A lady was walking down Chestnut Street, a kid saw her and said loud enough for my buddy, the security guard at Liberty Place to hear, "We got one", the guy did a slide over the hood of a car, and went and punched her out.

Now this...sick stuff.

[OneGrassRoot]

22. Is it a certain area?

This is awful. :)

I ask because there's a chance my daughter may be going to college up that way and Philly would be the largest big city to visit.

[PCIntern]

25. This is the center of the city...

I'm ashamed...

PS My kid goes to college here...great experience...

[xchrom]

21. Recommend

[Dorian Gray]

23. Mr. Thomas

is a very sick sick individual. I feel so badly for Mr. Seidman and his untimely and horrific death.

[struggle4progress]

26. "... A Delaware County man has been arrested and charged with murder in the beating death of an

elderly Landsdowne man who had befriended him and made him executor and sole beneficiary of his will ... Lansdowne police Chief Daniel Kortan said the break in the investigation came when Thomas allegedly told a witness he beat an older man to death. "I killed a man," Thomas allegedly told the witness. He then described how he placed batteries and rocks in a sock, and hit Seidman in the head at least 10 times. Thomas then returned to Seidman's apartment several days later and called police, saying he had discovered the body, according to court documents. When police interviewed Thomas on Wednesday he said Seidman had been making advances toward him ..."
Posted on Fri, Mar. 18, 2011
Police: Killer invoked Old Testament in 'stoning' death
By Mari A. Schaefer
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-18/news/29142081_1_stoning-death-court-documents-police

"... Born brain-damaged, the 70-year-old Lansdowne man held a job for 40 years, lived on his own, made friends, and was enjoying his retirement when he was beaten to death in January ... Thomas .... was later charged with indecent exposure, open lewdness, and disorderly conduct in an unrelated case. He has been in custody on those charges ... Murray Seidman .... rose at 4:30 every morning to go to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital, where he worked in the laundry. He retired in 2009 ... While working at the hospital, Murray Seidman met and befriended Thomas, a patient in the psychiatric ward ...
Posted on Sat, Mar. 19, 2011
Companion charged with killing man, 70
By Mari A. Schaefer
Inquirer Staff Writer
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/118287124.html