I cannot support US military action against Libya, at this time

[bluestateguy]

nt

[rug]

1. Me either.

[hlthe2b]

2. nor can I. I can support UN-sanctioned support for the Libyan rebellion

Which is what is occurring.

[cliffordu]

5. Yep.

[JBoy]

12. +1

[bluestateguy]

21. I say let the Europeans do it

That I would support.

[DevonRex]

3. You don't support the UN then. nt

[MineralMan]

4. OK. That's one voice heard from. Noted.

[LiberalAndProud]

6. I stand with you in opposition.

[Shagbark Hickory]

7. Me neither! It's the US's turn to be "neutral". Let the EU march in there. Not us.

[Luminous Animal]

8. I agree.

[meow mix]

9. Unrec for the protestors / rebels

sorry mr gadaffi

[Modern_Matthew]

10. Same. The only war I would support is in retaliation to a direct attack within our borders. nt

[cedric]

14. Isolationist

[DevonRex]

18. Yep. nt

[shanti]

22. so?

i believe the same thing. NO MORE WAR!!

[Xicano]

24. Better than Imperialist

n/t

[Critters2]

28. Yep. "Isolationist" is a word the imperialists use to shut us up.

Fuck them.

[Xicano]

30. +1 Exactly.

Even seeing the term "Isolationist" used here on the DU I have to admit surprised me.

[DevonRex]

16. So, you'd have let Hitler take over the world? Sheesh.

[LAGC]

36. WW2 would have never happened if not for WWI.

And the onerous restrictions placed on Germany after. It literally paved the way for someone like Hitler to rise to power and stoke nationalist resentment.

[Paper Roses]

11. I cannot support much of what we do any more. Now this?

Phooey!

[bowens43]

13. Nor can I.

Obama starts another war........ we have no business attacking Libya.

[The Northerner]

15. I must concur as well

[Fire Walk With Me]

17. A nation fighting to the death against a murderous dictator needs a bit of support.

:shrug:

[Critters2]

31. Tell it to the people of Zimbabwe.

What bullshit!

[Fire Walk With Me]

33. Wow, thanks. All problems cannot be solved at once, although freedom is an idea

whose time has finally come. If there is currently not enough for you, just wait. It is the trend.

[Critters2]

34. What bullshit! The people of Zimbabwe have been waiting a long time, too.

But what? They're not as deserving as the Libyan people?

This is about oil, pure and simple.

[vi5]

19. I can, since we have a Democratic president.

Because of that I can trust that his actions are just, and noble in intention.

However, if this was being undertaken by a President McCain or any Republican president then I would be against it because clearly there would be nefarious intentions with corporatist undertones.



:sarcasm:

[cedric]

20. I totally support

the destruction of a tyrant who kills and murders his citizens who have stood up to fight for freedoms that we all hold.

Then again if your in support of their torture and death then follow a non interventionist view. Maybe you'll be happy to slip the noose round their neck before they get hung from the lamp posts.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. I support Gadhafi's demise, but NOT U.S. involvement. n/t

[Gregorian]

25. In the context of things like the Rwandan Genocide it's hard to justify.

I'm all for helping the people get what they want. I doubt that is what we're doing.

[Xicano]

26. Nor can I

No More War!

[robcon]

27. It's overdue. Should have been done 2 weeks ago.

n/t

[bluestateguy]

29. Let me just add one thing

OP here:

I am open to being persuaded that I am wrong.

I think the Europeans should do this job, not us.

At any rate, now that the mission has begun, I have no choice but to root for it to succeed.

[Critters2]

32. Have no choice?!

It's like bullshit central around here today. Of course we have a choice!

[Xicano]

35. I see a possible currency war

Here's a copy of an earlier post I made in another Libya thread.

The "Petro-dollar" system. Oil producing nations have been considering dumping the U.S. dollar as the currency used for buying oil on the market. If that happens I don't have to tell you how bad that would be for our economy since the petro-dollar system significantly artificially inflates the value of the U.S. dollar. Therefor its just as likely this is happening (due to manipulation) as a way to secure the status quo as it being just mere coincidence.

The demise of the dollar

In the most profound financial change in recent Middle East history, Gulf Arabs are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, gold and a new, unified currency planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.

Secret meetings have already been held by finance ministers and central bank governors in Russia, China, Japan and Brazil to work on the scheme, which will mean that oil will no longer be priced in dollars.

The plans, confirmed to The Independent by both Gulf Arab and Chinese banking sources in Hong Kong, may help to explain the sudden rise in gold prices, but it also augurs an extraordinary transition from dollar markets within nine years.

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The decline of American economic power linked to the current global recession was implicitly acknowledged by the World Bank president Robert Zoellick. "One of the legacies of this crisis may be a recognition of changed economic power relations," he said in Istanbul ahead of meetings this week of the IMF and World Bank. But it is China's extraordinary new financial power – along with past anger among oil-producing and oil-consuming nations at America's power to interfere in the international financial system – which has prompted the latest discussions involving the Gulf states.

Brazil has shown interest in collaborating in non-dollar oil payments, along with India. Indeed, China appears to be the most enthusiastic of all the financial powers involved, not least because of its enormous trade with the Middle East.

China imports 60 per cent of its oil, much of it from the Middle East and Russia. The Chinese have oil production concessions in Iraq – blocked by the US until this year – and since 2008 have held an $8bn agreement with Iran to develop refining capacity and gas resources. China has oil deals in Sudan (where it has substituted for US interests) and has been negotiating for oil concessions with Libya, where all such contracts are joint ventures.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html

OPEC may tie oil to basket of currencies

JOHN DIMSDALE: The global price of oil is set in U.S. dollars. But when the dollar's value is low -- as it is now -- oil producers have to jack up their prices to earn the same profit.

When the dollar fell dramatically two years ago, the spike in oil prices made more costly alternative fuels more competitive, says oil analyst Stephen Schork.

STEPHEN SCHORK: So not only was OPEC not receiving the full bang for its buck, but they were also seeing the potential for their market share erode.

So OPEC ministers are resurrecting an old idea -- tying oil to a basket of currencies, including the euro, instead.

Houston oil industry consultant Larry Carl says the dollar is losing its dominance.

LARRY CARL: When we look at the way the rest of the economies around the globe are recovering and we're falling behind, we have to start getting used to the fact that we're not going to lead right here, right now.


http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/10/14/am-opec-may-tie-oil-to-basket-of-currencies

[joshcryer]

37. Ten thousand people are likely dead. I can.