Some day in my lifetime, we will have a President who says NO MORE WARS

[DainBramaged]

not, wow let's be the world's policeman again........we sold BILLIONS of dollars in arms to the Saudis and who's raining shit down on Libya?

[KurtNYC]

1. so you plan to live a LONG time ? ;-)

I like your optimism.

[DainBramaged]

3. 25 more years and I'd be a happy OLD camper

:evilgrin:

[TheCanadianLiberal]

26. He must be young, or better be...

Because he's got a long wait. I like optimism, but still... You know what I mean.

[joshcryer]

2. The United Nations chose the No Fly Zone.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

15. So. We didn't have to sign on to it. n/t

[joshcryer]

20. We sure didn't. But like all conflicts, everyone wants the US seal of approval.

[TheCanadianLiberal]

28. So you support it then?

How are you able to support this? This is for the Libyans to sort out, not everyone else.

[joshcryer]

128. Because the Libyans asked for it and Benghazi was getting razed.

In fact, Gaddafi called a "cease fire" while continuing to march his troops on Benghazi. He knew if he killed the Transitional National Council the revolution would die. He got a council member (Mo) but he failed in that regard.

[DainBramaged]

140. Why do you think every time I (or anyone) asks you a question I need an explanation justifying war?

My question was simple, but as with so many questions you're asked, you side-stepped it JUST like any good Sunday talking head would.


Why does that continue to make me suspect of your writings???

[JackRiddler]

138. Wrong. The Security Council passed a resolution supported by UK, France and US...

with five abstentions, including Russia, China and Germany.

The latest coalition chose a no-flight zone, and the SC approved it. No vote was held by the General Assembly.

This is an action by a few of the NATO countries with support from some countries and objections from others. It is not a United Nations action or decision. To say this is pure ideological cover. You can support what you do, but avoiding bullshit might make you more credible. Thanks.

[txlibdem]

139. Per CNN this morning, it was also backed by the 22-member Arab League

From which Qaddafi was recently ejected.

The hurdle that international leaders had to clear was deliberately set high; a clear request from the Libyan opposition backed by the Arab League and a firm statement of intent by some Arab and Muslim countries to participate in prospective military action.

All this has been achieved and fair credit should be given to Prime Minister Cameron and President Sarkozy for their leadership of an understandably sceptical Europe and United States, fraught with nervousness carried over from Iraq and Afghanistan.

But, as David Cameron argued in his statement to the House of Commons on Friday, the actions to be authorised were based squarely on demonstrable need, regional support and a clear legal basis – no spin needed this time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8393017/Libya-crisis-the-unspoken-mission-is-to-topple-Gaddafi.html

More info on the Arab League:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

[JackRiddler]

145. Maybe you shouldn't rely solely on the CNN War Propaganda Network for your information.

The "22-member" Arab League, within which most of the governments are currently being rendered illegitimate by their suppression of popular uprisings, today issued a statement backing off from their advocacy, saying they had something other than a military attack in mind by endorsing a no-flight zone.

Here's the Washington Note:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2011/03/arab_league_we/

QUOTE:

Despite amazing diplomatic efforts to first secure Arab League support for a No-Fly Zone, always a false hook because a no-fly zone would not have affected the military equation significantly, and then getting a UN resolution through, the head of the Arab League is now saying the organization never signed off on what the US, French and allies are now doing -- meaning, bombing military sites inside Libya.

Note all the verbiage that was inserted prior to telling us the actual story -- which is the Washington Note's attempt to put a spin on it that saves face for the bomber nations.

The LA Times:

LIBYA: Arab League head criticizes airstrikes as Western forces impose no-fly zone

March 20, 2011

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/03/libya-airstrikes-military-tripoli-kadafi.html

This is also spin. Western forces are not imposing a no-fly zone. They are conducting airstrikes, which the Arab League now claims not to have endorsed.

You can call it kabuki, if you like. It's clear enough that the Arab League nations don't want to be seen supporting this. Do you wonder why? Because it's clear enough that their peoples generally don't support another bombing of another Arab nation by yet another "liberation" war led by UK-US.

Deal with it.

.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. I highly doubt you're correct. War = $$$$$$/OIL/POWER

Our warmongering leaders and citizens will never learn.

[meow mix]

6. Leave Poor Mr Ghadaffi Alooooone!

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[DainBramaged]

7. Oh yeah, don't let me step over that boundary no sir....

[msongs]

12. so when are you leaving for Libya to be a part of the solution? hmmm nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. No one has said Gadhafi shouldn't be gone.

Show me one post here that has defended anything that maniac has done. Go ahead. I'll be waiting for your links.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

22. "Objectively Pro-Saddam"

I keep getting older, but the bullshit never changes.

[silver10]

34. So when's your ship out date to Libya?

Glad you can help give a poor marine or soldier a break from a 3rd or 4th tour.

Since you care sooo much about evil dictators, don't forget about N. Korea, Iran, Somalia and several other African countries, I can go on...... We can use you and your money there too.

[DutchLiberal]

114. Cheap shots are really ALL you have, is it not?

Why don't you man the fuck up and give some REAL arguments why you are against giving the Libyan people the assistance they have been BEGGING for and which was backed by the UN SECURITY COUNSEL??? Instead of making VILE, CHEAP attacks against other members?

[silver10]

131. I was wishing you well in your fight, why was that a cheap shot?

[DutchLiberal]

147. Yeah... come back when you have some arguments to support your claims...

Instead of paranoid conspiracy theories based on vague gut feelings.

[zappaman]

8. sorry

war has been around forever and will until the end of time.
doesn't make it good or right, it just is human nature.
factor in the horrible profits made on the backs of the dead and you can rest assured, it ain't changing.

[Moondog]

9. Don't hold your breath.

[davidinalameda]

10. good luck with that

[Golden Raisin]

11. I'm in my 60s.

The USA has been at war somewhere, either openly or covertly, in every decade of my life. War is what we do. I fervently share your wish but have absolutely zero hope. Our system is rigged but certainly not rigged to "elect" a pacifist President. Ike was SO RIGHT about the Military/Industrial Complex.

[Very_Boring_Name]

14. We'll all have ponies and ice cream too

[barbtries]

16. you must be quite young.

i'm 55 and am certain that the day will not come in my lifetime.

[DainBramaged]

42. I'm older than you are, and your assumption is typical around here

A brother severely injured in Nam, homeless for decades, now gone. Don't fucking tell me I shouldn't wish for an end to these wars.

[barbtries]

76. i'm not telling you that.

i have this conversation with a co-worker all the time. except i'm YOU and he's ME. i always tell him just because it won't happen in my lifetime doesn't mean i can't promote peace in my time. you read me wrong. i did not fucking tell you how to feel for one thing.

[DainBramaged]

98. Next time don't assume the person you are writing to can read your fucking mind

I can be positive and hope that my beautiful Daughter and the Grand kids she may one day have can live in a world where the President doesn't get a hard on when he hears about the possibility of sending our troops to interfere where we should not be.

[barbtries]

102. i never told you not to

why you getting so ugly on me. peace out.

[DainBramaged]

132. My apologies

tough thread....

[barbtries]

142. tough thread for a tough day

apology accepted. PEACE.

[tabatha]

17. The only way there will be no more f***ing wars

is when there are no more armies and no more weapons.

The US biggest export is weapons.

[Mimosa]

18. When I was a kid one with the initials JFK expressed a determination for PEACE

We know what happened to him. BUT I think any president should strive for peace as well as to preserve our Constitution. BTW, Jimmy Carter was the other 'peacenik'. Luckily they let him live.

[Davis_X_Machina]

23. ....and between Cuba...

...and Vietnam did little except express determination.

[RZM]

57. Good point

JFK was no Genghis Khan, but he authorized his fair share of killing. I'm not saying it was right or wrong, but it's odd that some people choose to ignore that. Carter also authorized a commando operation against Iran, which unfortunately failed to even get off of the ground. Carter was also blamed by the Soviets for scuttling detente due to his concern over human rights issues within the USSR. Neither were men of war, but they were still the CICs of a great power.

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[Cid_B]

21. And then...

... someone will put that to the test and we will go fight again. Just the way it is...

[TheCanadianLiberal]

24. What about his Nobel Peace Prize?

It's too bad the can't make him return it. So it can be given to someone who actually cares about peace.

[Amonester]

25. We can't even have a message board with NO MORE WARS

of words, imagine a world...

Good luck with that.
I wish we could.

[DainBramaged]

27. Isn't it amazing, I just wish for no more war, and get blasted by the warmongers

[TheCanadianLiberal]

30. Thats how it always is...

And it's ridiculous too.

[Amonester]

31. I am not a warmonger, and I hate this shit, but there's nothing I can do

to help these young Libyans from getting slaughtered by that crazy OIL tyrant other than this.

[doc03]

35. We have a some DUers that could find a way to justify

anything this president does. Just like when W was president he had supporters that made excuses and defended him no matter what. I can't defend Obama anymore he has just become an embarrassment. Just what has he done any differently than John McCain would have done? Since November he has been a rubber stamp for the Republicans.

[DainBramaged]

38. I think Nobel should recall the Peace Prize

how many countries with scumbags repressing their people do we ignore, yet Libya is chosen for intervention.


What about the rest of Africa, oh wait, the economy to scale isn't worth it.

[silver10]

40. That's how warmongers are, find any reason to support more war

Believe anything, anybody who supports their view and tries to make you feel bad about it.

Keep doing what you are doing and exposing this sham.

You'd think after all the wars and all the history, people would learn, but they do not - it is quite amazing.

Get rid of a dictator, and new one will take his place no matter how much blood was shed. These are not democratic countries. I invite these warmongers to move to Iraq to see the great democracy there.

[DainBramaged]

48. How much more American blood will be spilled for Arabian oil?

when will it end?

[silver10]

73. I am on your side, you are my hero today!!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. Yep. They're blasting me on my thread too.

And I'm betting that if Obama was a republican, many who support this action against Libya would be opposing it.

[DainBramaged]

78. It's similar to the guns forum

no matter how conviencing you argument, prfect your logic, they will always say, "it's ma rite to owns gunz".

It's their rite to killz other peoples who has the oils.


Be well



:hug:

[Urban Prairie]

29. The day the POTUS will say No More Wars

Will be the same day that Klaatu actually visits Earth with his planet-frying robot Gort.

[DutchLiberal]

32. Actually, supporting action against Quadaffi is the only thing Obama has done *right*!

No, I don't hope the US will ever have a president who watches and doesn't act when innocent people, who rebel against their dictator of 42 years, get slaughtered while they beg the international community for existence.

But you have a different opinion... you want to repeat Rwanda. I don't.

[silver10]

36. Why can't the Netherlands do it then since you care so much?

[DutchLiberal]

41. In fact, they are participating, desspite your pathetic use of right-wing 'arguments'...

"You can't say anything, cause you're a fer'ner!"

[silver10]

44. Huh? Well, when do YOU ship out? - we'll write you!

or aren't you enlisting? - put your money where your mouth is.

[DutchLiberal]

46. Oooh, internet tough guy, aren't you? Can't handle arguments?

[silver10]

50. why can't I handle an argument? I asked a legitimate question.

[DutchLiberal]

You try to bully people into silence. Sorry, it's not working.

[silver10]

56. Me? Bully? I'm not advocating war, especially here.

You are quite the name caller, aren't you?

[DutchLiberal]

60. That's right, you're advocating letting the people of Libya getting massacred by Qaddafi.

[silver10]

64. What about all the countries in Africa with people getting slaughtered?

And all the other countries who have people getting slaughtered by their leaders? Where does it end?

[DutchLiberal]

67. False dilemma.

[silver10]

71. so other people who get slaughtered don't count?

How can you so easily pick and choose among poor people? No oil there?

[DutchLiberal]

75. How can you advocate letting ALL people die? No conscience there?

"Let's not help these people, because we haven't helped those other people! That will teach them!"

[silver10]

90. You didn't answer my question about the other countries?

[DutchLiberal]

You didn't answer my question about why NO countries?

The question is ridiculous. If you can only start on one place before you have gone in all other places... you can never start. Now you're surely clever enough to understand such a basic concept, right?

So, you admit you would rather have us do nothing at all, anywhere? Like a good kooky 19th century isolationist fits?

[silver10]

110. No, if being for war is clever, I am not clever at all

[DutchLiberal]

122. You're not clever for letting the Libyan people get slaughtered, when they asked us for help...

But you just sit back at your computer and feel morally superior because you put your 19th century kooky isolationist principles before the lives of those people.

[silver10]

126. We've been lied about wars before, lost thousands of people

And we're supposed to go in guns blazing, spending billions and trillions across the world while our own budget for domestic programs is being decimated by the rightwing without any cuts for military, oil subsidies, or taxing the top 2% anymore - and they get more out of the country than most, they need to pay their fair share.

The timing is just unbelievable - too good to be true. Sorry I don't blindly trust everything I read.

Where's the WMD in Iraq? A million people died there over the duration of the war - where's the democracy?

[DutchLiberal]

146. Oh, you're one of the tinfoil-hatters who don't believe *anything*?

Then, we can't reason. After all, if you don't believe countless tv stations all over the world, including Middle Eastern, reporting on 3,000 dead Libyans; if you don't believe the rebels who were begging and pleading for the West to intervene... then where's the reasoning? You have a gut feeling because you had a shitty president before... and the people of Libya have to pay with their lives for your gut feeling.

At least you could've taken a clue from history. Read up on Qaddafi. He's not the swell anti-imperialist crusader you think he is.

[DainBramaged]

83. According to many here and on the Right, no oil , no justification for war

humanith be damned. War in Darfur is a PERFECT example.

[DutchLiberal]

97. The West had excellent dealings with Qaddafi. Attacking him = risking all the oil.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Put on your tinfoil hat before letting your hatred of your own country gets the best of you and you start cuddling poor Muammar.

[silver10]

112. so, we are against war, so we hate our country - Nice!

So rightwing of you in your arguments.

[DutchLiberal]

117. Your hatred of humanitarian actions of the US against a dictator have paranoid traces...

Bordering on self-hatred and conspiracy nuttery, yeah.

[silver10]

121. OK, you went too far there - you don't know what humanitarian means

[DutchLiberal]

123. It means not letting people get slaughtered when they ask us for help.

Something YOU advocate doing.

[silver10]

127. I advocate no one gets slaughtered, including our military and all the other people of the world

[DutchLiberal]

148. But that IS the consequence of your inaction. Own up to it, or stay out of the thread.

[silver10]

69. Judging by the way you write

You've never served in the military, never worn a uniform, never been in a war.

You're what is known as a "chickenhawk" in the states - rightwingers are more likely chickenhawks because they advocate war when they would never serve in a billion years.

Once you've been a war and were shot at or bombed, maybe you then could encourage another country's young to fight in a war - to take down ANOTHER dictator!

[DutchLiberal]

77. Oh goodie! MORE personal attacks! Can I have some more, please?

[silver10]

91. If you aren't a chickenhawk, then we wish you well in fighting the dictators

[DutchLiberal]

99. Can I get some more smears and blackening to go with those attacks, sir?

[silver10]

106. You're a wily one, aren't you - no substance to your comments

[DutchLiberal]

108. Pot, meet kettle...

[silver10]

113. Keep writing your "clever" replies, I've grown bored of you

[DutchLiberal]

115. Likewise, and thanks for proving my point about you having no arguments to oppose saving the Libyans

[silver10]

116. I will leave you with one argument worth writing - PEACE

[DutchLiberal]

120. Yeah, I imagine Quadaffi giving the people he has oppressed for 42 years SO MUCH peace...

:eyes:

[silver10]

And since when is Peace a right-wing argument?

And since your calling me names without knowing me, what's a fer'ner?

[DutchLiberal]

49. Using someone's background to discriminate against them is a right-wing argument...

And you're using them.

[silver10]

54. No, I want other countries to be the police against dictators, NOT the U.S. for once

[DutchLiberal]

62. France and Great-Britain and the Arab League... do these names ring a bell?

[silver10]

81. OK, that's like 2 other countries and what's the Arab League doing?

And why didn't you mention Netherlands?

I meant "save" the ass of the world WITHOUT US involvement.

[DutchLiberal]

107. So, I debunked your conspiracy theory bullshit.

Why not just admit it instead of derailing the discussion?

[RZM]

72. There are French pilots that would think your post is way off the mark n/t

[silver10]

82. I meant why can't other counties and NOT the U.S. to it without us?

[RZM]

92. No doubt they could

And probably would as long as the US didn't take a hard line against it, which seems to be what some here are advocating. My guess is that it's because the US has world's largest economy and most advanced military and also exercises a global leadership role. Other countries expect the US to be part of international actions like this.

[silver10]

104. Well it's bullshit

If we are all you say we are, it's ashame so many of our own line in poverty - 50% of our people are so poor they can't pay taxes. They don't have a place to live, food, health care, it's a crying shame. So happy you can support us spending trillions on unwinnable wars at the sacrifice of our people - so much distance between the rich and poor that we will end up like th countries we fight in.

[RZM]

111. Where on earth did you get that I support 'spending trillions on unwinnable wars'?

I didn't imply anything like that at all. All I did was offer my two cents on why the US is part of the current intervention in Libya.

[DainBramaged]

119. Great line, great line

:toast:

[DutchLiberal]

124. Unfortunately, it's just *that*: a "line"; no substance there.

[silver10]

129. Only the right wing would write that PEACE has no substance

[DutchLiberal]

149. It's your spinning of my words that's the only right-wing thing here...

How much substance does "we should let the Libyans die because we have kooky isolationist principles" have?

[doc03]

51. Since you support another war will you sign up at your

local recruiter's office Monday? If you are too old for the military would you encourage your children or grandchildren to sign up? If Libya had broccoli instead of oil nobody would give a damn how many people he killed. I have come to the point where I think we should mind our own damn business. We have put this country on the edge of bankruptcy trying to be the worlds policemen.

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[DutchLiberal]

58. Oh, the personal attacks and false dilemma's are flying fast at DU...

Even tough the UN resolution specifically states NO TROOPS ON THE GROUND, overdramatic DU-members insist on making it look like that to...

... to what goal, I ask? To leave poor Muammar alone?

[doc03]

65. Why don't we just declare war on everyone and get it over with n/t

[DutchLiberal]

68. How many times does that false dilemma have to get debunked on DU for it not never pop up again?

[doc03]

79. Name one other country since WWII that has been in more

conflicts or dropped more bombs on other countries than the US. Aren't we so f---g broke we have to cut SS, Medicare, Medicaid, privatize prisons, roads and road maintenance, take union bargaining rights away, fire teachers, can't have healthcare for our people, etc.

[DutchLiberal]

88. Relevancy? I'm looking for it. Didn't find it in your post.

Oh, and the broke argument: false dilemma. Letting the Libyans DIE will not pay for your precious social security.

[doc03]

93. What about North Korea? They have a brutal dictator

that is off his rocker and WMD's. Difference Libya has OIL.

[DutchLiberal]

103. The West had excellent dealings with Qaddafi. Attacking him = risking all the oil.

Your conspiracy theory doesn't make sense. Just because Bush invaded everything to get oil doesn't mean every dictator of an oil-producing country is a poor defenseless victim.

[doc03]

86. Why the hell aren't we over their bombing the hell out of

that nut in North Korea? That nut is ten times more dangerous than Qaddafi and he really does have weapons of mass destruction..

[DutchLiberal]

105. False dilemma. Try again.

[silver10]

130. Good questions that the right wing cannot answer...

Accept to keep saying, "false dilemma" - how can a good question be answered with such an empty response - and he keeps saying it over and over. It is not a false dilemma. We can't afford to be the world's police.

[aquart]

33. Then you'll know you've elected a brass-faced liar.

[DainBramaged]

37. I voted for Jimmy Carter, he was not a brass-faced liar

and if I'm not mistaken there was no war initiated by him during his term....

[DutchLiberal]

43. No, he just let Suharto massacre the people of East-Timor...

[LoZoccolo]

47. There was a proxy war in Afganistan, and warships were deployed to threaten Iran. n/t

[DainBramaged]

53. (sigh) I voted for Jimmy Carter, there was no war during his term

was that just to make the warmongers happy that the Soviets were in Afghanistan and we sent ships to threaten Iran holding our citicens hostage? Wow grab that straw....

[LoZoccolo]

63. Is it just to make the warmongers happy that we are intervening in Libya? n/t

[DainBramaged]

66. How about Kim Jong iL, why haven't we dropped a few on him?

MILLIONS have died in his country to fed his army and finance his movie industry.....

[RZM]

80. Kim Jong Il has the bomb

He also has one of the largest standing armies in the world and lots of artillery pointed right at Seoul. North Korea has no opposition to speak of, at least not one that's able to request assistance from the international community.

[DainBramaged]

87. Yeah, we has thousands more bombs than him, trumps the army he has...

forget his bombs, the point is we pick and choose easy targets with economic value for us.

[RZM]

95. You made my point for me

North Korea is not an easy target. The US is more than capable of defeating anything they throw at us or anyone else, but the costs would be very high and might be paid in large part by South Koreans and Japanese.

[DainBramaged]

100. I made my own point

[LoZoccolo]

96. Is that a "no"? n/t

[DainBramaged]

101. Tag you're it

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

135. What should I think when you change the subject? n/t

[DainBramaged]

136. You aren't here to support my peaceful intentions......

A line has been drawn in the sand. Now let's talk about our support of the Democratic desires of the people of Bahrain, or is that too small a revolution for the US to support? Oh wait, we have some serious vested interested interests there, maybe another revolution.....

Nite nite.

[spanone]

39. i won't live that long.......

fuck

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[proud2BlibKansan]

52. Amen

:thumbsup:

[TheCanadianLiberal]

59. This won't be good for my car...

With this going on in Libya where will I get the plutonium required to power my DeLorean? This goes beyond oil, it goes beyond power, it goes back to the future!

[emilyg]

70. We can hope.

[jwirr]

74. I'm 69 years old and I worked for George McGovern - that is as

close as I have seen in my lifetime.

[jefferson_dem]

84. Keep dreaming.

In the real world, there has always been conflict. Some of that conflict requires we take a position, including an active one that involves potential use of force.

[DainBramaged]

89. HEY BUDDY, LONG time no hear from!!!

I bet you are excited over this hey?

[jefferson_dem]

94. Hey!

Nah... Your fantasies don't really excite me. But, hey, whatever gets you through the night.

[DainBramaged]

109. I haven't forgotten our conversation about real Jefferson 'Dems"

take care now, keep it going...

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

118. Ah yes...

Take care yourself. :hi:

[LiberalAndProud]

85. Tonight you are more optimistic than I am.

There will always be a new perceived threat to our security. There will always be another despot to unseat. We will always find a new justification for a new war, because to do otherwise is simply unAmerican. If it will bleed us of our riches and rob us of our youth, those are the sacrifices we must make. It is the will of the world.

[truedelphi]

125. That used to be my wish. But I confess I have given up.

Glad someone out there is keeping the faith.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

133. 8 years to the day

March 19, 2003

"My fellow citizens, at this hour American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger."

March 19,2011

"Today I authorized the Armed Forces of the United States to begin a limited military action in Libya in support of an international effort to protect Libyan civilians. "

[DainBramaged]

134. That is what angered me more than anything and it started with cruise missiles

do you really think the Obama Administration is that tone deaf or history ignorant?

[BzaDem]

137. Nope -- it will never happen during your lifetime, and that is absolutely a GOOD thing.

Any Presidential candidate who categorically rules out war under any circumstances should not be allowed anywhere NEAR the Whitehouse. Fortunately, while the public is often opposed to particular wars, they also would never be so irrational as to elect a President who categorically ruled it out as an option. So you're going to be waiting quite a long time (i.e. forever).

[quaker bill]

141. But it will only be relevant if there aren't any

The war in Libya already exists, the only question is whether the UN picks a side or stands aside and allows things transpire on their own.

[Imagevision]

143. As long as OIL is part of the issue we will always have wars that's a given.../

[mmonk]

144. The US is a predatory state.

I doubt we will see a peaceful US.