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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:02 PM Original message |
Thoughts on the Split in DU and Class Warfare in the United States |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. kick and rec |
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bluestateboomer (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. One of the best Damn explorations of where my head is at |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #57 |
370. k/r |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
233. +1 - "Candidate Obama" was the best President we ever imagined. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #233 |
372. no, he wasn't |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's "unalienable" not " inalienable" and those who reject supernatural powers should object to your |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. I think you have missed the thrust.. Be that as it may, " Inalienable rights" |
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liberalmike27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
110. Looke 'em up |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:54 AM Response to Reply #110 |
121. Read my post and you will see the difference. A minor distinction, but a distintion no less. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Suggest you not miss the forest for the trees... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
139. Plus one nt |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
174. +1000 |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
115. "those who reject supernatural powers should object to your use of "their Creator" as the source..." |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #115 |
188. The founding fathers are dead, so taking up various issues with them doesn't work. nt |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #188 |
253. Well maybe he can get the Supreme Court to declare the Declaration unconstitutional? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:38 PM Response to Reply #253 |
303. I think the more one has suffered for being a "member of a group," such as gay or atheist, |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #303 |
316. And just how, exactly, does someone "suffer" from being an atheist? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #316 |
320. Atheists are the most hated minority in the US. Other people try to make us suffer. nt |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #320 |
325. No one has ever tried to make *me* suffer, and I live in the buckle of the bible belt.. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #325 |
326. Looking like you know how to fight probably helps. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #326 |
328. Well I'm sorry for your family, and especially your daughter... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #328 |
334. I completely agree with your strategy of peace, though I do have a soft spot for some of the "new |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #325 |
387. So |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
175. "how any progressive" |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. Recommend |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. Just reviewing some of the email I have gotten about the |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
140. That is pretty ugly, truedelphi. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
153. Everybody.. |
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DeadEyeDyck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #153 |
203. that may prove to be illegal in S-510 |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #203 |
208. I'm afraid |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
322. K&R Ultra-important topic. nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #322 |
393. It sure is an important issue. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. The true victory of DADT came the same day as raising taxes on the poor |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Funny ain't it - people who would not even be taxed on their incomes |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. % versus absolute value is a fog. Honest reportage, |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Since I cannot put you and me in a jet and take us |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
142. Wow! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #142 |
257. Yeah, those nasty Norwegians. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #257 |
374. Thanks for sharing that, truedelphi. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Also, the self employed get neither the MWPC or the reduced SS. nt |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. I would think that everyone gets the same. |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
75. You are right - I was mistaken! Finally something works out better that way! nt |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Coincidence. Coincidence. |
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Bluesbreaker (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
136. What about all of the president's victories in the lame duck session? |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #136 |
202. This is the key---absolutely spot on! |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #202 |
309. When Bernie Sanders did his fillibuster, |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #309 |
319. Some folks want to rationalize their surrender... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well thought out and organized post....as usual. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. The war against the middle class continues at this time |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. Most people who have tried to create security through savings are dependent on the existence of |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Most people who have tried to create security through savings are dependent on |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. So do you think this OP is advocating for a healthy corporate structure or the destruction of |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:40 PM Original message |
Please explain the "necessary role" of Wall Street. Be specific. Thanks.nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
49. Investment banking provides funds for entities through the sale of stock or the issuance of bonds. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. "Then we have the secondary market where people buy and resell the stocks and bonds and other |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. How. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #63 |
118. Thanks for your excellent explanation, bluestate10. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #63 |
150. Yup, casino. I fail to see how that helps society at large, |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #150 |
176. I agree. If you read closely, you will see that I think secondary stock trading is a sham. nt. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
213. The most sickening part |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #213 |
352. welcome to DU |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. If you made your investment and never had an opportunity to sell it, how do you get your money back? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. By growing the company and taking a percentage of annual profits as personal income. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
119. "you would never have the opportunity to share in the rise of |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
151. No, I don't think anyone should be allowed to "make a profit" - I think the whole system is rigged |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #151 |
178. Revolution will only lead to bloodshed. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #178 |
206. Personal choices change nothing politically. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #206 |
345. True ... but whatever happens has to be non-violent .. Berlin Wall came down.... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #345 |
377. In my heart I agree with you - I am in favor of non-violence. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #377 |
403. Think we all share your feelings .... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #151 |
242. And replaced by what? |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
248. I do hope your economics background includes the |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
192. It allows people like me and you grow our money. nt |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Your position is more in my corner of thought. But I firmly disagree that Wall Street |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:54 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. So you believe that you and I should not have the opportunity to invest and must save |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
85. Bank accounts are paying -1% on money, while credit charges are charging 28%... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. So, your solution is????? nt. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Solution is to end corrupt government ... shouldn't Obama be interested in that????? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #97 |
130. You can start your own bank with like minded individuals. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
343. I can probably also start my own EPA, and schools -- and auto manufacturing with high MPG .... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #97 |
152. Nope, not enough, solution is that capitalism must go. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #152 |
180. Ok. What solution do you suggest? And how do you get a majority of people on board with it? nt. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #180 |
205. I suggest we protest en masse - and we may not be there yet but we will be - |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #205 |
346. Seniors have not protested the COLA cuts ... they're not even united in any way but AARP!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #152 |
344. Agree ... and it looks like the myth of capitalism is dying here in America .... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #344 |
378. The youth give me hope - that's for sure. Even when you look at the protests |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #378 |
402. One major part of this internet stuff, I think .... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
99. Heck I am 100% on board with ending the wars. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #99 |
154. Sorry, again, not enough. nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
347. That's kind of a lost story ... isn't it? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #69 |
91. Bank accounts? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
116. I understand the theory behind what you are saying. |
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Puppyjive (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
127. Million Dollar Stadiums at the public trough |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #127 |
348. Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime .... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. The solutions are simple |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
101. +1000% ... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #32 |
190. so true. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
216. OK |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
315. How do we get the votes to do that? nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
349. Exactly ... but where do we get the next FDR to do that? You think Obama is going to do it???? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. No, I'm not advocating for the total destruction of corporations down to the last one |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. When I see posts against corporations I always feel they are an assault on the nest egg I have |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. That's a very complex question. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:12 AM Response to Reply #55 |
76. I have no faith in social security because I have no faith we can fix our fiscal situation. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. There's no problem with Social Security ... there is a problem with corrupt government .. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #76 |
124. We can fix our fiscal situation by taxing imports. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #76 |
143. We are not providing for people |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
229. Social Security has been a life saving program for millions of Americans for several decades |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Another reply. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
241. Let me see if I understand what you're saying about the bailout |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. Are you a progressive or a conservative?? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
81. To be honest both sides strike me as crazily unrealistic. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. To be honest both sides strike me as crazily unrealistic. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
102. Wouldn't investors be better off if CEO's didn't make such huge salaries and bonuses? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #102 |
123. Yes we would be better off if they didn't make such salaries. |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:08 AM Response to Reply #123 |
149. a "storehouse of value" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #123 |
339. Value of labor has to be addressed by LABOR, itself ... we are all labor ... !! |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:01 AM Response to Reply #43 |
122. No matter what you do, you will be relying on the good graces |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Social security is the gravy. The foundation needs to be what you provide for yourself. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #125 |
133. I am retired. The stock market is too risky once you actually retire. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
340. Look at the people who worked for Enron and thought they had a million ..... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
342. You might also be noticing that young people are being laid off before they |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
86. Everyone should watch the Catherine Austen Fitts video on the financial coup..... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
126. Even credit unions which are non profits do this. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #86 |
147. Thanks for calling that |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #147 |
350. ... and keep in mind, Catherine Austen Fitts video ended up in 9/11 dungeon....!! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #350 |
375. Maybe the DU PTB do it |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #375 |
401. You may be right -- including about their fears .... |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
211. Thanks for the book recommendations. They are now on my must read list. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
135. There is a role for financial firms, but at less cost. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. Basically, every $1 that anyone had pre-W is now worth 50 cents ... !! |
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toastbutter (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
79. sorry, but no |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
386. Oops! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. Bullshit. By that logic we are all starving to death because farmers are |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
187. Spoken like a true member of the financial elite. nm |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
222. That particular poster NEVER changes their tune about corporate |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
221. Or we can just let big corporations fail when they steal billions from the national treasury. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. First off. I am a moderate, lifelong democrat. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Your post is a perfect example of how someone with an opposing view should |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Some answers to your comments |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Reply. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. The solution to outsourcing are laws that prevent it, |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Really???? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
80. If anyone -- for instance the Democratic Party -- gave LEADERSHIP to such a campaign.... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #80 |
107. I don't know where to start. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #107 |
353. Could you be any closer to "blame the victim" .... ? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:38 AM Response to Reply #51 |
106. Tariffs have worked in the past, it's how we built this country, PRE-Reagan, before he |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. I recently purchased. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
129. I'm trying not to buy Chinese stuff. So is my mother. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:45 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. I have found that searches on the internet are more effective than |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #134 |
268. Excellent ideas, bluestate |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #268 |
354. Let us know how you do .... |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
137. Tariffs did work. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #137 |
183. Yes. And Toyota became the biggest auto manufacturer. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #183 |
376. Please. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
78. Yes -- tariffs -- and overturning the trade agreements .... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Paul Krugman on Obama's stimulus package: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. The stimulus was only 25% of what the economists told Obama was needed ... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #59 |
114. Constraints. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #114 |
231. "There are equally qualified individuals that dispute many of Krugman's conclusions. " |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. +1000% --- |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
244. The Congress was the president's biggest obstacle. It is on record |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #244 |
355. Obama asked for only 25% of what was needed ... and I think he compromised on LESS... !! |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #355 |
368. Link, please?! Not hyperbole!! It was Reid and the Democrats in the Senate |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:35 AM Response to Reply #368 |
369. Cut the "hatred" crap .... Obama's back room deals are his alone to take responsibility for.... |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. you are spot here with Afghanistan. And BUSH did the wall street bailout. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
88. "If they can make you believe in absurdities, they can make you commit atrocities" --- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
95. First, US/CIA created Taliban/Al Qaeda and financed it up until 9/11 .... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
162. Prescribing individual change as a solution to social ills is an inherently conservative |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #162 |
357. It's simply more 'blame the victim" ..... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
240. +1000. You have it exactly. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. In regard to the civility category, it's a too-common practice that opposing |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I am of the mindset. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. The politicians whom we elect to state and national office |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. I completely disagree. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
74. We all are in charge of our own family budgets & purchasing decisions. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #74 |
100. Going to war in Iraq was a mistake. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #100 |
145. If faced with a choice of giving up our wars or having our economy collapse, what would you choose? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #145 |
186. I favor a pinpoint covert war. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #186 |
219. But that is not what we have now |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #186 |
238. Put the Tom Clancy novels down |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #186 |
361. And what if someone thinks America is "evil" ... do we deserve the same treatment??? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #100 |
164. Do you care how many innocent civilians we kill in Afghanistan |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #164 |
189. 9-11 was not launched and controlled from Europe. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #189 |
212. It was financed from Saudi Arabia so why isn't that being bombed? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #189 |
234. I don't think you answered my question |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
245. Correction |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
360. War in Iraq was planned over decades --- not a "mistake" ... it was a crime .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
359. Congress also long ignored the "Signing Statements" ... yet Congress is |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
16. The #1 priority on Obama's list should be the class war against working people, |
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Foo Fighter (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Ah, but it is. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
73. Rather ironic that you should say that .... |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. Thanks for articulating my values. Sometimes it seems few people share them. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. "I'm not sure what the answer for us is," |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Thanks, but I've already done every bit of that in my life and so have my friends. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
117. What does you living among rambos, mad maxes and right-wing religious |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #117 |
157. I already said I'd done all you mentioned, they don't affect my personal choices. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #157 |
194. "independent of the corporatist mindset" |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #117 |
158. well worth reading |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #158 |
196. You have no idea how much your recognition means. I mostly feel like I'm swimming in molasses |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #196 |
225. It THINK |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #225 |
338. the same way |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #196 |
230. Here, here! But you're much more articulate than I am and doing a great job. |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #196 |
337. I understand. |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. Excellent post...Kr nt |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
27. I would like to chip in that DADT repeal had nothing to do with the WH |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
28. TFC - to me you are one of the most informed, analystic, and |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #28 |
384. Thank you very much pufpuf |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. K&R..... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
30. Excellent OP, with the caveat that I wouldn't expect too much civility when folks |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. The anger of which you speak........... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
31. Excellent piece |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. Thanks for so eloquently stating what my feelings have been since DADT. DADT was a big deal, |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
36. K & R |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
42. Recommended |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
44. A great post - well thought out and cogently expressed. Explains |
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True_Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
48. K&R! Excellent post! n/t |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. K&R |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
56. Thanks for your comments regarding the "divide" on DU... |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
60. For there to be a class war |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:32 AM Response to Reply #60 |
83. Until we get rid of computer voting, we have no idea what the public is voting for --- |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
397. We don't have it here |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
96. I understand where you're coming from, but... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Great point about those not voting .... and right wing has been very successful at |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #96 |
146. Reality is best taken at face value |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
64. K & R, bookmarked |
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man4allcats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
66. K&R! |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
67. K&R |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
68. K&R n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-25-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
70. Of course, you are correct ... why would it even have to be explained? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #70 |
165. I agree it's more than 50% -- |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #165 |
366. True ... and .... it means most of DU is in a post-Obama mode .... |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
84. Outstanding and painstakingly thoughtful and sincerely |
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FrancisTreptoe (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
89. Thank you. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
93. K&R. Thank you for saying this so well. //nt |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
98. I've lost track of how many times now that you've spoken for me |
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colsohlibgal (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
103. Amen He's Been Another "DINO" President. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. "Nixon on most things was left of both Obama and Clinton" --- |
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urbuddha (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. We should start a Class War Forum and find ways to solve it |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. What, program voting machines with secret proprietary codes? |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
111. The narrative on this president in financial media |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. or maybe that's just political cover. |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
120. Thank GOD we still have people like you on DU. I will stick around for moments like these. K/R |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:14 AM Response to Original message |
128. K&R&bookmarked. |
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Phlem (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
131. Perfect! |
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Bluesbreaker (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
132. Well said |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
138. K&R |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
141. Brilliant post. Thank you. |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
144. Thoughtful post. |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
148. Epic post that breaks it down to the gritty. K&R. nt |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
155. my values as well |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
156. A rarity on DU: a thoughtful, well-written, detailed post |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
159. I can't find a single thing I disagree with here |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
160. For starters ... |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
161. Most excellent post, good sir. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
163. Yeah, the United States isn't all that. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #163 |
167. "Why is a laundry list of what's wrong with this country being used to define the Obama Presidency?" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #167 |
172. And they are inaccurate |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #172 |
197. Thanks man. Why in hell did the calvary take so long to get here? |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #172 |
201. Jobs claim rebuttal laughable. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #201 |
207. Give credit where it is due. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #172 |
239. Do you deny that NET job creation during the Obama administration has been negative? |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
166. Echos |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #166 |
246. You and I and so many other DUers are all "radical" from the standpoint of the corporate media |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #246 |
256. Not only that |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
168. Personally I see nothing wrong with lively debate here. I don't see our differences |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
169. Very well said.......... |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
170. K&R |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
171. Thanks for an excellent post that lays out the arguments |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
173. TARP, better known as the "Wall Street Bailout" was the work of Bush and Paulson. |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #173 |
181. I would agree with that point |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #181 |
184. Perhaps he did. Perhaps, however, it was having to deal with Blue Dogs |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #184 |
198. My opinion on the houses |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #198 |
215. You're grossly misinformed. He spent Christmas with the family in HI |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. Last time I checked |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. I don't know what you're talking about here. And last time I checked, the Constitution |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. Sorry |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #223 |
362. Evidently Obama can make back room deals with GOP, with Big Pharma and with private H/C industry .. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #173 |
199. Hail, Hail, Hail!!!!! nt. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #173 |
247. The Wall Street bailout |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
179. The Declaration's View on Equality |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
182. this is not new |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #182 |
250. That is true -- and we are losing it worse now than we have been since the Great Depression |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
185. Excellent post |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
191. Poverty and Class Warfare ... |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
204. Cat. |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #204 |
214. Protesting is Democracy |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #204 |
218. Yes, you are correct |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #204 |
252. No, the OP is NOT full of misinformation. You have not managed to point out a single point of |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #204 |
363. Okay ... that one put you on IGNORE -- !! |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #191 |
210. Good take on things |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #191 |
224. More than 2 cents. Excellent post, thanks. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #191 |
251. That is an excellent point. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #191 |
333. Thank you, Cat. As a low-income person myself I can totally relate to what you say. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
193. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - HUGE K & R !!! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
195. Very well articulated. |
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El Prezidente Kaboom (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
200. I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat. - Will Rogers |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #200 |
209. Grassroots reform. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
220. Unrec for opinion stated as 'fact'. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #220 |
227. The OP cites differences in opinion. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #220 |
255. Great job of pointing out all those factual errors |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
228. K&R |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
232. Bookmarking for later |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
235. You're equating political positions with moral values. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #235 |
259. When people live their ethics, moral values become political positions. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #259 |
295. I've never met anyone that actually lived their ethics |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #235 |
265. What GOP talking points, and what spin? |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #265 |
296. Let's start with laying Tarp soley on the President's doorstep |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #296 |
382. I did not lay it solely on the president's doorstep |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #382 |
388. Yes you did. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #388 |
390. Well, his administration did engineer the bailout plan. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #390 |
392. No they didn't and now you're spinning what the NYTs said. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #392 |
396. Oh, excuse me, the NY Times article didn't use the word "engineered" |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #396 |
398. Oh excuse me, you are spinning. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #398 |
399. No, I didn't ignore the chart |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:17 PM Response to Reply #399 |
400. I guess you didn't understand the chart then |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #235 |
283. I agree. Nothing I hate more than morals getting into my politics. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #283 |
300. And I hate nothing more than someone claiming to be morally superior |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #300 |
305. Well I just did. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #305 |
307. Good for you!!!! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #307 |
308. Better than the view under it. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #308 |
327. Touche! LOL |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #300 |
385. tough shit... we are humans not machines nor sociopaths |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
236. K&R! |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
237. K&R |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
243. We Must Do Both... Clean-Up Government |
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jdglsm (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
249. Why did Obama abandon his principles? |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #249 |
263. huh? |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #249 |
351. Population growth does not drive unemployment. |
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jdglsm (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #351 |
367. Why population growth drives unemployment in the US |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #367 |
391. Welcome to DU. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #367 |
394. Bravo, jdglsm! |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
254. Very good post. My sentiments exactly. n/t |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
258. You obviously no longer believe in the work of the Democratic party |
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Oakland (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. What Democratic Party? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #258 |
261. Do you have anything to say about the issues TFC raised in his OP? |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #258 |
262. You know, by that logic |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #262 |
273. Agree totally with your sentiments. n/t |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #258 |
266. I don't respect those Democrats who have sold out |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #266 |
269. Check the HCR or tax package roll call |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. There was very little choice |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #270 |
274. Out of curiousity, what would your vote have been |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. I probably would have voted against it |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
264. Much of your post contradicts itself. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #264 |
267. Obama could have fought for the extension of unemployment benefits and a much bigger |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #267 |
271. And when next year's Republican Congress told Obama where to shove it, we would have gotten the tax |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #271 |
272. Show us where Krugman said that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #272 |
276. Sure. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #276 |
281. It's not a question of whether some kind of bailout was needed, it's how it was done |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #281 |
285. But I thought you said the bailout didn't actually help? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #285 |
288. I don't believe it did help |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. That's true that there weren't enough strings, but Krugman most certainly agrees that it helped. He |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #289 |
291. Again |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #291 |
292. Geithner's announcement of the PPIP has nothing to do with this. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #292 |
293. You're saying that the actual plan wasn't Geithner's? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #293 |
297. You are talking about one specific plan (called the PPIP) proposed by Geithner in early 2009 |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #297 |
311. An article from The Nation by Christopher Hayes and Nomi Prins |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #311 |
314. It is about percentages. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #314 |
317. Again, I never said that no bailout of the banks should have taken place |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #317 |
318. I think our disagreement is over what baseline we are using to measure how much "good" it did. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #318 |
321. Yes |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #276 |
284. Sure what? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #284 |
286. Generally, when someone says that we would have a "Great Depression II" without the bailout |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #271 |
282. No. Obama could have taken a strong stand for the extension of unemployment benefits |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #282 |
287. When Republicans control the House, Democrats cannot force them to repeatedly vote for anything. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #267 |
330. +1 |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #264 |
278. Misunderstanding the post. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #278 |
280. I think my reading of the OP on the bailout point is supported by his replies to me |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #280 |
298. Price of tax cuts for the wealthy. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #298 |
302. The only part that Obama signed is the 140 billion 2 year extension. |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #302 |
329. Silly me (guilty as charged). |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #329 |
341. Here's what I don't get about that though. |
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hay rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #341 |
358. Shades of red and blue. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:14 AM Response to Reply #358 |
373. But they will still claim cutting Social Security is required to cut the deficit regardless of the |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #278 |
290. Exactly |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
277. The Purists are naive... |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
279. Before I read all the posts above... |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
294. relentless grinding of the system |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
299. You criticize the president for "bailing wall street" but conveniently don't mention |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #299 |
306. Erroneous information on jobs growth? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
301. The wealthy/corporate class is winning the class war big time, and President Obama gives little |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
304. K and R, reason #1 Habeas Corpus WTF |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #304 |
332. +1 |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
310. I recommended this for making a great argument, but I am really sick and I can't |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
312. Wall Street vs. homeowners?! HA! |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
313. DU was "anti illegal war" during the bush era, but many DUers can care less about wars under Obama |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
323. This post is useful in that it summarizes some "self-defeating"... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #323 |
380. I don't see partial victories as defeats. I just don't get very excited about them. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
324. After reading the OP, here's my thoughts. |
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rtassi (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
331. TFC ... Dale, you have found your strong clear voice ... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #331 |
381. Thank you, Bob. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
335. I concur. It's the economic issues that matter most. Honored to kick. n/t |
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nckjm (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
336. Thank you so much for this post |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
356. Calvin & Hobbs/2012 |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
364. Excellent post! |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
365. recommended nt |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:09 AM Response to Original message |
371. I refuse to be "civil" with IDIOTS |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #371 |
379. Particularly the idiots who are robbing us blind - I completely agree. nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #371 |
383. indeed |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
389. Deleted message |
annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
395. I LIKE that Crooks and Liars exerpted from this for their 12/27 |
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