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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:54 AM
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Yes, It IS About the Oil – Who Controls the Oil….
A while back I posted this article as a backgrounder on the history of oil:

http://mygeologypage.ucdavis.edu/cowen/~gel115/115ch13oil.html

The whole thing deserves a read. I wish I could quote more from the lecture than four paragraphs, but here’s an excerpt from the secton on Libya:


Libya and The Rise of OPEC: 1955 to 1970:

The Libyan government of King Idris granted oil concessions in 1955. The Libyans were well aware of the way the petroleum industry worked, and were anxious to keep the country's oil out the hands of the majors. Most concessions were granted to independent operators. As a result, when large fields of high-quality oil were discovered, they were developed quickly, instead of being held to slow rates as in Iraq and Kuwait. Occidental Oil in particular, under the dynamic and eccentric Armand Hammer, began to produce large quantities of Libyan oil.

In 1960, Libyan production was still small, but its influence was enough to generate price cutting in the global oil market. Although open figures are not revealed, it's clear that real oil prices fell steadily during the 1960s, as more new oil came on to the market. The majors held back production in their existing Middle Eastern fields, so that the global increase in sales grew at the same steady pace. But their share of the production, and their profit margins, were suffering. Prices paid for Middle Eastern oil fell from close to $2 a barrel to more like $1.20 a barrel.

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The resulting dénouement is interesting. The Qaddafi government demanded an increase in royalties to 40¢ a barrel, targeting Occidental in particular as the largest independent company, totally dependent on its Libyan fields. Occidental, and then all the others, had to pay the increased royalty. Qaddafi had now accomplished more for Libya than OPEC had managed to do for its members since its founding in 1960. Stung or stimulated by the Libyan success, OPEC met in Venezuela in December 1970 and demanded similar increases. The majors met and agreed that they would support one another against any OPEC nation (for example, they would supply crude oil from other sources to any company whose production were cut back by an OPEC government), and they asked the US Government to turn a blind eye to the breaches of the anti-trust laws that this agreement had made. (The Justice Department agreed to do so.) The American Under Secretary of State even went to the Gulf, apparently on behalf of the majors, to talk separately to OPEC governments and to try to dissuade them from joint action. This was a clumsy diplomatic blunder, and the US Government's pressure was shrugged off: the Shah of Iran angrily stated that the majors' agreement to collaborate against OPEC was a "dirty trick."

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The Qaddafi government now rapidly began to nationalize the oil companies in Libya, taking some over outright, and forcing the others to yield 51% to the government. But in expelling the Western oil men, Qaddafi severely cut down Libyan production, and crippled the independent refiners and marketers abroad who had been taking market share away from the majors. The Libyans were able to maintain their revenues by charging higher prices for the reduced oil flow, but the majors were delighted by the outcome. They regained their market share of global output, and were able to exploit the sudden weakness of the new independents. More important, the Libyans themselves had removed the threat of Libyan production increase that had been hanging over the majors for ten years. The majors were now back in charge of most of the world's production, refining, marketing, and sales, in a global situation where the threat of overproduction had been removed.

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If you read the whole lecture, you’ll see that over the years, the majors targeted a few oil rich countries for lower production (notably Iraq and Kuwait), a few countries suppressed their own, and that this practice allowed the majors to control oil prices and geopolitical hegemony.

But, as we move to the exhaustion of reserves in favored nations (such as Saudi Arabia) and as the world’s appetite for oil increases with the economic explosion of China and India, the remaining reserves will be found in exactly those nations where oil production has been suppressed. And, while an eccentric Qaddafi may have been OK while he suppressed oil production in his country, I don’t think Western powers are comfortable with the mischief Qaddafi could wreck with the oil revenues he’s accumulating now that he’s invited Western oil companies back into his country, to say nothing of his habit of nationalizing oil production.



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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 10:57 AM
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1. The way I understand it...
Europe wasn't getting a very good oil bargain out of the deal to begin with.

If nothing else, this little "police action" by France could be motivated by them wanting to renegotiate a sweeter deal for much cheaper oil for generations to come.

Gadhafi fucked with the wrong imperialist powers this time...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:03 AM
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3. Yet to be determined
exactly who outsiders will be dealing with in what is currently called Libya but may become at least 3 three independent states as it was in times gone by.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:00 AM
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2. Thanks for that
Whatever the outcome of current events I'm guessing , as has been mentioned elsewhere in news , that China and India will now get all of the contracts - possibly as joint ventures. It may also be that Libya will in future reject petrodollars for payment and change to pricing in Euros.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 05:18 PM
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29. 'welcome. n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 11:09 AM
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4. I believe it is as well -
I've pulled up a bunch of articles this morning about this topic (including one that another thread mentioned about the potential for China/India to get contracts outside of the bidding process) - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x696576. Thank you for putting up the historical context.

"Protecting the people" is a smokescreen, they are protecting the oil flow.

The oil isn't going to last forever, of course, but the capitalists will squeeze every possible nickle out of it before moving on to other resources.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:10 PM
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5. This sentence from your thread caught my eye:
Libya has the largest proven oil reserves in Africa with 42 billion barrels of oil and over 1.3 trillion cubic metres of gas. With only 25% of Libya’s surface territory explored to date there is every chance that actual reserves could see this figure dwarfed in coming years.

With the majors back in country, there's a good chance they have a pretty good idea how big those "unexplored" reserves are.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:21 PM
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6. This is why we need a DO'H forum!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:04 AM
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33. +1
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:22 PM
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7. Except Libya was selling oil to the west without any issue
Then the west dithered the fuck out of things.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:35 PM
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8. Except that Libya is now destabilized and it gives the west opportunity to put someone
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 12:35 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
more stable than Gadaffi "in power" to make those decisions. The rebels will not run the government at the end of this. It might be the appearance of, but just wait to see what happens to the oil rights.

History repeats itself over and over again and there are some that just don't want to see it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:36 PM
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9. WHo's more stabil than a leader that's been in charge 40+ years?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:37 PM
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10. A new leader who is more pliable to our demands. n/t
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:41 PM
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12. WHy would you bother? He's got sons, a firm grip on power if he wins
A new leader has to re-stabalize and deal with Gaddafi supporters. Big pain in the ass. The argument for oil is so false in this case.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:47 PM
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15. And who do you think is going to select a new leader? We are.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:49 PM
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16. I think the rebels will
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:53 PM
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18. If it is a "rebel", it will be a US hand picked "rebel". You only have to know history, even recent
history, to see how this will end.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:54 PM
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19. Man, you americans overestimate tyouselves, even when you're knocking yourselves.
It isn't always about the USA.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:00 PM
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23. I think as a Canadian and you want to interject your own opinions about what's really going on, a
little crash course in the real history of America and foreign involvement might be in order. I also don't know how old you are, but I'm almost 60 years old and have lived, much to great sadness,through a lot of it.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:45 PM
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31. What a stupid comment
My country is in this too. As well, I refuted all your ridiculous claims on this situation
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:56 PM
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21. It isn't always about the USA
ANd even then, Obama has said the role there will not be long
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:03 PM
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24. No, it's about the US and it's "allies" and greed/survival (must have oil!). As to what Obama says,
I don't believe much of what comes out of his mouth.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:41 PM
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11. Except he's losing the "hearts and minds" and there are anti-government forces after him. Perfect
time to take this "mad man" out.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:42 PM
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13. No, nuts like this are easy to control, keep them fat
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:46 PM
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14. No, he has not been easy to control. That is just revisionist history.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:50 PM
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17. DOn't gimme the DU buzzwords
Gaddafi the last few years has become more and more friendly to the west.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:56 PM
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20. Do you recall when he became friendly to the west? Check out Lockerbie bomber. And then, you can
never trust a nut to continue to be friendly.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 12:57 PM
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22. So?
He was selling oil, shaking hands. Remember how shocked they all were? It's much easier to let him run things.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:04 PM
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25. You, yourself called him a nut!!!! How do you let a "nut" call the shots??? This is getting silly.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-11 01:04 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:20 PM
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27. How did that work out with Mubarak????
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:04 PM
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26. People said that shit about Egypt. It's slander.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:41 AM
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36. mubarak was like 80. there was going to be a succession one way or the other,
& you can google the policy papers on the us discussions over the succession.

they'd been thinking about it.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:26 PM
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28. Imagine 5 years from now and Moammar Gadhafi is the swing producer of OPEC....
Do you think that's a happy thought in Washington and European capitals?
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Runework Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:11 AM
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34. he sold to the west w/o issue?
HEYHEY wrote -"Except Libya was selling oil to the west without any issue"

not according to wikileaks- http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/23/us-gaddafi-oilcompanies-wikileaks-idUSTRE71M5Y420110223

thats just one example too. my understanding was he had higher taxes on the oil companies than other nations did

Expect more "jostlings", agent provocateurs, false flags, revolts, and wars as worldwide energy resources dwindle
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 08:33 PM
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30. Kick
:kick:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 04:42 AM
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32. Don't forget Condoleeza Rice's celebrated visit in 2008...

Rice, a former oil executive, along with Tony Blair and Italian leaders ushered in a new era of trade and investment with Libya, involving oil and gas deals worth $billions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4666486.ece
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:31 AM
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35. The presence of "the West" in Libya is about oil, oil, oil. Who...
..controls the flow, who gets the profits.


We like to think we're there for humanitarian reasons, and perhaps we can do some good along the way, but if Libya had no oil, their revolution would be a footnote on Page 10.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:41 AM
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37. It's a UN decision (not a US unilateral one) consistent with its responsibility to protect (R2P)
civilians. Is oil a factor? Always.

But the US, the UK and France tried to get the UN to invoke R2P in Burma (the generals in charge there like to call it Myanmar) in 2007, but Russia and China vetoed the resolution in the Security Council. Why? Publicly they stated that "national sovereignty" trumped Burmese civilians. Perhaps, if it's about oil and who controls it, their vetoes were really based on a belief that since Burma has no oil, "protecting its civilians" is not worth the effort.

Why did China and Russia abstain in the Security Council vote on Libya rather than veto as with Burma? I haven't seen their reasoning, but oil is one big difference.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 07:12 AM
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38. In the case of France and Canada, I think it's about elections.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 07:47 AM
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39. Timing is everything.

NATO makes it's move after the rebels are pummeled for weeks, weakening them sufficiently that they might be more pliable. Stomping on Libya's conventional forces is a piece of cake. Who wins?

Classic, they're playing Risk. Too bad about those playing pieces...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 07:48 AM
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40. K&R
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:22 AM
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41. Kick
:kick:
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