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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:05 PM
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A New Kind of Wage Slave


Corporations are getting rich using federal prisoners as captive labor pools.
Unless she’s dying or recovering from surgery, a patient at the Federal Medical Center-Carswell must work. The hospital out on the banks of Lake Worth is run by the Bureau of Prisons, and its patients are women who have been convicted of federal crimes. Bureau rules require all prisoners — even those in wheelchairs — to work at whatever jobs their infirmities will allow, from scrubbing floors to cleaning toilets.
Just across the street from the hospital complex is a camp for minimum-security women prisoners who are not ill. They get most of the hot, hard jobs — cleaning boilers, welding, mowing. The pay is a lousy 12 cents an hour with no raises. That’s why a job that many on the outside would take only as a last resort is the most coveted in the compound: Ernestine the telephone operator.
So when you call directory assistance using, say, Excel Telecommunications, chances are good your inquiry might be answered by a federal prisoner. At Carswell, a fifth of the prison workforce — most from the camp but a few from the hospital as well — get to sit in cubicles in an air-conditioned building, start at almost double the pay of the regular prison jobs, and, if they behave and don’t make mistakes, get regular raises until they reach the maximum pay of — hold onto your hat — $1.45 an hour. Of course, they have to work seven and a half years to reach that maximum. And since this center hasn’t been open long enough for anyone to make the maximum, the highest pay at Carswell is $1.15 an hour.
With toothpaste at $5.95 in the prison commissary, inmates who take those calls for Excel have to work between five and 25 hours to earn enough for one tube. But by comparison, they’re lucky: Women who work at other prison jobs have to sweat out 49 hours for the luxury of brushing their teeth.
The math on the other end is even simpler, if grander in scale: Excel, a $2.5 billion global company, comes out the clear winner. If the 19-year-old Irving-based long-distance carrier had to pay no more than minimum wage to non-prison U.S. workers to field calls from its worldwide network, it would cost the company $900 a month per worker, plus benefits and payments to Social Security. The 370 prison workers in Excel’s call center at Carswell make $180 a month at most, with no benefits.
But the Carswell prisoners are far from the only ones participating in this exercise in government-assisted capitalism.
How many people know that when they dial 411, the operator at the other end of the call is often a federal prisoner? Or that when they call to reserve a camping space at a national park, the person taking their personal information may be sitting in a cubicle in a maximum-security prison? Or that the body armor for the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan is being manufactured by federal inmates?

--snip--
http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/prison-police-industrial-complex/32894-new-kind-wage-slave.html
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:11 PM
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1. Workhouses are just so 19th century. (Well, they are older than that but
Edited on Sat Dec-25-10 09:12 PM by GreenPartyVoter
I always associate them with the Victorian era. Dickens I guess.)
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:59 AM
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39. Capitalism A Love Story is an important documentary to see at this time
Remember a while back when it was in the news that a Penn judge was sending kids to a juvenile detention center and getting kickbacks. The movie addresses that . 11 months for putting up that the asst. principal had no sense of humor or something like that. The staff at the private detention center made the decision as to when the children could be let out.I'll bet the staff was making mimi mum wage.

Pilots on food stamps.Remember when Raygun wouldn't allow air traffic controllers a raise and they all quit? Now we have TSA gropers? Our govt. does not want US to travel ...why? Would we see how capitalism has ruined this country by going to say Flint Michigan? Or Detroit?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:30 PM
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55. Absolutely. An excellent film!
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:29 PM
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68. I remember these stories. n/t
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:12 PM
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2. Who needs off-shoring?
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 04:29 AM
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30. Damn right. And when a corporation tries to "do the right thing" by giving jobs
to prisoners, well, just look at all the criticism they get. Hell, it's no wonder they'd rather send their jobs overseas. After all, there are people in third-world countries we have yet to infiltrate that would be damn happy to work for 10 cents an hour. And yet US prisoners are sooooo far above that that even with an extra 2 cents/hr thrown in because the company feels a patriotic duty to hire Americans first, they still bitch and moan.

I swear, there's just no pleasing some people.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:34 AM
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33. 5.95 for toothpaste
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 08:36 AM by The Flaming Red Head
and they don't have to pay into SS or pay health benefits. Commissary is so expensive just for toiletries. And don't even mention phoning home that's where they take advantage of Mom, Dad, and Grandma. Don't think you or your family are above this, only the very rich (and sometimes not even them) can afford a proper defense these days. It's to the advantage of these prisons industries to retain their captive workforce as long as possible and to make sure that there are enough prisoners in the system to fill the jobs. Wonder why there are so many unemployed in the US, you don't have to look any further than the subject of this article. Never mind outsourcing when you can in source to the prisons.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:41 AM
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38. I owe my soul to the Company Store.
Nothing has changed.
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:55 PM
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72. I wonder if they have to buy their own toilet paper too.
I was surprised to learn that they have to buy toothpaste as I figured basic necessities like that would be provided for them. And how is it even legal for the Bureau of Prisons to require people to work? Work should be voluntary and limited to providing prison services, etc., not working for outside companies for pennies an hour. And if they work for outside companies, how come the minimum wage law doesn't apply?

I wonder if Bernie Madoff is forced to work for 12 cents/hour.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:16 PM
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:27 PM
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4. Our own gulag system
The Sovietization of the United States as predicted by Yuri Bezmenov is virtually complete.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:59 AM
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50. Except that the people think they're free
People in the old Soviet Union made Yakov Smirnoff-type jokes about their lack of freedom. People in the United States sing "I'm proud to be an American, 'cause at least I know I'm free".
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:25 PM
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62. As the American hero Forrest Gump once said, "Stupid is as stupid does." nt
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 02:26 PM by valerief
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:24 PM
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66. Sorry, but if you knew anything
about the Soviet Gulag system, you wouldn't even dream of making such a despicable comparison.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:29 PM
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67. I do know some things about the Soviet gulag system
and forced labor, political crimes - just as we have today here in the US - were the order of the day.

Although there was probably less rape going on in the gulags.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:37 PM
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70. "political crimes" in Stalinist Russia
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 04:08 PM by skepticscott
consisted of such things as praising non-Soviet goods, telling anti-Soviet jokes and having anti-Soviet dreams, as well as any number of other things that no sane and decent person would regard as criminal. All of these entailed a sentence of 25 years forced labor (or until you died, which was likely to be much sooner), plus additional time in exile, assuming you lasted that long.

Please, then, since you are a declared expert....give us the equivalent crimes and punishments in our prison system.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:40 PM
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5. Wow. "Arbeit macht frei" was the slogan above Nazi labor/concentration camps
"Work makes you free"...

Since the US has more of its people locked up in prison than any other country in the world, it has now become the successor of the Nazi regime.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 09:48 PM
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6. Yep (n/t).
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:53 PM
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12. ridiculous and offensive hyperbole.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:39 AM
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27. ...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:46 AM
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43. filled with logical fallacies
ahistorical and sophomoric.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:00 PM
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64. Name two. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:39 PM
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:01 AM
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35. Pot heads are usually docile
and make good fodder for the Prison Industrial Complex.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:53 PM
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19. True that.
The US could teach the regime a thing or two.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:09 PM
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7. Slavery is correct. We need to close some prisons.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:18 PM
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65. I disagree with your assessment
I believe we need to change the population, from those currently there to the CEO's of these companies who exploit not only this group of people but so very many more.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:26 PM
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8. And most of them seem to be MINORITIES, funny that!
:grr:
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 04:15 AM
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29. Pure coincidence, I'm sure.
Oh wait, maybe it's because there are more African-Americans in this country than whites. No...the numbers don't work out. Let's see...I got it! More crimes are "committed" by African-Americans and other minorities. That explains why their incarceration numbers are exponentially disproportionately slightly higher. Yeah, that's it!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:33 PM
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9. How awful! The article is very enlightening. This article exposes
yet another corporate manipulation occurring in the U.S. Our country has become a scary place. imho
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:43 PM
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10. The article states that inmates 'must' work. What happens if an
inmate refuses to work? I read a thread here about a week ago about a prison strike at several Georgia prisons. Somehow I lost the thread and have not found it again.
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 10:51 PM
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11. "if an inmate refuses to work
inmate gets thrown in the box"
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:04 PM
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13. Jesus, pray tell, what is the 'box'?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:44 PM
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15. Solitary confinement
Locked in a small cell 23 hours a day, only allowed one hour for shower/exercise; when you do exercise, it's usually in an isolated area, again by yourself.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:52 PM
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18. Figured as much. So here's a thought experiment: what if every
inmate in a given facility refused to work? The jail administrators could not place every inmate in that facility in solitary, could they?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:40 AM
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22. It's called lockdown. /nt
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toastbutter Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:49 PM
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71. It's a movie quote,.. Cool Hand Luke
Carr: Them clothes got laundry numbers on them. You remember your number and always wear the ones that has your number. Any man forgets his number spends a night in the box. These here spoons you keep with you. Any man loses his spoon spends a night in the box. There's no playing grab-ass or fighting in the building. You got a grudge against another man, you fight him Saturday afternoon. Any man playing grab-ass or fighting in the building spends a night in the box. First bell's at five minutes of eight when you will get in your bunk. Last bell is at eight. Any man not in his bunk at eight spends the night in the box. There is no smoking in the prone position in bed. To smoke you must have both legs over the side of your bunk. Any man caught smoking in the prone position in bed... spends a night in the box. You get two sheets. Every Saturday, you put the clean sheet on the top... the top sheet on the bottom... and the bottom sheet you turn in to the laundry boy. Any man turns in the wrong sheet spends a night in the box. No one'll sit in the bunks with dirty pants on. Any man with dirty pants on sitting on the bunks spends a night in the box. Any man don't bring back his empty pop bottle spends a night in the box. Any man loud talking spends a night in the box. You got questions, you come to me. I'm Carr, the floor walker. I'm responsible for order in here. Any man don't keep order spends a night in...
Luke: ...the box.
Carr: I hope you ain't going to be a hard case.
Luke: .
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:02 AM
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25. Georgia Prison Strike: A Hidden Labor Force Resists
You can almost hear the zero-tolerance conservatives in Washington now: how dare these criminals demand better treatment from the state? The official reaction was to immediately curtail what few resources the inmates possess. According to news reports, prison staff locked down four facilities, attempted to transfer out the leading troublemakers, cut off the hot water, and revoked cell phone privileges (yes, according to Facing South, "Cell phones are contraband in Georgia's prisons, but widely available for sale from correctional officers.")

The strike was called off after six days, following reports of violent crackdowns and rising fears that the situation would escalate. But by then, the inmates had made their mark with one of the largest prison protests in U.S. history. The decision to end the strike, moreover, seems like the beginning of another phase in the inmates' collective action, now that they've caught national political attention. The AJC reported:

an inmate at Smith State Prison in Glenville said in a telephone interview prisoners had agreed to end their “non-violent” protest to allow administrators time to focus on their concerns rather than operating the institutions without inmate labor.

"We've ended the protest,” said Mike, a convicted armed robber who was one of the inmates who planned and coordinated the work stoppage. “We needed to come off lock down so we can go to the law library and start... the paperwork for a lawsuit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-chen/georgia-prison-strike-a-h_b_798928.html

well over 600,000, and probably close to a million, inmates are working full time in jails and prisons throughout the United States.

Perhaps some of them built your desk chair: office furniture, especially in state universities and the federal government, is a major prison labor product. Inmates also take hotel reservations at corporate call centers, make body armor for the U.S. military, and manufacture prison chic fashion accessories, in addition to the iconic task of stamping license plates.

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:11 AM
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44. Thank you so much for this. Have now bookmarked the link. Thisst
story should be at receiving a lot of attention from DU, since it is nowhere on the MSM's radar.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:49 PM
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16. This is the inevitable
and distasteful progression only possible in a for-profit corrections system.

Bluntly, someone is profiting from this cheap labour and they need to be exposed.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:49 PM
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17. K & R
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:56 PM
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20. I tell people this and they refuse to believe it. That's why our prison population
is so high.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:31 AM
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21. Land of the free!
slavery-emancipation-jim crow-slavery.
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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:10 AM
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23. Revolution. Revolution. Revolution.
Some people think we are trespassing on their world. Revolution. . .
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:03 AM
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41. Let's start by not spending money anywhere that uses prison/slave labor
Wal Mart comes to mind. In the movie Capitalism A Love Story that I mentioned above. Some corporations, Wal Mart in particular, takes out life insurance policies on employees. Not for the families , but for themselves. The employees are called peasants.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:53 AM
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24. k/r
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Cardcaptor Roosevelt Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:34 AM
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26. The injustices of the world...
...they are rife.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:07 AM
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28. Not only is this illegal, but insane as well.
Saw a program on this a few years back, where prisoners were working the call centers for some retail operations, sorry, forget which ones.

Anyway, these prisoners were able to use the information you gave them in the ordering process to rip off your ID and make a small killing, even while still in prison. The authorities went on to reassure the public that they've made changes, and that your information is now safe, but really now, do you trust them?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:34 AM
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31. K&R
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:26 AM
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32. This is a pure and simple violation of the 13th as interpreted by Bailey v. Alabama.
You can not compel people to work in this manner. It's basically legal peonage.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:32 PM
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69. Hogwash
This has nothing to do with Bailey whatsoever. The plaintiff in Bailey was NOT a convicted criminal in prison. The 13th Amendment explicitly PERMITS involuntary servitude as part of the punishment for convicted criminals.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:49 AM
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34. This from the Daily Kos. INSOURCING
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 08:52 AM by The Flaming Red Head
INSOURCING - The National Correctional Industries Association...

ShareNew 0by Bob Sloan

Sat Nov 27, 2010 at 02:52:12 PM PST

The National Correctional Industries Association - NCIA- is a private non-profit "Association" dedicated to promoting and growing prison industries nationwide. They exist to promote prison industry expansion and growth in a manner similar to the American Legislative Exchange Council's - ALEC- pursuit of expanding and increasing corporate profits and influence within our governments - state and federal.


AND:

For the NCIA ALEC's model and proposed legislation fits nicely: it increases the number of inmates in prison and thus the number of potential workers for their prison industries.

Joint efforts of these two groups combined, cause an increase in manufacturing behind prison fences. This contributes to the steady loss of private sector jobs and diminishing wages for the jobs still remaining within the private sectors - Insourcing in it's rawest form.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/11/27/175212/74
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:11 AM
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36. White, middle class folk turn away and won't care


until they realize that they live in AMerica, where EVERY industry is a GROWTH industry.

That means they will need more and more imprisoned people to work these slave wage jobs.


The Prison industry will have their kids before long. Then we will see outrage.


K & R



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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:14 PM
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53. The Prison industry will have their kids before long
Yep, if the military doesn't get them first...
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:42 PM
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57. Not sure whether I qualify as 'middle class' but I am white and I
think this is an absolute outrage.

Things may be starting to change a bit, though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-chen/georgia-prison-strike-a-h_b_798928.html

Granted, this story is about the Georgia state prison system, but the same principles of inmate self-organization and non-violent resistance should cross over easily to any prison system where the same exploitation is occuring.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:05 PM
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74. My comment came out one-sided


the other side is that poor people, people of color, people with very few options, tend to internalize this Prison Industry exploitation.

They don't fight it because the system has them beaten down. Their families are ashamed and barely getting by themselves. What ignorance hasn't kept from them, their churches have.

What rights?

When the Growth reaches its tentacles up into the next tier of slaves, it will enslave those of the next higher caste. And they may not be as conditioned to accept it as the very weakest among us.

That's the other side of the statement. :)




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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:23 AM
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37. this is why we have the highest % in the WORLD of our population in prison
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:59 AM
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40. Is why I posted THIS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x538447


*Contributionism* (you should take a look..very interesting and informative TRUTH!)


knr!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:34 AM
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42. Well, if they can't get slaves by purchasing them at auction, by god, they'll just lock 'em up
and force them to work. My coal-mining progenitors in Eastern Tennessee went to war with the state in the 1890's to stop this sort of back-door slavery in the mines there (with some success). If the people don't stand up and fight the fucking Corporations, this will only get worse. :grr:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:12 PM
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52. Hear, hear!!!
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 12:13 PM by maryf
and amen, time to take a stand...Storm the Bastille (remember it was a prison)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:19 AM
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45. So when do Bush n Cheney start?
They lied America into two illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars. That's worse than about anything except treason, and they did that, too.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:03 PM
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56. Not soon enough. n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:20 AM
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46. Honda was using prisoner labor to build cars in Ohio and everyone loves their Hondas
Took the UAW to expose and put an end to the practice. The non-union Honda workers who were aware of the practice couldn't complain about it for fear of being fired themselves. Imagine trying to compete against prison laborers who make .30 cents an hour on your own job?

Don
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JEB Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:38 AM
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47. Wikipedia says
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 11:39 AM by JEB
"The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. The U.S. incarceration rate on June 30, 2009 was 748 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents, or 0.75%. The USA also has the highest total documented prison and jail population in the world."


Freedumb on the march.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:51 AM
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48. Mobility of convict labor in crazy capitalism next?
China’s use of prison labor in developing countries
Brahma Chellaney

China has devised a novel strategy to relieve pressure on its overcrowded prisons: Use convicts as labourers on oversea s projects in the developing world.

http://www.thedominican.net/2010/08/china-use-of-prison.html


Communists spreading capitalistic labor? Getting really weird and scary, these financial masters of the globe.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:53 AM
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49. The USA, home of the for profit prisons. USA, USA, USA!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:11 PM
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51. “the cell block has replaced the auction block”
Yusef Komunyakaa

K&R
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:16 PM
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54. Something is wrong here, because prisoners are in custody of the
state; shouldn't it at least be the state that gets whatever profit of their labor exists?

and if corporations can employ them, why don't they have to pay minimum wage at least?

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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:57 PM
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59. My guess is
that politicians/states are cheap to buy off and therefore, won't feel the need to look behind the curtain to discover how poorly treated a bunch of "criminals" are. Out of sight, out of mind. QED.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:48 AM
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75. Either there's an exemption, or on paper they do pay minimum...
...but most of the money doesn't go to the prisoner. Most of the wage may go to the prison to help "defray" the cost of incarceration (not that minimum would defray much).
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:52 AM
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76. If the state gets the profit of their labor, that's profit an outside contractor isn't making...
...and who contributes to political campaigns? Certainly not prisoners.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:47 PM
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58. This is shameful
I'd like to see the people responsible for this do some long prison time.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:55 PM
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63. Terrifying if you connect the dots
and see how neatly prison labor forces fit into the bigger picture.

I can't stand listening to Alex Jones for a number of reasons, but his warning cries about a "prison planet" being created by means of worldwide "info wars" do ring my bells.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:10 PM
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60. And now I understand why we have corporate prisons
Feel like an idiot for not seeing this before. Whenever they need more workers, they just lock 'em up and put 'em to work! No incentive to get them out of jail.

What a world.
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Saxon Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:24 PM
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61. Most of the money goes to pay fines.
In the federal just-us system almost every sentence includes a fine. Sometime in the millions of dollars.
So not only do they pay shit wages but most of the money is taken from the inmates and given to the government.
This theft of wages continues even after release from prison.
It's all about the money folks.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:58 PM
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73. and apparently the prison commissary sells things like toothpaste for $5.
pretty much guarantees prisoners work for free.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:53 AM
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77. Of course prisoners have to work! They have to pay their rents!
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 10:54 AM by conspirator
:sarcasm:
The rich elites cannot stand the thought of someone living without paying anything. Except if that someone belongs to their family.
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