Grover norquist tells states go bankrupt you'll feel better...

[butterfly77]

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/grover-norquist-states-go-bankrupt-itll-fee


Grover Norquist is only one conservative of many calling out for states to declare bankruptcy. Why? To kill unions, of course. His editorial in The Republico (Politico) doesn't say that outright, but it's his goal, nevertheless.

Citing acolyte Governor Chris Christie, Norquist writes that states' "day of reckoning has arrived." Norquist avoids the "u" word while listing every other "ill" plaguing states' budgets:

Many states, including those with the country’s largest population centers, are now on a path to insolvency. This is primarily due to fiscally promiscuous lawmakers, skyrocketing Medicaid costs and unsustainable gold-plated government employee pension plans that most Americans could never dream of.

These states’ ballooning obligations simply cannot be met without either soaking state taxpayers or federal assistance — read: taking taxpayer dollars from properly managed states.

Heading into 2011, states are facing an overspendin

[tabatha]

1. Grover Norquist was the architect

of the Bush tax cuts. This was his desired outcome. The man is pure evil.

Liked this post on the article:

"Don't paint them as being completely shallow, they have an ass load of racial hatred too."

[xchrom]

2. I hate that bastard. Nt

[calimary]

6. Take a number.

:mad:

[Warpy]

7. Come the revolution, I want him in the first tumbril

Torturers and insurance company executives can wait their turn.

[safeinOhio]

3. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization." for some the price is, apparently, to high.

[applegrove]

4. Unions! Just hold on for a few years. Baby boomers will be retiring and it should be

an employees market then. Hold on. Don't concede anything!!!

[Cosmocat]

17. Actually ... The job market is never going back ...

First, a good portion of the "unemployment" right now is older folks who might have retired already, but with the downturn in the market three years ago have stayed in the workforce because their retirement savings were crippled up - backlogging the work force, not as many positions opending due to people staying in the work force ...

Second, the issues with jobs are only going to continue to exist, and get a little worse over time - outsourcing of manufacturing jobs ... We aren't getting back what we have lost, we are only going to continue to lose them ...

Third, another primary issue with lost jobs - efficiency, will not regress and only get more pronounced ... It is not even just in manufacturing ... I mean, with new bookkeeping software, it takes one person to do the job of several accountants now ...

Fourth, our entering workforce will not shrink - there is no relief on the front end ...

[applegrove]

29. But don't forget about health care. I worked at a cancer centre as an

administrative assistant (this was in canada). They estimated that they would grow by 80% as the boomers aged. And so they were already making plans to expand 3 years ago.

[WinkyDink]

33. Try not to sound gleeful at the prospect of our getting cancer.

[applegrove]

35. Oh you! LOL!

[snappyturtle]

5. Must read article. Explains a lot. Thank you. nt

[pacalo]

8. Notice that nothing EVER is mentioned about corporations putting most of their

profits into their CEOs' salaries & retirement pensions. "Fiscally promiscuous", indeed. What a screwed-up mind.

[RandomThoughts]

9. That is within context of money law.

If a state goes bankrupt, it is still in money law, all a state has to do is nationalize a buisness, and they are solvent.

They can only be bankrupt on the playing field of those that want them bankrupt.

What they are missing in that issue is that people would follow money laws after those laws lead to such effects, showing the laws are not valid laws.


Interestingly it is often called anarchy to remove government, what many want is a money law in effect, where the money you have determines everything you have or do, and then they print the money.


It makes sense why they want all laws based on money, by removing the moral component, they can elevate there status by leaves stuffed in their jackets.

[NHDemProg]

10. Great...

More rethuglicans telling us to, "Die quickly," only this time on a state level. Yeah, conservatives--who needs those roads, police, or fire departments? After all, wasn't it in a RED state that they let some poor guy's house burn down not long ago?

[Gman]

11. Another mentally disurbed individual that has credibility for some bizarre reason

so did Klaus Barbi, Josef Mengele, Herman Goering, Adolph Hitler, et al.

[butterfly77]

16. The reason is,,,

their base thinks they are rich which some are but not most,and they think they are real americans and the rest of americans are the others..

[DonCoquixote]

12. Jane Hamsher lost a lot of credibility

When she worked with this clown.

If she wanted to make a point, there are plenty of right wing people she could have worked with, but not this fellow, that hides behind money while playing kingmaker behind the scenes.

[Hello_Kitty]

23. Yet when President Obama works with similar clowns he is hailed.

Why is that?

[DonCoquixote]

24. Because

Jane, unlike Barack, had the ability to PICK who she worked with. She could have picked any number of GOP politicians, or even bloggers (like Drudge, for example, or even FDL's opposite, Free Republic) She chose to work with Grover, giving him publicity and credibility he did not need. While we wish Barry O would be more confrontational with the GOP, the truth is, once you get to Washington, you do not have us much freedom to avoid working with the scum that your fellow Americans elected, unlike someone who runs and owns their own Blog. Heck, A Blog grants you freedom, since it is your show, and no one else's. Jane has more freedom than even, let's say, the editor of Slate magazine, or even Skinner here, because everyone knows FDL is her show.

[Arkana]

26. Because Barack is the President of the United States

and represents those clowns.

Jane is a talking head who can CHOOSE who she hops into bed with.

Understood? Or should I use smaller words?

[DonCoquixote]

30. You said it

better than I could.

Really, there are tons of right wingers she could have done business with that would not have gained as much from it.

[CoffeeCat]

13. I worry about a friend and her family...

They have no savings and no 401k. She is a stay-at-home mom and her
husband makes a low six-figure salary working for the state. She says
she is not worried about their lack of savings, because of the pension
her husband will rec'v. It is pretty substantial. However, he won't
be retiring for 15 years.

I guess I'm a skeptic, but I cannot imagine relying on that pension
being there in 15 years. There are too many vultures circling.

Articles like this validate my fears about this.

I'm sure there are many people who are relying on those pensions. One
effect of those pensions, is that some people might not save as much--because
they feel that the great pension will be there for them.

So many people will be destitute and in complete financial ruin if those state
pensions are gone. What will people do, if they have only 15 years to retirement,
and suddenly everything is gone and they have very little time to save for
retirement?

[Big_Mike]

25. I worry about my family

I work a mid 5 figure job.

The only guarantee I have about my job is that I was employed yesterday. Today and tomorrow may be another story.

Pension? 401k that had to be reduced and borrowed from due to my wife's medical emergencies and a now permanent condition. I pay $500 a month for insurance.

Yet govt employees are kicking and screaming about having to kick in for benefits and pensions?

Break out the symphony of tiny violins!

[sudopod]

28. So everyone else should get shafted too to be fair? nt

[Historic NY]

14. Hey no taxes, cops, fireman, teachers , or roads...no salaries to pay.

I doubt people will work for less or no moeny.

[butterfly77]

27. Who will protect the republiCONS...

when the people come to kick their asses..

[WinkyDink]

34. Blackwater.

[Hannah Bell]

15. these people are flat-out traitors.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. That man is pure evil.

[butterfly77]

19. This mfker is getting...

what he has been wanting for years. Bankrupting the country so that everything he disagrees with can't be supported except war,which most of them love because it takes away from all of the resources of the country,.

this is why they kept going on and on during the bush years to keep it going as long as possible a day would not pass without us seeing the three musketeers,McCain,Leiberman,Lindsay graham and a lot of other assorted nuts who showed up on tv to push it..

Once they knew that the Democrats or President Obama more specifically was going to win they began making sure we were entangled in all types of wars so that it would be hard to leave once Obama took office,even though they had been doing it throughout the Bush years.

They were pushing really hard for Bush to bomb Iran during the primaries and they are still trying it,now they are all over tv talking about the rotc in colleges and the draft,they never get enough..

[Harry Monroe]

20. What a disgusting piece of shit!!

He is a worthless scumbag. A vile, poor excuse for a human being.

[butterfly77]

22. And there are...

many more they have been all over the tv,lately some I haven't seen for a couple of years they are back now because they are emboldened because of the election.

It will not turn out the way they see it in their warped minds,it will not be pretty.

[silverlib]

21. I wonder - did he feel the same about the banks? n/t

[jmowreader]

31. What's in it for Grover Norquist?

And is it possible to deport the fucker to Somalia before he screws up the entire world? He is, right now, attempting to bankrupt the US, which will pull down the rest of the world since so many foreign countries are invested in US Treasuries.

[WinkyDink]

32. Darn those pesky workers and the poor!