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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:03 PM
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Koch donations: $43,000 to Scott Walker. $87,000 to Andrew Cuomo.
I did a search and saw that someone did post about this on the 18th. It did not get a lot of attention, and several called her a troll for posting about it.

That's how we lose our democracy, by ignoring things like this.

I don't know a lot about Cuomo as governor, but I do know he made a promise to go after the unions of public employees. He especially does not like teachers unions.

Andrew Cuomo, his running mate, and "New Democratic Party" to fight public employee unions?

It was just 24 hours after the debut of the "New Democratic Party" signs up here at the site of the party's convention in Westchester. Attorney General Andrew Cuomo was in midtown making public the results of his first critical deliberation as a candidate for governor. In choosing Rochester Mayor Robert Duffy as his running mate, Cuomo got a career cop who evidently turned around the city of Rochester by restoring public integrity, improving municipal services and cutting taxes. But that's not all.

..."In Duffy, Cuomo has chosen a potential lieutenant governor who stands for strong executive authority, especially in education. Duffy has been trying to follow in the footsteps of Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who's taken power from local school boards and put it in the mayor's office.

..."The head of the local teachers' union, which vehemently opposes Duffy's approach, told local TV that Duffy's move sharply divided the community. No doubt what the teachers, some parents and community members see as a mayoral power grab, Duffy and advocates for mayoral control, such as Bloomberg, see as ensuring accountability.

That drive for accountability is also expressed in Cuomo's support for lifting of the state's cap on charter schools. So on education, the "New Democrats" are aligning with President Barack Obama, Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Bloomberg, Reverend Al Sharpton, and even New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie in backing the expansion of charters.


Ok, that really got my attention. But there was more...from the state convention of New Democrats.

"What the Democratic Party is all about is growth and change," Cuomo said. "It's a new day. There are new problems that need new approaches. And that is what's meant by the new Democratic Party."

Erie County Democratic Chairman Len Lenihan is attending the convention. When asked about the "New Democratic Party" theme, he said the party will be going in a new direction. One change from the "old" Democratic party seems to be the willingness of Cuomo and his running mate Robert Duffy to take on a powerful constituency -- the public employee unions. Duffy has battled with union leaders in Rochester over some of his controversial proposals, including his call for more control of city schools. Cuomo says he respects that.

"Yes, he tangled with public employee unions," Cuomo said. "Guess what, we're going to be tangling with public employee unions going forward."


For now, the Civil Service Employees Association says it won't be endorsing Cuomo or any other gubernatorial candidate, anytime soon.


From an education blogger at Norm's Notes:

The contributions from Mr. Koch and his wife Julia to the Cuomo campaign totalled $87,000. In comparison Koch only spent $43K on Gov. Scott walker of Wisconsin.

He has some comments and links to the few sites that have covered this. One is a right wing site and one is a union site.

The contributions from Mr. Koch and his wife Julia to the Cuomo campaign totalled $87,000; In comparison Koch only spent $43K on Gov. Scott walker of Wisconsin.
Koch brothers in total gave Cuomo $92K. Explains why he’d rather cut education funds than tax the rich.

Where has the MSM been on this? have you seen any stories in the papers?

Only one I can find is Dan Janison of Newsday here: http://www.newsday.com/columnists/dan-janison/koch-brothers-become-new-political-players-1.2745933

See also http://theunionlegion.blogspot.com/2011/02/andrew-cuomo-koch-problem.html

http://www.futureofcapitalism.com/2010/09/david-koch-funds-andrew-cuomo


Comments from the Union Legion website:

Andrew Cuomo's Koch Problem

I was handed the flyer below by a student at yesterday's rally in support of Wisconsin Public Employees and Worker's Rights by a student. I foolishly forgot to ask his name so that he could get proper attribution for his work. However, he did some leg work I was planning on doing and, low and behold, he found what I expected would be the case -- Andrew Cuomo has a Koch habit.

As you can see in the pdf below, Cuomo has accepted $92,000 from the Kochs -- yes those Kochs who are working as hard as possible to eliminate the Human Right of Collective Bargaining in Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinios, and New Jersey. The very same people, so addicted to greed that they feel entitled to trample on the lower and middle classes in their quest to acquire more.

In case you were wondering if this was faked, I went and checked it out myself. Granted, the first time I did it was the really dumb, hard way of scrolling through names (I didn't see the link for the search page!). As this student demonstrates, there is an easier way. You can check for yourself by going to the New York State Campaign Financial Disclosure Database's Search Page and entering the search criteria he outlined above (Andrew Cuomo 2014, Inc.; 1/1/2009 to 1/1/2011; donations from $1 to $100000). If you want to skip entering everything online, you would get this page. Then, just hit <alt>F in your browser to find text and enter "Koch". You can see for yourself.

Union Legion blog


One of the links, the Union Legion site, has the search page for donations at the New York State Board of Elections.

Cuomo's Koch problem

In fact the chart shows that the total Koch family donation to Cuomo was $92,000,


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:07 PM
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1. Sigh. He's been sounding so very, very Republican.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:32 PM
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50. I warned all my teacher friends not to vote for this guy. They thought I was acting crazy.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 06:33 PM by erodriguez
Thanks Mad for bring this up about my lousy "New Dem" governor. A Real Dem assemblyman said recently as he protested Cuomo's "All Cuts" budget. That if this was what being a New Dem is he wants no part of it.

Here is a little extra insight on Cuomo's real agenda.


Cuomo Budget Cuts Education Funding For Blind, Deaf And Disabled Children



Gov. Cuomo wants to slash state funding to schools for the blind, deaf and severely disabled -- and he's asking local school districts to pick up the tab, our Daniel Beekman reports:

Cuomo's proposed budget eliminates all direct funding to 11 schools serving such children - including three in the Bronx, one in Queens and one in Brooklyn.

"To do this to our kids is just not right," said Jeannette Christie of Throgs Neck, the Bronx, whose son suffers from a rare vision disorder and attends the New York Institute for Special Education in her home borough. "These schools are needed."


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/02/cuomo-budget-cuts-education-funding-for-blind-deaf-and-disabled-children
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:23 AM
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55. He got elected because of his name. The guy is the worst kind of DINO. n/t
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:07 PM
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2. Ouch and double ouch. Money talks doesn't it? Sad.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:14 PM
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5. We're all Republicans now.
They won.

Unless more information like this gets out there. I still believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the grandest and most glorious purpose the Internet can serve is to replace the corporate press as the main conduit for information. Knowledge is power, and the Internet is the hypercortex of an emerging world brain with sense organs wherever there is a geeky kid with a videocamera.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:47 PM
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9. That's what's so sick.
Reagan is a saint.
War is peace.
Trickle down works.
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roberto IS beto Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:49 PM
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14. Besides dismantling unions,
What services will Cuomo provide to get the Koch money?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:09 PM
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3. Wow.
Following the thread through the Labyrinth…
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:53 PM
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27. Like your blog.
Just linked to it from your sig line. I am learning that so many DUers have great blogs on the side.

:hi:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 10:43 AM
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44. Glad you liked it.
I really ought to write more stuff for it, but mostly what I do is write psych/technical stuff (taking little DU breaks about a dozen times a day), so it's hard to get fired up to do more regularly.

And while I have your attention, I want to say that you are certainly pone of the few reliable major contributors to this board. Your work is always amazing, deep, immeasurably valuable. I don't always comment, but I always read your OPs.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:10 PM
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4. THANKS for posting this
I didn't see it the first time around. This is so disgusting, those brothers have their dirty fingers in everything! :puke: The average working person is so screwed. :mad:
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:17 PM
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6. K&R...n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:43 PM
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7. Somebody here called a troll because they say something other DUers don't like to hear?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:47 PM
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12. Happens a lot.
And it shouldn't happen at all.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:54 PM
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15. That's right. Minority opinions and voices get bullied and belittled with a favorite DU put-down
like "thank you for your concern".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:13 AM
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31. Yes, I have heard that one before.
Many times.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 05:45 PM
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8. K&R before going to links
2 points

1) In addition to the Walker donations, Koch Bros did give a lot of money (over $1 million) to the repub organization that spent something like 3.4 million to defeat Walker's opponent. But that's besides the point of your post

2) I have wondered about Cuomo ever since the new mortgage laws that he wrote came to light. Some of my work is for an independent mortgage broker - yes, an honest one! The new laws that went into effect a little over a year ago were supposed to protect consumers, of course. :eyes: But all I saw from the working side of it is that it made it a LOT more difficult for independent brokers to survive, driving consumers to the big direct lenders. The law also eliminates the incentives for a broker or lender to continue to monitor a loan that is in process. Before, we'd try to re-negotiate a rate down just before a loan closes if rates had dropped, but now the process makes it virtually impossible to make that sort of change. Who loses? The borrowers, of course, and small brokers who are in competition with the direct lenders.

So where do the banks all fit into this picture? I'm going to the links now, to see if this will shed some light on it.

Thanks for posting again, and bringing it to our attention. :yourock:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:02 PM
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10. True about republican donations that filtered to Walker.
But I fear they are going to be calling in favors from Cuomo that would not be expected of a Democratic governor.

You know, they are doing some awfully strange things about mortgage laws in Florida as well. I don't write about financial stuff I don't understand....but they are really going to harm many middle class mortage holders.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:19 PM
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11. The laws that Cuomo wrote
were federal laws that were implemented on Jan 01 last year, so they would have hit Florida in addition to any state laws that have been added. If you asked me at the time, I would have told you that I thought that the big banks wrote the new laws. They end up being the only ones who gained.

Borrowers lost, brokers lost, appraisers lost...

Big banks gained, as did these spin-off "appraisal servicing" firms that now have to serve as middle-man for the appraisals. We had relationships with appraisers who were great - they would show up on time, have reports in within hours of the inspection, and they knew the local markets. Now we have to deal with whatever tom, dick or harry is provided, regardless of where he's from or how long he decides to take to get the work done. OK, so now I'm just whining. Off to my reading! :hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 06:49 PM
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13. The Money Party...sigh k&r
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 07:15 PM
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16. Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Koch = bad news for all citizens -- esp. NY State/City -- -- !!
Edited on Mon Mar-21-11 07:19 PM by defendandprotect
Wm. Greider was talking about this in his book which I'm rereading --

and in fact he was discussing how in '78 -- 1978 -- Demoocrats were collaborating with the

Repugs on changing the tax codes for the benefit of the elites -- if I recall correctly

ending up giving them a 36% tax break!

This is from his book "Who Will Tell the People?" which I've read before, but just took

out of the library to post a few excerpts from the book -- or to paraphras sections of it.

Soon, I hope!!


At this point differences between the two parties are fading fast --

and we had best ensure that we have "somewhere to go" -- !!

Somewhere to the LEFT!!!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:41 PM
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18. The "democratic" think tanks have led the way in doing away with partisanship.
They make it sound so wonderful everyone to be on the same page. It isn't though. It's dangerous to Democracy.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 07:50 PM
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17. K&R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzULm4d8h8w">
Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary



- Or, a two-headed monster intent upon devouring us all......
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 08:43 PM
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19. :facepalm:
ugh

Thanks for the post
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:14 PM
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20. We need a facepalm avatar here.
Very definitely.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:16 PM
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21. HUGE K & R !!!
:mad:

:kick:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:26 PM
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22. Thank you for posting this. K&R.
Another Dem, bought and paid for. I can see why he echos the anti-teacher rhetoric of Bloomberg.

***SIGH***

And some in the party wonder where the apathy comes from...
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:28 PM
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23. Ugh. That is so discouraging. I voted for the guy, too! (Cuomo, not Walker)...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 09:40 PM
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24. When I read about his attacks on teachers' unions last year...
I wondered..but sounds like he is just sounding like his benefactor, Koch.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:12 PM
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25. kick
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:29 PM
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26. k&r
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 10:58 PM
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28. Wow, I guess he was too good to be true.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:45 PM
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29. Maybe he will only go after public unions, and be okay about other things.
That seems to be the trend in both parties...to get rid of teachers' unions and those of firefighters and policemen.

Just a bit of sarcasm, I guess.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:32 AM
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32. They're making an example of them as they are the best known to terrify all.
A dismantling govt. to sell off the remaining public assets of the country to highest bidder and leave no arbiter between us and the corporatists. This would have been called un-American at one time.

Not only that, they are crushing the soul of people who really love and are committed to people over power and profits. Don't get me wrong, some public employees are asses, but in no greater portion than any other sector of society.

Others believe in their country and doing what's right: most dramatic example those who died going into the twin towers to save others. They were shown no respect, their sacrifices dishonored; and now others who would do for their fellowman realize that in this fascist system, it's almost foolish.

Hero worshiper I am not, but these people who are destroying the public sector are dividing the country and taking what was left of positive and wholesome things, communities to pieces, for their own gain.

It's heartbreaking and not just because it's tradition being taken away from us, it's our country being stolen.

:rant:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:57 AM
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34. "crushing the soul of people" who care about others....exactly.
I can't believe it is happening in this country.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:23 AM
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36. MLK said the USA was approaching spiritual death. We held it off a while. Be gentle, stay strong.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 04:03 PM
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56. the only thing left to do is get the kids and grandkids of the politicians
hooked on heroin and crack and make some money off of them.

i don't get it, sell weed and you are a crook, sell crack and you are a crook, sell heroin and you are a crook, sell off public assets to the already wealthy so they can become more wealthy and you are a good wholesome american

i would rather live by heroin dealers than by the politicians who are selling off our way of life and i have never even done heroin, i just think a heroin dealer would be more honest
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-11 11:47 PM
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30. knr nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:37 AM
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33. kr
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:59 AM
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35. Holy shit! That's a lot of blow!
They sniff Koch all the way to the governor's mansion, don't they?

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 02:26 AM
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37. Thanks Madfloridian for posting this.
This is the kind of information we need to learn about on DU. We will not hear this anyplace else.

We have been robbed of our political party. It has simply been stolen from under us by people offering very little money if you compare the price they are paying to the values and self-respect that we are losing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:27 PM
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48. Yes, we have been robbed of our party in many ways.
We have compromised so much through the years that we can't seem to stop.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:50 AM
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38. I am so sorry I voted for Coumo....this explains his attacking the teachers union
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:34 AM
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46. What were you supposed to do? Vote for Paladino?!
Increasingly, elections are becoming a hollow Hobson's choice. Here in CA, we just voted in Jerry Brown over NutMeg Whitman -- only to be slapped with billions in budget cuts, and not even an attempt to raise revenues.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:58 AM
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39. can we "Recall" elected officials in NY? now I understand why Kerry divorced him
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 04:01 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:51 PM
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53. no, they divorced because she was cheating on him
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 10:20 PM
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54. If that's the case then I have to say, I understand why.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:51 AM
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40. I was the one who posted about it - and got slammed because of one word
It really blows my mind how ANAL some here get over the use of the word *democrat* versus *democratic* -- btw, I was NOT the one who wrote the damned line - it was taken directly from the LABOR site post.

We seem to have a faction of tiny minds very similar to the same sort that watch Fox news here. Our biggest threat to this country is the fascism being paid for by the Koch Brothers. And I -thought- bringing this info about a Democratic governor who had taken TWICE the amount given to Walker would be enlightening.

We need to search out EVERY government official who is on the Koch payroll -- even if they are Democrats as well. Because these two are evil incarnate. And ALL politicians taking their money should be highly suspect.

The American people should be making donations from these assholes totally radioactive politically. ALL politicians should FEAR connections being made to the Koch Brothers.

Instead some here on this board lose their frigging minds over two letters.

unbelievable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 10:01 AM
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41. I noticed how you got slammed.
I missed it until it was archived, and you deserved better than being called names.

:hi:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 10:43 AM
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43. thanks. It was eye-opening to see the reactions. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:30 AM
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57. You could tell they did not even read the post, just jumped on one word...
Democrat...without the ic. Didn't even notice you did not use it.

Your message got no attention.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 10:23 AM
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42. pos..
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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:32 AM
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45. Didn't vote for him, knew that he was not as crazy as
Palladino, but a horrible DINO who bragged about wanting to take on the Unions.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:47 PM
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51. I voted for Howie Hawkins, the Green Party candidate and urged all my friends to do the same.
I knew exactly where this guy was coming from. And I got the same response from my friends, "But what about Paladino?"

I told them plainly that Paladino has no chance in hell. Cuomo would win because so many people just vote the D line with little thought about the candidates. However, voting for Hawkins could make Cuomo's margin of victory closer. So maybe just maybe, people would not go along with his schemes so easily.

Cuomo won in a landslide by 20 points. So the guy feels like he can do whatever.

The good thing though is that people are beginning to wake up. Hopefully, it will not be too late.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:36 PM
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58. I voted for Howie too.
I wanted the Green Party to stay on the ballot. I knew Cuomo would win anyway.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:37 PM
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47. I was recently reading through a book of great speeches I came
across at Borders. Cuomo's father in his hey day wrote an inspiring speech about how Democrats are the ones
who will not leave people in ruins, will fight for the rights of all Americans etc.

I hope his father is ashamed of his son..how likely that is, I don't know any longer. Everything
we stood for is up for grabs..well, at least almost everything. The distinctions are becoming
increasingly difficult to make between neoliberal Dems and Republicans.



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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:54 PM
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49. K&R please read
What exactly do the Koch Brothers get out of busting up public employee unions?

At any rate they must be stopped. So sick of money and lobbyists wielding so much influence.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 06:50 PM
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52. They get lower tax rates for them and their rich friends.
They also get an underclass that is willing to work more for less money.

Win for the brothers. Loss for the average American.
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