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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:10 AM
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I May Have A Bombshell Piece of News Regarding Libya!
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 07:27 AM by Xicano
Well, well, well, look at what I found. Below are two video links. The first one is an old video of General Wesley Clark on Democracy Now talking about Libya (among other countries) being planned 10 years ago.

The second video I posted a number of years ago to google video regarding my union's (ILWU) lockout of 2002. If you advance that video to the 25:30 point and watch it to the 26:50 point, you’ll see another piece of evidence which corroborates the first video with regard to Iraq.


Old Democracy Now video: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSb-EpL4fY

Advance this video to 25:30 and watch through to 26:50: >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2159801632056757549#


After you view these two videos, also, consider PNAC and Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard" and Cheney's claiming executive privilege when being told to present his energy policy. Definitely some food for thought.



P.S. You can stop watching the first video after it switches from Wesley Clark. The youtuber just attached some BS secrete society nonsense to an old Democracy Now video.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:13 AM
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1. Yes, they have always been a piece of the design.
That is why it is important to make France and the UN the leads on this operation.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:29 AM
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23. +1000000000 n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:14 AM
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2. Are you saying the Libyan uprising is false?
That a country nestled between two other countries that had an uprising would never ever think of going against their government?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:16 AM
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3. I don't believe the uprising was mentioned.
It had not occurred yet.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:20 AM
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4. No more false than the Mohammad Mosaddegh uprising.
If you're not familiar with who Mohammad Mosaddegh was and the circumstances behind his ousting. The net has plenty of information for you.

And that would not be the only example either.


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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:38 AM
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11. For a good article on the US/British governments' conspiracy to overthrow Mossaddegh
and a description of how the CIA and MI6 worked together to stage a phony communist revolution in Iran in order to give treasonous Iranian army officers an excuse to overthrow their elected PM and install a compliant US toady, the Shah, in power, go here:

A 'great venture': overthrowing the government of Iran

In August 1953 a coup overthrew Iran's nationalist government of Mohammed Musaddiq and installed the Shah in power. The Shah subsequently used widespread repression and torture in a dictatorship that lasted until the 1979 Islamic revolution. The 1953 coup is conventionally regarded primarily as a CIA operation, yet the planning record reveals not only that Britain was the prime mover in the initial project to overthrow the government but also that British resources contributed significantly to the eventual success of the operation. Two first-hand accounts of the Anglo-American sponsorship of the coup - by the MI6 and CIA officers primarily responsible for it - are useful in reconstructing events. (1) Many of the secret planning documents that reveal the British role have been removed from public access and some of them remain closed until the next century - for reasons of 'national security'. Nevertheless, a fairly clear picture still emerges. Churchill later told the CIA officer responsible for the operation that he 'would have loved nothing better than to have served under your command in this great venture'. (2)

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:38 AM
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19. You Believe the Uprising
was the result of foreign provocation?

I know all about Mosaddegh, Kermit Roosevelt, and the Shah. But not every uprising is engineered. You have to look at alternate sources to see if there is any credible evidence of that. With all the alternate news sources available, the only one that seems to think that is the Libyan government.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:28 PM
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25. It's "the Internets" you know... "book face" and all....
And since "the Internets" is a creation of the DOD....

I'm sure you get the picture..... :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:33 AM
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8. SHHHH ! You are spoiling their conspiracy theory
Not to mention, they will reply that ALL the uprisings were CIA inspired - even though they are in countries allied with us and countries against us.

The comfort of a conspiracy theory is that it makes everything easier to understand.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:42 AM
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12. Please read up on CIA run coups
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 07:44 AM by Mimosa
There have been quite a few.

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/a-history-of-cia-coups-and-atrocities/

Just a sampling.

1941

COI created — In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William “Wild Bill” Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942

OSS created — Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation’s rich and powerful that eventually people joke that “OSS” stands for “Oh, so social!” or “Oh, such snobs!”

1943

Italy — Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America’s most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945

OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the “Gehlen Organization,” a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the “Butcher of Lyon”), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the “intelligence” the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious “missile gap.” To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.

1947

Greece — President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created — President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC — there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to “perform such other functions and duties… as the National Security Council may from time to time direct.” This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

1948

Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include “propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world.”

Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works — the communists are defeated.

1949

Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40s

Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953

Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954

Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.

1956

Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an “Armee Clandestine” of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959

Haiti — The U.S. military helps “Papa Doc” Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the “Tonton Macoutes,” who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961

The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But “Operation Mongoose” fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963

Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964

Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down “communists” for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these “communists” are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965

Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being “communist.” The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic — A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country’s elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece — With the CIA’s backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) — A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966 The Ramparts Affair — The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire “professors” to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveals that the National Students’ Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967

Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the “reign of the colonels” — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: “Fuck your parliament and your constitution.”

Operation PHEONIX — The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 “Viet Cong.”

1968

Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia — A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969

Uruguay — The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. “The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect,” is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis’. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970

Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971

Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Continue at link:


http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/a-history-of-cia-coups-and-atrocities/
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:03 AM
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15. I am fully aware of these and KNOW this is what we have done
My point is that we were caught unaware in Egypt and the other countries. Unlike in say the Ukraine, where we immediately lauded the Orange revolution, we really did go back and forth between backing Mubarak and backing the rebels.

While there are US coups (unfortunately I think, in retrospect, that Honduras was likely one), I think there is a danger to thinking that all uprisings come from the US. Here, the biggest reason that I have is that the timing is awful for us. The additional Chaos now is not helpful - as it takes our focus off some of the bigger problem - the biggest being helping to stabilize Pakistan - where our actions, drones and spies, are actually weakening the government,
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:45 AM
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13. Revolutions - R - U.S.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 07:49 AM by Dover

Well you may call it conspiracy, but stimulating civil uprisings seems to be our 'specialty'. Heck, this country was born on revolution. It's in our DNA.

I'm reminded of the fairly recent "Colour Revolutions" in Eastern Europe, for instance:

Soros foundation and U.S. influenceOpponents of the colour revolutions often accuse the Soros Foundation and/or the United States government of supporting and even planning the revolutions in order to serve western interests. It is noteworthy that after the Orange Revolution several Central Asian nations took action against the Open Society Institute of George Soros with various means – Uzbekistan, for example, forced the shutting down of the OSI regional offices, while Tajik state-controlled media have accused OSI-Tajikistan of corruption and nepotism.<6>

Evidence suggesting U.S. government involvement includes the USAID (and UNDP) supported Internet structures called Freenet, which are known to comprise a major part of the Internet structure in at least one of the countries – Kyrgyzstan – in which one of the colour revolutions occurred.

The Guardian<7> claimed that USAID, National Endowment for Democracy, the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, and Freedom House are directly involved; the Washington Post and the New York Times also reported substantial Western involvement in some of these events.<8><9>

Activists from Otpor in Serbia and Pora in Ukraine have said that publications and training they received from the US based Albert Einstein Institution staff have been instrumental in the formation of their strategies.<10><11>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:37 AM
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9. maybe looking for an excuse?
It appears to me to be in someone @ the pentagon's game plan & they took the opportunity to act.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:28 AM
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5. Here is a link to the Democracy Now transcript for those who want to link:
"This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran."


GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran.

I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you’re too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don’t know." He said, "I guess they don’t know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it’s worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs"—meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office—"today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don’t show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!"

-snip
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/2/gen_wesley_clark_weighs_presidential_bid
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:38 AM
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10. War IS a racket . . .
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:29 AM
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22. After the Iraq war Bush and Blair cut a deal with Libya
They gave up whatever WMD capacity they had and opened up the country to western investment, his past terrorism and repressive dictatorship suddenly became a non-issue to the west.

There would have been no reason for us try and kickstart an uprising in Libya, we were happy with the status quo in recent years.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:14 PM
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24. I don't think we kick started it but I do believe the pentagon jumped at the chance
to use those missiles at $ 1 MILL a piece. Somebody is making a lot of money. As no_hypocrisy quoted "war is a racket"
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:30 AM
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6. What can I say...
I'll say what the French say: "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." To these oil soaked bastards, even after the following became public knowledge: Gulf of Tonkin fakery to ramp up the Vietnam war, the Operation Northwoods false flag terror plans by the Pentagon's joint chiefs, the lies about Kuwaiti babies torn by the Iraqi troops from incubators and left to die on the cold hospital floor, the numerous lies about Saddam's non existent WMDs etc., setting up the American population to accept and even support a new war for oil and MIC profits is like taking candy from a baby.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:30 AM
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7. Haven't watched yet but just a reminder
that Obama has not been forthcoming about who is he's been meeting with either, as for instance when he was discussing health issues with the insurance industry, etc.

I'm guessing that if we really knew the game plan that our 'representatives' in government are following we would have our accepted 'reality' challenged and either be very very upset or in denial about who really calls the shots and why. I'm remembering that scene now from the movie Network where the 'reality' of the clandestine super wealthy puppet masters behind the scenes is laid out for the disillusioned, evangelical newscaster.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:11 AM
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16. You Mentioned The Movie 'Network'......
I saw it back when it first came out. I'd like to watch it again today as I really think I'd probably appreciate it more now than back then. However, it's never on cable TV and I haven't seen it in a video store or Redbox, etc. Does anybody know where I might be able to get a copy to view it?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:18 AM
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17. Netflix has Network
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:50 AM
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14. there are people who's job it is to plan this stuff. It doesn't mean Obama was planning
on doing this ahead of time.


The military guys always have plans drawn up ahead of time, no biggie.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:08 AM
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20. Au contraire...taking over other countries is indeed a "biggie"
I am beginning to suspect that a lot of folks around here
did not read or do not remember PNAC's stated, in print goals.

Granted it was a long time ago, 10 years.
But some other of us do remember.
As long as the MIC/Oilgarchy is running things, those goals will not change. Might be delayed, but not changed.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:34 AM
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18. There are attack plans drawn up for virtually every country in that region
They have been in place since the Cold War.

Just FYI.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 11:22 AM
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21. It's neither secret nor nonsense.
You should speak from the facts you KNOW, and not supposition. That's how they've been able to operate so long with impunity, because no one wants to believe it. And people go around spreading the word that it's nonsense when they don't know what they're talking about. Along with using disinformation and ridicule to handle anything else. Are there loons out there? Yes, of course there are. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them work for TPTB.

But that's also how they make the whole issue seem silly. And they've taken full advantage of our ignorance and unwillingness to believe our own eyes. How better to negate an enemy than to make them seem ridiculous. Your very own victims end up doing your job for you.

- That's why the Constitution is in the trash bin and our civil rights along with it. People didn't want to believe they'd do that. Well, they did.

K&R
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