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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:30 AM
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'FARC asked Gaddafi for $100 million to buy missiles'
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/15045-farc-requested-100-million-from-gaddafi-to-buy-missiles.html


The FARC appear to have asked the Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi for a $100 million loan in order to buy missiles, while also corresponding with Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega over the coordination of Libyan support in the region.

The Europa Press Agency published a report Monday, sourcing information from the seized computers of slain FARC commander "Raul Reyes," who was killed by the Colombian army in Ecuador on March 1, 2008.

A letter from the FARC addressed to "Comrade Colonel Muammar Gaddafi," dated September 4, 2000, reportedly thanked the Libyan leader for his treatment of FARC leaders in his country, while simultaneously requesting a five-year loan of $100 million to buy surface-to-air missiles.

Although it is unknown whether either money or weapons were ever actually delivered, the news agency reports that there was another letter found on the computer that was destined to be delivered "by hand" to Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:42 AM
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1. It's amazing how the most provocative things end up being found on stray laptops.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 07:42 AM by leveymg
Even letters that are so sensitive they're supposed to be delivered "by hand."

Please . . .
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:44 AM
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2. the laptop belonged to the FARC commander, its not surprising Danny
is involved. look at his recent support of Gaddafi
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:47 AM
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3. Please . . .
Nobody keeps truly sensitive materials on laptops, unless they want it to be found! Even erased files can be recovered from a hard-drive.

It's tradecraft 101.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:51 AM
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4. oh brother, please n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:01 AM
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6. It's just too convenient, and the guy's dead, so he can't even refute it.
One has to take such "finds" with a tower of salt. Or, do you trust the Colombian secret police?

To tell you the truth, Gadhaffi has been a one-stop-shop for practically every terrorist group in the world for decades. If this were true, it would not surprise me one tiny bit. But, really, look at the sourcing. This is not what would be considered a reliable source in any reporting.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:07 AM
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7. Danny sure seems to like him n/t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:09 AM
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8. Then Are We To Be As Cynical About Wikileaks?
Aren't those "finds" from a computer system? Just askin'. One can assume all those documents are legit but it's annonymous nature also makes it a good target for black ops.

I'm suspicious of this story...seems too convenient in the timing. Why wait nearly 3 years after the capture to bring this to light?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:14 AM
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9. When I last checked, the State Dept. was still standing at Foggy Bottom.
Nobody has denied the authenticity of the Wikileaks cables.

But, there's no way to prove or disprove who actually wrote these letters. It a verification issue, not a truth issue.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:21 AM
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11. The Perils Of The Age...
I agree on the verification matter...and getting that isn't always easy or simple. I used Wiki only as an example of where people will jump to believe a document that supports their opinion while easily discounting one such as this one that they don't like. While Foggy Bottom may have admitted the authenticity of the Wikileaks cables we don't have such verification on all that was released nor on the recent the BOA information.

In this world of instant communications misinformation and lies can travel around the world and become hardened talking points before the truth and verification surface and this is what I'm very addressing. The internet for all its marvels can and is being used as a tool in all sorts of psy-ops and thus I'm very careful on any and all "reports" until I do see a second or third source (preferably a trusted one) before I draw conclusions...but others don't.

Cheers...
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:16 AM
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10. actually since Libya is now in the news, it make sense this info comes out and what
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 08:18 AM by Bacchus39
is so odd about the FARC terrorist organization asking Gaddafi for financing?? it doesn't seem far fetched to me.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:27 AM
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13. Connect One More Dot...
...the name Chavez lurks beneath.

Here's one little red flag on this one. Doesn't FARC make a lot of money from the narcotics trade? Why would they need a loan if they are supposedly flush with cash or the access to it?

I'm suspicious as the rush into this adventure is now one that's in search of a justification beyond assisting our allies who are in turn attempting to assist a rebellion. Is this about supporting a UN resolution or is there someone out there attempting to widen the net? Just questions that cross my mind when I see these things pop up.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:32 AM
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14. the FARC has requested support from Chavez too, I don't see anything surprising about asking Libya
either. it doesn't say whether funds were transferred. FARC receives funds through extortion, kidnapping, drug trade, and apparently at a minimum attempts to receive funds from sympathetic leaders. its not surprising to me at all. the FARC isn't selling girl scout cookies for their cause.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:58 AM
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5. And this one is the laptop that keeps on giving!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:21 AM
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12. The letter was dated September 4, 2000
So why is this relevant now? Gee, i wonder. :eyes:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 08:55 AM
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15. I knew something smelled rotten about this one. Really past rotten - mummified.
There are some real dull tools around here.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:01 AM
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16. ummm. its an interesting note??? it was reported in a Colombian online journal
is there anything wrong with posting this info??
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:06 AM
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17. Consider the source before posting. If in doubt, investigate the report and advise your readers.
Or, don't you care if you maintain your own credibility?
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:12 AM
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19. nothing wrong with the source, it is used on the Latin American forum all the time
nothing wrong with the story either. are you surprised that a terrorist org would ask money from Gaddafi??
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:15 AM
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21. You didn't even read my third comment above, did you? eom
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 09:16 AM by leveymg
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:19 AM
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22. you'll have to be more specific n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:10 AM
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18. Letter found on old laptop from John Wilkes Booth asking for $10 to buy pistol.
Edited on Tue Mar-22-11 09:13 AM by hobbit709
"Comrade Colonel Muammar Gaddafi," Oh god. I knew a bunch of old time leftists and they never addressed each other as "comrade". That's straight out of the old anti-red playbook.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:12 AM
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20. Gadaffi and the FARC still alive and well unforutnately n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 12:34 PM
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23. Same amount of credibility in letter.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:08 PM
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24. They should have asked General Dynamics. Or, any other of our humanitarian producers of slaughter.
And, made a few payoffs to a few congresscritters to get the deal OK'd.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 01:09 PM
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25. DU would be happy with half of that
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