Did the protesters in Libya ask for help?

[revolutionnow45]

Did the Iraqis?

See the difference?

What is wrong with people?

[JuniperLea]

1. Why yes, yes they did...

And that is the only reason I support this no fly zone... I was very vocal against it until the people asked that it happen. Clearly they are feeling a desperation, and they are willing to take what comes with this action. It's their country, their decision.

Can you imagine the OUTRAGE if they had asked for it and it never happened? I can.

[pnwmom]

4. First McCain and other Republicans were outraged we didn't jump in fast enough.

Now they're saying Obama lacked constitutional authority.

Whatever Obama did, he would be attacked by the other side. And by many "progressives" too.

[revolutionnow45]

6. THIS is why we need to go after Bush!

These people have no credibility to attack Obama whatsoever. They need to be knocked off of their high horse.

[JuniperLea]

10. Amen!

That is exactly right. He can't do anything right, not one damn thing.

It would be almost amusing to see these warmongers hating on war if the hypocrisy and sheer hatred toward mankind and the greed wasn't so blatant. But it's only flip flopping when "we" do it, right?

[revolutionnow45]

14. the 'liberal' media will always support corporations- who cares what they say?

We have to slap the republicans in the face with the reality of their hypocrisy, not just appease the lies.

[quinnox]

2. So whenever a rebel group in a country asks for help

The US is duty bound to rush to their aid?

[dionysus]

3. straw man. next?

[pnwmom]

5. So whenever a rebel group asks for help, we sit on our hands

and do nothing?

No, each situation is different -- and Obama made a good decision in this situation.

[quinnox]

7. Do you think this will help Obama's re- election if his rosy

scenario of being out in a few days doesn't come to pass?

Won't it hurt his re-election chances if the US is bogged down in another war that the public doesn't understand?

[pnwmom]

8. Of course it won't help him if he's wrong and we get bogged down.

I'm in a wait-and-see mode for the present. Obama isn't Bush or Palin. I'm not going to assume the worst.

[revolutionnow45]

9. MLK says it much nicer than I was planning to

Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
but one must take it because it is right.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.




And if you want Obama to win 2012 I suggest that you focus on exposing the Bush Administration for their crimes, because they(the dems, the media) will all continue to play along like they are the good guys until we put an end to the BS.

WE are the party of the people, screw the 'leaders', WE the people need to take the lead here.

[JuniperLea]

11. Thankfully he is geared more toward doing the right thing...

Rather than doing the thing that would give him an advantage politically. It doesn't matter anyway... whatever he does is bad, bad, bad...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. But, of course. That's why we sent Grant and Sherman to help the rebels in Georgia and Virginia.

Not to mention the aid and protection we so generously gave to the Sioux, the Cheyenne, the Apaches. We even provided them with lovely homes on gated estates complete with guards to protect them.

[Quezacoatl]

12. Yes and so did the Iraqis

There were a number of exiled Iraqis that supported and asked for Bush's war. Some were so desperate they made up lies about WMDs to support their request. Others were so happy afterwards they pulled down the statue of Saddam.

No matter what the position there will be those who are for it and those who are against it. Pointing out that some are for it is hardly enough reason to go to war.


I'm so tired of "humanitarian" wars that usually end up killing more people than they save.

Let's hope that those who counted the deaths in Iraq will also count the deaths in Libya.

Who knew Hope and Change could also mean more of the same?

[revolutionnow45]

13. Chalabi? He was a known liar and the only one asking for 'help'

Don't bother trying to rewrite history, many of us still have our memories intact.

[David__77]

17. So we should trust Gaddafi's ex-justice minister and Gaddafi's ex-interior minister?

Aren't they the ones who spearheaded the call for foreign intervention against Libya?

[revolutionnow45]

18. no

[David__77]

26. There are lots of rallies.

Not everyone supports there country being bombed. But lots of people support Gaddafi's ex-minister too. Quite a messy situation. Libya's situation, which should be decided by the Libyans.

Obama, I'm not quite sure he knows what he's doing...

[David__77]

16. So maybe they will attack the Wisconsin capital next?

I mean, if all it takes is for peaceful protesters to "ask."

[Wait Wut]

22. If Walker starts bombing protesters...

...he would be the one requesting a NFZ, if he had time to think before he was turned to goo. Sort of a trippy argument you put out there.

[damntexdem]

19. Not just asked, demanded.

And rejoiced when they got the help.

[revolutionnow45]

21. and it still took two weeks to help

In Iraq it took a year of propaganda, lying to the UN, getting laughed at by the UN...still no approval by the UN which is why the war is illegal.

We are still involved in an illegal immoral war in Iraq where contractors are looting our nation....focus 'antiwar' people FOCUS!

[GSLevel9]

24. lol... all hat and no cattle here. nt

[GSLevel9]

23. and the Tutsi's in Rwanda would have rejoiced if helped.

BUT hey have NO OIL so no one cared.

[GSLevel9]

20. FAIL.

Iraqi dissidents have asked for help for 30 years. Example Kurds, 1991... all the way up to 2003. But don't let facts get in the way.

Both of these wars are steaming piles of crap.

How MANY groups of citizens from how many HUNDREDS of nations have asked for assistance from the US?

Oh yes... but only ONE is the major OIL supplier for the EU and feels threatened because their OIL supplier is looking to China and India as NEW business partners.

Did I say "steaming pile of crap"?

[revolutionnow45]

25. Polls showed Iraqis were strongly against intervention

Saddam was not getting ready to attack a city of protesters.


Steaming pile of crap is anyone who believes that Iraq was a humanitarian mission or that they asked to be shocked and awed- seriously pull your head out.


Did you believe the incubator story too?

[GSLevel9]

27. lol... u drank ALL the kool-aid.

Saddam constantly killed protestors. For decades.

Having said that, we STILL SHOULDN'T HAVE been involved in Iraq. And anyone with an IQ of 90+ could make a better argument for Saddam being a greater threat than Gadafi.

Like I said... NEITHER war is worth one American life or one American dollar.

[revolutionnow45]

28. no I have no koolaid- laugh all you want but after you get the facts right

As an October 23 article in the British newspaper The Sunday Telegraph noted, the poll found, among other things, that "orty-five per cent of Iraqis believe attacks against British and American troops are justified" and that "82 per cent are 'strongly opposed' to the presence of coalition troops." While this poll apparently did not specifically ask respondents to indicate support for immediate U.S. troop withdrawal, earlier polls have. A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll (subscription required) interviewing 3,444 Iraqis in the spring of 2004 found that 57 percent of Iraqis thought "the U.S. and British forces ought to leave in the next few months," with 71 percent of Iraqis viewing the U.S. military "mostly as occupiers." As The Washington Post reported on May 13, another poll, which was commissioned by the U.S.-led coalition and also conducted during spring 2004, indicated that "our out of five Iraqis report holding a negative view of the U.S. occupation authority and of coalition forces" and that "82 percent said they disapprove of the U.S. and allied militaries in Iraq." In January 2005, Zogby International released the results of its Iraqi public opinion poll, which was conducted in conjunction with Abu Dhabi Television. It also found that, of the 805 Iraqis interviewed, "ajorities of both Sunni Arabs (82%) and Shiites (69%) ... favor U.S. forces withdrawing either immediately or after an elected government is in place"; 53 percent supported attacks on coalition troops.

This was in 2005.

The Iraqis still want US OUT! but we have not left.

These 'antiwar' people need to start looking at the real wars we have going on.

[GSLevel9]

29. why are you telling me this? Didn't you read my post?

Let me repeat a 3rd time.

the USA has NO BUSINESS in EITHER nation.

Not one dollar or one American life should be spent in either NATION.

Obama's Libya is similarly pathetic as Shrub's Iraq. In fact a better argument COULD be made for Iraq (not that the argument would change MY opinion)

I don't understand why Obama volunteered to hang this steaming pile of crap from his neck like an albatross.

[TheKentuckian]

30. Iraq was put into a position of being perhaps the least threatening nation in the world.

Poppy had obliterated their once top 10 military, they were under an air cap for years, they were under embargo, and had sanctions.

No matter how much Saddam may have wished to be a threat, he had long been rendered toothless and bound.

[JackRiddler]

31. Polls? In a dictatorship with fixed elections? You believe those?

The war planners trotted out all manner of Iraqis who "invited" the invasion. Plus it was a popular idea in the Kurdish regions.

Saddam in the past had massacred whole cities of protesters, with tanks and attack helicopters, and done so repeatedly, each time with tacit approval of the US.

This example is not serving your case.

[Nevernose]

32. Which Libyan protestors?

The ones protesting against Kadaffi or the ones protesting in favor of him? Because according to NPR, it seems like Tripoli is pretty solidly pro-Kadaffi right now.

[KurtNYC]

33. Did the people in Darfur ask for help? in Yemen? in saudi ?

Did the people in Sudan ask for help?

What's wrong with people? Oil wars fatigue. BTDT