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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:35 PM
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We Are Aiding and Abetting the Republicans
In an online conversation this past weekend, someone reminded me of something I hadn’t thought about in years – the Reagan Presidential campaign of 1980. Some of the most effective campaign commercials used by the Reagan team during that election cycle were ones which utilized audio and video clips of Senator Ted Kennedy bashing incumbent President Jimmy Carter during his abortive primary challenge.

“Wanna know what the Democrats think about President Carter? Just listen to what a leading Democrat has to say.”

We all know what happened in the 1980 election. We’re still feeling the repercussions from the defection of the Reagan Democrats today. But, really, this goes back further.

After having spent the first two years of the Obama Administration, nit-picking, finding fault, gratuitously criticizing, and, when all else failed, inventing reasons to despair of the Democratic President, in the run-in to another general election, various people, pundits and politicians are still calling for this President to be primaried.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/03/22/we-are-aiding-and-abetting-the-republicans/

Look how much damage Reagan did to our country. Can you possibly Imagine the damage a current Republican could do?
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:37 PM
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1. K & R. n/t
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:37 PM
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2. I have been trying to say that all along
But the Obama beaters here can't help themselves.

On the other hand, we are liberals and you point of view is allowed and encouraged. It is a fine line we all walk.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:41 PM
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3. Agree. As mad as I sometimes get, there's no way I would chance weakening
the party and ensuring that the Republicans are given the reins in 2012. We see how well that worked during the mid-terms. Ask the people of Wisconsin who made their "statement" if they're proud of themselves now.

It's not about ME, it's about the country and its people!

Thanks for posting this.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:43 PM
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4. When your candidate does everything the pukes want...
THAT'S aiding and abetting republicans.

"Oh, I would never let one of them into office, but MY guy will take orders from them at every turn if you put him in there!

That's so much better."
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:44 PM
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26. ditto. not criticizing when warranted is BEING a republican
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:19 PM
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27. +1 n/t
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:43 PM
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5. K&R..God help us all....I hope and pray every Democrat in the USA
Reads this....
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:44 PM
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6. ICAM.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:45 PM
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7. I'm nobody and can't affect an election, and personally I'm tired of being asked to abandon
my principles for party purity. My party has moved too far to the right and that's something I can not accept, and will say so.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:47 PM
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8. Well then you will live under Fascism for the rest of your life
You can fight for better people in the party a lot easier when the party in power doesn't want to kill you because of your beliefs.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:49 PM
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9. Bullshit. You are the one that has quit fighting with an attitude like that.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:51 PM
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11. Excuse me?
Are you telling me what I am doing? I will never stop fighting, but unless you want this to come to bloodshed, we can not allow republicans to take control. BECAUSE THEY WANT US DEAD. Its a simple as that.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:54 PM
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14. It is because we are scared into thinking that we have to pick a D because
the R is worse that the parties have both become corporate whores who don't look after the real needs of the people. Sure, one may be 'better', but it's not good enough. Saying that we are enabling the republicans because we complain about it, or fight for our party to be more what it should be, is just defeatism.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:09 PM
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17. Look at Wisconsin. Explain to me how Walker is not worse than the Dems that are fighting him.
Look at my State, Iowa. Every day the Republican house passes some outrage (zygotes are people and you can use deadly force in their aid, union busting, anti-gay legislation),

And every day the Dem Controlled Senates stops their evil bills.

Your theory is fine and all but you need a reality check.

Don't bother flaming me, I see this happening everyday in Iowa. The Republicans are evil fucks, and the dems are fighting them,.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:18 PM
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I agree, and I did say that one may be 'better'.
I also said it's not good enough.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:26 PM
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24. Explain how the Dems in Wisconsin and Iowa are not "good enough"
Your theory seems to be that fear of what Republicans might do if in control are baseless

And the Dems are only slightly better than Republicans
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 09:03 PM
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29. This is an argument for people who are bad at math
Democrats are about 40% of the country. Republicans are about 40% of the country. Independents are about 20%. If the Democrats split, it won't result in a progressive victory: it'll be a Republican victory. The 2010 election told us that staying home from the polls ensures that there are more R's in Congress than D's. I also have been disappointed that hope and change didn't happen the way I wanted it to. My consolation has been that if we hadn't worked to elect Obama and Democrats in 2008, it would be so much worse. We need a Democratic majority in the house to impeach a couple of Supreme Court justices who have committed patently impeachable offenses; with the R's in charge, that's not going to happen. We need a strong Democratic majority in the Senate to confirm more progressive nominations for justices. The SCOTUS is the last bastion of democracy, we need to keep it out of the hands of the extreme right. Hold your nose and vote for a Democrat. Make those telephone calls. Go door to door. This is a fight we cannot afford to lose.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:05 PM
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16. Sounds good but your remedy is ineffective at best.
We have played this game for 30 years and the result is an altogether less sane opposition and a party of our own that resembles the right wing when this all got going.

Long term both parties will lead to a corporatism with one path allowing greater equality in who gets to be cannon fodder and somewhat less in the grip of theocrats but far from free of them as evidenced by high level "The Family" association.

Don't want to live under fascism? Then oppose fascism rather than endorsing the seemingly least odious variant that serves the same masters.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:50 PM
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10. Well said!
I agree completely. OTOH we are the fringe & therefore insignificant & on the other, we shouldn't criticize the prez cuz it's aiding & abetting repubs. :crazy:
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:17 PM
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20. Good On You!
Good on you for what you said!
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 07:20 PM
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28. In complete agreement with your assessment.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:53 PM
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12. Look how much damage Obama's weakness is doing to the country.
Obama has done very little that a Republican would not have done.

It's just ridiculous.

The problem is that as long as Obama is in charge of our Party, those of us who are oldfashioned real Democrats have utterly no say, no influence. We are not heard. Obama pays no more attention to us than a Republican would.

And, worse yet, Obama is just another bought politician. I think we all hoped for more.

He is virtually controled by Wall Street.

I think that the only chance Democrats have for a second term is to get a different candidate because I suspect that Obama will run into serious problems quite late in the campaign -- probably scandals, manufactured or not. He just hasn't run as clean an administration as a Democrat has to run. I am not aware of what kinds of scandals are lurking, but looking at the general tenor of his advisors, seeing how many of them have Wall Street backgrounds, it will probably be easy for someone somewhere to find a questionable transaction. Obama is just very vulnerable because he has not governed based on what he claimed were his ideals but rather based on the advice of some people of questionable judgment in my opinion.

I would like to see a challenge to Obama -- someone who is really honest. The American people deserve better than they are getting.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 03:54 PM
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13. This morning MSM showed Kucinich & impeachment.
Too bad (sic) the TV volume was down. I imagine the GOP is planning to use this to attack President Obama.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:03 PM
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15. Right, now get back on your knees and hope for another crumb. n/t
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:14 PM
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18. your democratic party is aiding and abetting republican policy
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:15 PM
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19. I don't want to see anyone who is against Obama
crying when a Republican wins and things get 1000000 times worst.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:25 PM
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23. Support Obama
I can see it now:

"Support Obama. He's not as bad as the other guy".
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Ship of Fools Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:18 PM
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21. Yeah, I was around in those days.
For the few whiners in this group, please re-read this post. IT HAPPENED. If it happens again, we'll be coming for YOU.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:23 PM
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22. Oh, yes -- we must not be traitors to the Fearless Leader. That only aids the enemy.
We must be good Germans, err Democrats, who never question what our betters, err leaders, tell us.

Asking Democrats to act like Repukes is the epitome of aiding and abetting the latter.

unrec
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-11 04:27 PM
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25. The establishment backs Obama. It abandoned Carter. n/t
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