Dennis Kucinich.... Bush should have been Impeached over Iraq Invasion...and WAR without end....

[KoKo]

All this Hullabaloo over Kucinich on DU that's gone on for a couple of years needs to be discussed!

So what Kucinich did was to pre-empt the Repugs and call for Obama's Impeachment over Libya BEFORE the Repugs could get their "leg up to spew."

So, all of you who think that Obama is playing "Three Dimensional Chess" and will hang the Repugs on their own Petard...need to think about how courageous Dennis Kucinich is to go after Obama before the RW does with their idiocy and to show that even Obama's Policy was a "cave in to the NeoCons" and that while the Repugs want to say he Dithered...(they are now falling over themselves saying he's getting us into war, too soon)...what Obama and Kucinich are doing is "working in tandem" to flush out the REAL ISSUE of whether a President has War Powers that mean he can put us into ENDLESS WARS.

I think that Kucinich is doing something that is tactically very brave and incredibly forward thinking and Tactical!

The Repugs are Hipocritical! If we can catch the Repug RW in their own Dithering and Blathering about "Acting Too Soon...."Going into Libya with out a Plan as to How to Get Out!" which could trash our Economy with the costs of ANOTHER LONG WAR AND OCCUPATION then it's going to throw another War and Occupation right into the laps of the RW and Obama pulls out the 2012 Election.

Obama will have trashed them...and Kucinich is the one on the Left who stood up and gave Obama Cover.

Just saying........:shrug; Throwing this out there.

[flvegan]

1. Did Dennis call for his impeachment today, or

are we still missing the point entirely about yesterday? Sorry, I just got home from work and haven't heard much news today.

[StarburstClock]

4. No one called for anyones impeachment yesterday

The question was asked about the legality of killing civilians in an act of aggression and whether or not that is an impeachable offense. Of course it is against the UN charter and against U.S. law but those things do not matter 1 bit, nobody in the world in a world court, a UN, an ICC or anywhere else is going to do one damn thing about it.

Happy now?

[flvegan]

5. You're not telling me

anything I don't know. I was inquiring of the OP.

[StarburstClock]

2. The POTUS can invade anywhere for any reason and never be held accountable

That's the sad fact of the world we currently live in. Torture camps, WMD lies and conspiracy, UN charters, false reasons for militarism: it's all worthless and never enforced. It's an elitist planet which parts of the Middle East are revolting against and some states in the U.S. are protesting against. I think the U.S. will go completely broke and will have to declare a complete systemic reconfiguration of our government before anything changes here.

[KoKo]

6. My post is about how Kucinich (who I know is against this War Money Drain) might be doing some good

to change the Dialogue and get some RW support which our President is in Support of!

Can you understand the subtleties of this? If not...just Google..is your friend.

[StarburstClock]

8. I understand and support it, it's not subtle.

It's just never going to work. How about you Google how many U.S. presidents have been held accountable for war crimes or treaty violations regardless of some imaginary chess match going on in your head?

[Jamastiene]

27. Unfortunately, you are right.

It seems the U.S. Constitution was long ago flushed down the toilet. Our government does not follow it any more at all.

[tabasco]

3. That's why Dennis demanded impeachment from Day One!

OH! Wait a minute.

[emulatorloo]

7. Have you been drinking?

If so pour me a glass

:toast:

[KoKo]

10. I met Dennis here in NC ...way back..when Kerry Ran. A handshake

and his speech...showed me that this guy doesn't take fools for voters...unlike what many of our Democrats who suck up to our vote and then leave us do. Just saying. That personal contact means a lot when one wants to connect with voters.

Wall Street is stealing our money and trashing our economy...yet there are some DU'ers who seem to want to focus on Dems who have fought for us, through the years, and trash them into oblivion.

It's time for us to Stand Up for those who STAND UP FOR US. I have no doubt in my mind that Kucinich isn't one of those who will STAND UP for the RIGHTS of those who are DISENFRANCHISED.

And that there are people who want to trash everything about him is the RW WAY. They want to trash Sheehan, McKinney, Greenwald, Thomas, Chomsky, Zinn and so many others... because that's what the Neo-Libs and Repugs have done since "St. Ronnie."

And YOU KNOW THAT IS TRUE...!

[emulatorloo]

11. I disagree with DK on a number of things, but he is a solid standup guy

and I appreciate him.

[KoKo]

16. Nice wording.. "A Stand Up Guy." We have so few of them around these days..

Thanks for your reply...said it better than I could have. "Stand Up Guy."

[CountAllVotes]

9. I have always supported Kucinich

I voted for him twice, I know that much!

He speaks the truth!

:dem: :kick:

[AtomicKitten]

12. That's ridiculous. Dennis is fundraising on having dropped the word "impeachment."

He is neither courageous nor forward-thinking, well maybe the latter as it relates to fundraising. He's a politician with crap polling - 25% approval rating trying to manage viability by cashing in on a provocative statement.

[AnOhioan]

13. Statewide numbers...irrelevant.

I would venture say he is polling much better in his district. Of course, that district will likely be eliminated by the Republican Legislature in Ohio during redistricting. What is truly sad is that the Kucinich haters on DU are openly cheering that fact.

[AtomicKitten]

15. I don't hate him. I'm telling the truth. nt

[KoKo]

14. Kuchinch has fought for us over "Blue Dogs" we sent money to and Dem Insiders ..we donated to.

The trashing going on here about him is obscene!

I get constant E-Mails from Russ Feingold..asking me to donate when he was Senator and now that he has his New Progressive Website and ..from Alan Grayson...sending me stuff so I will give money to him for another run.

Why is Kucinich singled out? Because DENNIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REAL PROGRESIVE...and he has TEA PARTIERS RUNNING AGAINST HIM.

Should we leave Dennis to "hang out to dry" so that TeaPartiers will be the only ones supporting Dems in the next Election...OR...Should we Support the LAST LIB DEMS in the US CONGRESS!

You tell me!

[AtomicKitten]

17. Nothing spells sincerity like *cha-ching*.

I like Dennis but he was arguably a douche for dropping the "I" word mostly because he's flat-out wrong about the constitutionality of what Pres Obama did vis a vis Libya. Fundraising off it is grotesque. If you disagree, send him money. That's obviously what this is all about anyway.

[KoKo]

18. Grayson. Feingold, Conyers, Waxman, Levin, Webb, etc.. have all solicited Funds from Me!

Because I signed up to their E-Mails to get their reports to me about what bills they were putting through Congress and how they were "Standing Up for Me."

To be honest...only Grayson and Kucinich ever performed..along with Feingold. But, Grayson and Kucinich went OTT to support Progressives by "Mouthing Off." Feingold is much more subtle and since he was a Senator he had to be that way.

Anyway...don't tell me...if you never signed up, donated to them and aren't on their e-mail lists where they tell you what they are doing every time they move on or think about legislation they are introducing.

If you didn't donate and don't have access to them...they you are just "mouthing off" some Talking Points that are from Think Tanks that have an interest here on this website.

Just saying ...and regards to you...BUT YOU ARE VERY WRONG IN WHAT YOU SAY!

[AtomicKitten]

19. Did they fundraise on dinging another Democrat? No. That's the point.

[KoKo]

21. They got my money because they stand up for Progressive Causes and Truth to Power...

That's the people I support and so far they've done what I've supported and so I've donated to them. That's why I still support them and trust them.

It may be that you are not a Progressive as I am...but aren't we both Democrats? Even with differing views..if we are Democrats we shouldn't be trashing our fellow Democrats even if they are Progressive. At least that's the way I see it. I can see you must differ on that.

Which Dems do you donate to and are on their E-Mail Update Lists? Then maybe we can start a discussion about Kucinich and where he is coming from when he speaks out. FAIR? SHAKE HANDS...

[bvar22]

24. Dennis doesn't "ding" other Democrats.

He DOES "ding" bad policy,
especially Republican Policy coming out of the mouths of supposed "Democrats",
but I've never observed him engage in Personal Attacks.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone



"By their WORKS you will know them,"
and by their WORKS they will be counted.

[Octafish]

20. Kucinich is correct.

Is this a nation of laws or is the pretzeldent above them? If the latter, this is no longer the United States of America.

[bvar22]

22. If you work for a living,

Dennis has YOUR back.
The rest of the "New Democrat Centrist Party"....not so much.



”Unlike the other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[KoKo]

23. Agree...

[JNelson6563]

25. Poor Dennis, so much attention to be grabbed

so little time!

[felix_numinous]

26. The benefits of having Dennis Kucinich in office

FAR outweigh any weak arguments against him, but that does not stop his detractors from endlessly pushing their poisonous talking points.

Rep Kucinich embodies CORE American values that RW propaganda has labeled extreme, and these far reaching talking points make it to this board. If he were elected President, if his policies were put into effect, we would have a chance to recover from these disastrous times. Period.

It is the RW AGENDA that is extreme--and to diametrically oppose their corrupt, sociopathic, racist, empire building policies LOOKS extreme because we have been living under their jackboots for so long.