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Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 03:02 PM by RandomThoughts
She said: "They must think we're idiots. (And added that if they really were injured then it probably came from them trying to fight the police)
The actual claim to that metaphor, is that some people think the police are one group, the opposites of that group think the police are the opposite of their police.
If you believe in authoritarianism or ends justify means, then your police are based on your heart and opposite of the police of love and kindness with justice and dignity for all.
Gandhi's police are different then the colonial police. Was Gandhi hurt by police or criminals.
It requires an external point of reference based on universal truth, or a moral component as can be best determined by people.
Most discussions are your police and my police, but each group sees the other group the same way, when they actually do have many things in common when they also view things with an external third point of reference of what they would agree is better.
Side note, not worrying about heaven or hell, is in part to avoid thoughts of ends justify means if second and third defense was not in your choices and your first defense was a group thinking in what can be shown by 2nd and 3rd defense as not defensible.
If you believe in just obedience, then you claim that people are like soldiers that should follow orders, but a soldier is taught that way to be used for some bigger cause, and sometimes not the cause they believe in, hence why they are told they can't know. If things are so complex that people can not understand, then that power should be able to explain it in a way they can, or that is a claim of a limitation of that power. And many that believe in just obedience follow different things by the viewable different goals.
Saw on history channel a story of Job, note I see that story differently, specifically if Job could not understand, then either he is being used for a bigger reason he would not agree with, and I understand that, it is the reason heaven and hell as reward and punishment would be taught for those that do not do with a desire for better reason or better heart. Basically if you are a servant that will do wrong, then you can't be told that the reason you do is for better, or you wont do it because you are not better. So the answer to why it can not be explained is not that it can not be understood, but that some will not do better even if they know.
However if that is the case then a deception is in play, making that thought not come from pure truth. So pure truth must be about education of better ways, even if some results are not better ways. The only explanation for job being told he could not understand is either a limitation on the thing that could explain to him, or a desire for him not to know. By him having such wealth to start from, it is likely he was lacking or weak in 2nd and 3rd defense, and from that would not understand the purpose of those actions, as the telling of that story seems to not understand them. He can not understand by his lack of perfection in 2nd and 3rd defense, since if he was told some selfishness would inhibit his choice. And since all people lack perfection, knowledge becomes an inhibitor to action, but to reach that better thought of perfection education must exist, or people are expendable, so people learning until perfect is the only explanation for pure love and truth, including the prideful angels learning, in my view, the purpose job could not understand if told, since would he also be able to love his enemy, without 2nd and 3rd defense, as shown by his accumulation of wealth, probably not.
I think I understand why people can not 'understand' because there heart does not match the goal, and if they did understand they would have to learn to believe that goal better.
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