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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:00 PM
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What is the last humanitarian mission that spent $225 million on Tomahawak missiles?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:02 PM
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1. But...but...we're spreading FREEDOM
FREEDOM is on the MARCH!

FREEDOM!

You can't be against FREEDOM, can you?

Besides ______________ is a brutal dictator!

__________________ hooribly _______________ to his own PEOPLE!!!


(feel free to fill in blanks with whomever we're bombing at the time)
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:03 PM
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2. Would you have rather had Gaddafi bomb Benghazi and kill 700,000 people?
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 05:05 PM by Tx4obama
Gaddafi's army, mercenaries, and snipers had already killed over 8,000 protesters/civilians BEFORE the no-fly zone mission was started.

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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:05 PM
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5. Now that's just silly
Why not say 1,000,000 as long as you're just making numbers up? Not only is 1,000,000 a nice, round number, but you can draw it out for dramatic effect..."one meeelyun people"

:eyes:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:16 PM
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14. Benghazi: Second largest city in Libya with population of 670,000
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:18 PM
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16. Were they going to bus in an additional 30,000 before they started shelling the city?
At least get the hyperbole correct
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:18 PM
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17. Is he going to import 30,000 people so he can kill them?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:23 PM
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24. Don't be silly. You know that they have been using the 700,000 number all week on TV. n/t
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:24 PM
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28. well, if it''s on tv, it must be true. n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:42 PM
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44. There is a great thing called GOOGLE. You can go there and do a search for ...
Benghazi Libya Population
and then tons of links will come up and you can read for yourself about the population numbers.
Doing searches on the internet is a amazing thing, you really should try it :)


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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:25 PM
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30. You are being attacked for rounding.
I'd laugh if it weren't so stupid m
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:31 PM
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36. Um, no
They're being "attacked" for grossly exaggerating potential casualties. You're assuming that Ghaddafi would exterminate every single person in Benghazi. Even when we nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki it didn't kill every person in those cities. Not even close.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:41 PM
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43. Rounding 670,000 to 700,000 is a gross exaggeration? LOL
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:59 PM
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60. eh... what's a few thousand here or there- we don't give a shit
about them anyway?????

Does it matter if its only 10,000 people who die? Where do you say "ok, that number makes them eligible for my concern"???

This is absurd.

:shrug:

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:24 PM
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26. That is the stupidest post today.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:25 PM
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29. It was.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:06 PM
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:07 PM
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7. That's what I'd like to know.
We need a list of who is worth saving and who's not.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:15 PM
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11. Maybe you should start with a list of who is at risk
and what Gaddafi's capability was.

And then, who is left after all the freedom bombing.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:15 PM
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12. Me too. When are we going into Venezuela and Saudi Arabia?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:19 PM
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18. Oh, could you post a link to show me where the leaders of Venezuela and SA said they were going to..
go in and kill all the people in their 2nd largest city.
I guess I missed that!

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:21 PM
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21. Here's your to-do list.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:22 PM
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23. Apparently that is of no consequence.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:24 PM
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27. What? You don't think freedom-loving Venezuelans are worth saving?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:39 PM
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41. Should firemen not save anyone in a burning building if they can't save everyone?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:45 PM
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47. Maybe they could blow up the building with a Tomahawk and catch them before they hiit the ground.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:50 PM
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53. Or Give that fire a stern talking to instead of going in with axes and hoses.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. you war mongerer!! you support... CRUISIE MISSLES!!1!! (and private school latte)
:cry:

:D
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:43 PM
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46. Eleventycrisis11!!11
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #7
62. How about a list of who pleaded with the UN for help and who did not?
That seems like a good starting place.

:hi:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:10 PM
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66. Find it and post it.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. The Libyans formed an organized revolution and petitioned the UN for help.
The Iraqis did NOT.

That's the list.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Kyrgyzstan
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:20 PM
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78. The request was not made by an organized resistance group of the people of that country..
The article itself says the requests were made by outside groups. As you know, that is quite different from the situation in Libya.

Also, the article you reference says that Russia and China were not likely to pass it. As you know, in the case of Libya, those two countries abstained from voting.

It is a DIFFERENT situation altogether.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:09 PM
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8. With his four jets?
Even you can't believe those numbers.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:16 PM
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13. I don't think he's even got those now
Libya air force 'unable to fight' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12837330
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:19 PM
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19. Yep, the air force is toast.
Now what will the new excuse be?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:17 PM
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15. I see you edit added 2.000 more victims.
What's the total going to be at 7 pm?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:21 PM
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22. I did not edit to add anything other than the whole sentence. It said 8,000
and it STILL says 8,000.
It is not nice to lie, so perhaps you should stop doing that.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:27 PM
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32. I will after you finish counting 700,000 corpses.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:29 PM
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33. No one said there were 700,000 corpses. Do you know what the word population means? n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 05:29 PM by Tx4obama
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:33 PM
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38. You did.
"Would you have rather had Gaddafi bomb Benghazi and kill 700,000 people?"

What do you suppose becomes of people after you kill them?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:46 PM
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50. Anyone that thinks that Gaddafi wouldn't have gone in and killed the majority of the people ....
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 05:47 PM by Tx4obama
in Benghazi are either high or have not been paying attention.

p.s. For the nit-pickers: This post was edited to change 'a' to 'and'.



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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #50
56.  No, he was not going in to kill 350,000 people.
Who's been feeding you rhis information?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:35 PM
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40. So when are you enlisting/reenlisting/sending your kids to enlist?
Cuz thinking it will end in two days is deluded.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
55. No one said it would end in 'two' days.
And as far as my enlisting/reenlisting or if I have children or not is NONE of your business.

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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:58 PM
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58. Just show me in the constitution where it's in the USA's job description to be
playground monitor for the entire fucking planet. And how did we get this position? Were we elected? If we were I'm willing to bet it was a fixed vote on some rigged diebold machines and a whole pile of eligible voters were kept away from the polls.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:18 PM
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70. so were the bad guys killing protestors/civilians
or REBELS? Probably hard to tell the difference. Muhammad with a sign can be Muhammad with a gun in about 10 seconds.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:25 PM
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71. Of the 8,000+ that were killed 'before' the no-fly zone were .....
a mix of everyone: unarmed protesters/civilians (killed by Gaddafi's army and the mercenaries he imported) , military folks that refused to shoot civilians, etc.

Btw, Yesterday Gaddafi's snipers on rooftops were shooting 'everyone' that were in the streets in Misurata.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:03 PM
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3. "Alex, the answer is 'What is the first 35 seconds of Shock and Awe'?"
"Correct, pick another category."

Our whole nation is in big-time jeopardy from our profligate ways.

PB
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:03 PM
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4. Pat?
Pat Buchannan?
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Runework Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:13 PM
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9. if it was about human life
put 125 million into medicine and food for africa

put the rest here into health care


more lives saved
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Your go-to guy for humanitarian missions is Pat Buchannan?
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:21 PM
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20. Once again, Pat Buchannan redefines "protectionist". eom
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:26 PM
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31. I am shocked by many of the comments on this thread.
Gaddafi went on TV and announced that he was sending in his army to kill the people of Benghazi.
The folks in Benghazi pleaded for HELP.
What were we supposed to do? Stand by eating popcorn while we watched the massacre?

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:30 PM
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34. Let the rest of the world take care of him...while the USA stays out of a war
for a change???? We DO NOT have to get involved in every "humanitarian" mission. WE'RE BROKE. OUR COUNTRY CANNOT AFFORD THIS. Why is that so difficult to understand?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. That is ridiculous.
The missiles were made and paid for years ago.
The defense budget is not going to magically change even if we didn't go into Libya.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Bullshit.
DEBT:

As of February 28, 2011, the Total Public Debt Outstanding of the United States of America was $14.19 trillion and was 96.8% of calendar year 2010's annual gross domestic product (GDP) of $14.66 trillion. Using 2010 figures, the total debt (96.3% of GDP) ranked 12th highest against other nations.<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

DEFICIT:

WASHINGTON — A surge in oil prices helped push imports up at the fastest pace in 18 years in January, giving the country the largest trade deficit in six months.

The Commerce Department said Thursday the January deficit increased 15.1 percent to $46.3 billion. <snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42005784/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

UNEMPLOYMENT:

The number of unemployed persons (13.7 million) and the unemployment rate (8.9
percent) changed little in February. The labor force was about unchanged over
the month.<snip>

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

HOMELESSNESS:

In a recent approximation USA Today estimated 1.6 million people unduplicated persons used transitional housing or emergency shelters. Of these people, approximately 1/3 are members of households with children, a nine percent increase since 2007. Another approximation is from a study done by the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty which states that approximately 3.5 million people, 1.35 million of them children, are likely to experience homelessness in a given year (National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, 2007).<snip>

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/How_Many.html

INFRASTRUCTURE:

<snip>
“How bad is our nation’s infrastructure deficit? A recent report card from the American Society of Civil Engineers estimated that it will cost $2.2 trillion over a five-year period to raise the U.S. infrastructure grade from poor to acceptable. Measure this against the roughly $100 billion from the 2009 “stimulus” legislation that had in fact gone toward infrastructure construction projects as of last fall. Deficit-ridden cities find putting off preventive maintenance and replacing obsolete equipment as tempting ways to cut budgets. Henry Petroski, professor of civil engineering and history at Duke University, warns: “Potholes know no politics….Bridges will corrode and collapse. Pipes will crack and burst. The physical foundations of our civilization will crumble under the weight of our complaints about it and our neglect of it. It will happen so fast it will be impossible to keep up with its repair.”

“The dilemma posed by infrastructure spending was seen in microcosm last fall when New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie stopped work on a new commuter-train tunnel that would run under the Hudson River into Manhattan. A federally-assisted project that was supposed to cost $8.7 billion faced a revised cost of $11 billion to $14 billion. “I can’t put taxpayers on a never-ending hook,” Christie said. The fact that the nation can’t even afford to build a railroad tunnel under a river highlighted the failure of government to bring the nation’s infrastructure up to 21st century standards. This includes America’s out-of-sight network of water systems, some of them built by our great-grandparents and now threatening public health and safety.

“Meantime, many nations around the world look to the future by developing critical infrastructure. China plans to spend $295 billion in the next decade to build a high-speed rail network, totaling 10,000 miles, that will connect its major cities. A World Bank report last July praised the project, saying it could speed passenger traffic, free up overloaded freight routes and reduce dependence on autos. One route, between Shanghai and Beijing, could cut travel time from 10 hours to four at speeds up to 302 mph. And China will spend $10 billion to connect the inland cities of Chengdu and Xi’an with a 320-mile railroad that will cut travel time to two hours from the current 13. Contrast this with the decision by the newly elected governors of Wisconsin and Ohio to forgo $1.2 billion in stimulus money for passenger-rail projects in their states. And a high-speed rail project in California that would connect Los Angeles and San Francisco has been derided by critics as “a train to nowhere” because the first leg would connect L.A. with the inland city of Bakersfield.

“While the United States is in retreat from big public works projects, on the grounds of can’t-afford-it, other nations with equally bad debt problems have taken a different course. Britain’s prime minister, David Cameron, cut dozens of social and military programs when he took office last fall. But he also unveiled a National Infrastructure Plan, a blueprint for spending $316 billion of public and private money over five years in his country’s railways, power stations, roads, internet access and scientific research. “The government is keen to point out,” said The Economist (Oct. 30, 2010), “that unlike many of its predecessors it has avoided the temptation to slash capital spending during a downturn, a habit that helps explain the current ropy state of the national infrastructure.”<snip>

http://kgab.com/infrastructure-decay-in-the-united-states-cost-2-2-trillion/

COST of LIVING:

U.S. cost of living hits record, passes pre-crisis high
By John Melloy, CNBC

One would think that after the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, Americans could at least catch a break for a while with deflationary forces keeping the cost of living relatively low. That's not the case.

A special index created by the Labor Department to measure the actual cost of living for Americans hit a record high in February, according to data released Thursday, surpassing the old high in July 2008. The Chained consumer price index, released along with the more widely-watched CPI, increased 0.5% to 127.4, from 126.8 in January. In July 2008, just as the housing crisis was tightening its grip, the Chained consumer price index hit its previous record of 126.9.

"The Federal Reserve continues to focus on the rate of change in inflation," said Peter Bookvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak. "Sure, it's moving at a slower pace, but the absolute cost of living is now back at a record high in a country that has seven million less jobs."

The regular CPI, which has already been at a record for a while, increased 0.5%, the fastest pace in 1-1/2 years. However, the Fed's preferred measure, CPI excluding food and energy, increased by just 0.2%. <snip>

U.S. CITIZENS WHO HAVE NO HEALTH CARE INSURANCE:

Number of uninsured Americans rises to 50.7 million

By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY

A record rise in the number of people without health insurance across the nation is fueling renewed debate over a health care law that could to work better at boosting coverage than controlling costs.

More than 50 million people were uninsured last year, almost one in six U.S. residents, the Census Bureau reported Thursday. The percentage with private insurance was the lowest since the government began keeping data in 1987.

The reasons for the rise to 50.7 million, or 16.7%, from 46.3 million uninsured, or 15.4%, were many: workers losing their jobs in the recession, companies dropping employee health insurance benefits, families going without coverage to cut costs. Driving much of the increase, however, was the rising cost of medical care; a Kaiser Family Foundation report shows workers now pay 47% more than they did in 2005 for family health coverage, while employers pay 20% more.

SENIORS: Despite recession, they see income gains

Although the health care law signed by President Obama in March is designed to insure an additional 32 million people in public and private programs, it doesn't fully kick in until 2014. For the next few years, experts say, the problem could get worse. The average cost to insure a family of four is already about $14,000.<snip>

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-17-uninsured17_ST_N.htm


TEACHER SALARIES IN THE UNITED STATES:

Every few years the American Federation of Teachers releases a Teacher Salary Trends report about teacher salaries across the United States. This information helps teachers decide where to teach and how much they should earn. The latest report indicated that the average teacher salary was $47,602. The Federation indicated that unfortunately, teachers are struggling to find housing in their areas that they can afford on their salaries. As more teachers pursue additional education after receiving their bachelor’s degree, their student loan debt increases dramatically. New teachers may not start at an average teacher salary and could therefore struggle even more than veteran teachers, who may have higher salaries.<snip>

http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/teacher-salaries-by-state/

CONDITION of U.S. PUBLIC SCHOOLS:

Schools

Spending on the nation’s schools grew from $17 billion in 1998 to a peak of $29 billion in 2004. However, by 2007 spending fell to $20.28 billion. No comprehensive, authoritative nationwide data on the condition of America’s school buildings has been collected in a decade. The National Education Association’s best estimate to bring the nation’s schools into good repair is $322 billion.<snip>

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/fact-sheet/schools

UNION BUSTING BECAUSE THE STATES ARE BROKE:

Governors who are less prone to macho posturing than Walker are pleading poverty – "we're broke!" they say. And indeed, they are.<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/18/us-unions-wisconsin1

UNITED STATE OF AMERICA LETS U.S. CITIZENS GO HUNGRY:

Record numbers go hungry in the US

Government report shows 50m people unable to put food on the table at some point last year.<snip>

<snip>
The number of children living in households where there were shortages of food at times rose by nearly one-third to 17 million. The report says that most parents who did not get enough to eat ensured their offspring received sufficient food but that more than 1 million children still suffered outright hunger.

The worst affected states are in the south with Mississippi having the largest proportion of its population enduring shortages of food followed by Texas and Arkansas. More than half of those affected are minorities, principally black people and Hispanics.<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/17/millions-hungry-households-us-report

COST OF IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN WARS:

Jan 14 (Reuters) - The cost to U.S. taxpayers of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001 has topped $1 trillion, and President Barack Obama is expected to request another $33 billion to fund more troops this year.

Over two-thirds of the money has been spent on the conflict in Iraq since 2003. This year is the first in which more funds are being spent in Afghanistan than Iraq, as the pace of U.S. military operations slows in Iraq and quickens in Afghanistan.

HOW MUCH HAS BEEN SPENT ALREADY?

Congress has approved $1.05 trillion dollars for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the National Priorities Project, a nonpartisan budget research group that has a continuously running war cost counter on its website.

The tally topped $1 trillion last month, when U.S. lawmakers approved the fiscal 2010 defense spending bill that included $128 billion to be spent on the two conflicts through Sept. 30. The trillion-dollar total includes war-related costs incurred by the State Department, like embassy security.<snip>

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/14/afghanistan-iraq-usa-costs-idUSN1415708320100114



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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:39 PM
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42. None of what you posted has anything at all to do with Libya.

Obama Administration: There Are No Current Plans To Ask Congress For Libya Funds

Among the features of America’s military involvement in Libyan airspace that has given some lawmakers pause: the cost. At a time when belt-tightening is the domestic political rage, writing checks to help support a no-fly zone half a world away has, for some critics, raised the question of President Barack Obama's budget priorities.

On Monday, National Journal tallied costs from the first day of Libya air strikes, estimating that the launch of more than 100 tomahawk missiles totaled somewhere from $112 million to $168 million. Within that range lie the cuts that House Republicans have proposed to the National Weather Service budget -- money that would be used for, among other things, tsunami-warning systems.

According to administration officials, however, the choice facing the president is not an either/or, since there are no current plans to ask Congress for a supplemental bill to pay for the military intervention in Libya.

"The operation in Libya is being funded with existing resources at this point. We are not planning to request a supplemental at this time,” Office of Management and Budget spokesman Kenneth Baer said Monday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/obama-libya-funds-congress_n_838707.html

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:46 PM
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49. The hell it doesn't. Existing resources are still OUR TAX DOLLARS.
Where do you think the money comes from? Thin air? It grows on trees?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:49 PM
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52. And you think that money that is allocated to depts comes back if it isn't used?
That is delusional thinking.
Once that money has been appropriated in a budget it is GONE.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:01 PM
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63. Exactly where did that money come from in the first place?
Before it was allocated?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:51 PM
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54. omg-
I've heard that line before- but rarely here on DU.

Money, money, money, money. Our Tax Dollars.


:(
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:04 PM
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64. Ya, ya, ya...we'll see how sad you are
when your schools have no funds, your streets crumble, your bridges crumble.

And I've heard cheer-leading for WARS, but rarely on DU. :( :( :(
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:31 PM
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72. No one is cheerleading for war. People are trying to save the folks in Benghazi from being killed.
The money that goes into defense is not going to magically start to go for schools and/or infrastructure.
Even if we didn't go into Libya via the UN resolution, the defense budget would remain the same or probably increase.

Is it your view that we shouldn't have done anything to stop Hitler because it cost money?

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:40 PM
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74. if you think that refusing to participate in this UN effort would
make ANY tangible difference in the push to de-fund our social systems, you are naive.

I'm not 'cheer leading' any war, and never have. Most of the people I've interacted with here on DU who support the UN resolution do so after a lot of soul-searching, and questioning. I don't advocate violence. I opposed both Afghanistan and Iraq. I DID support Pres. Clinton on Kosovo.

There are many reasons to oppose intervention - MONEY is a really sad and selfish one imo. I'm a single mom without any outside support and have lived below poverty level for the last 15yrs. I understand how necessary money is. But I also understand what it is like to suffer, and to need help from others- and because of that, I can't support turning our backs- and trying to justify that by saying "sorry we just don't have the money'.

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:56 PM
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57. Just send a note to the government and ask them to allocate 'your' tax money to ...
buying library books, or taking care of our national parks, or to build a bridge or something like that.
Then you won't have to worry about the rest of us that want to help rescue the second largest city in Libya ;)

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:45 PM
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48. Because of Venezuela or something.
:shrug:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:48 PM
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51. not shocked, but sure as hell saddened.
The illusion that compassion and unselfishness is a strong liberal quality is making itself more and more obvious.

:shrug:


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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:59 PM
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59. Stencil those words on the next hundred Tomahawks.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:17 PM
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69. when money is used as the reasoning, I have a very hard time
supporting the argument.

I'm not a war monger- and don't make a habit of advocating war. Sitting back and doing nothing isn't something I can support or defend.

Saying 'we can't afford to help' is a pretty sad excuse, coming from a nation who has more wealth than much of the rest of the world.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:06 PM
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65. As is the illusions that LIBERALS abhor WAR......is making itself more and more
obvious. :shrug:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:50 PM
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76. the reasoning you are promoting
that "we can't afford it" really doesn't fit with any liberal mindset imo.

There are liberals who have reluctantly supported the use of force to save the lives of others. I believe this is one of them. That doesn't make war any less abhorrent. Until such a time that we find a better way to effectively deal with this.

Money is just pieces of paper when you come right down to it. Promises of 'work'. Created by humans as a means of controlling others. People and living things should matter more than money imo.

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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:11 PM
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67. Obviously, that is what *some* here Enjoy doing the most, and since...
they don't have any Anti-War rally to go to (for nothing), they like to poke fun at those who hope something can be done to prevent Rwanda 2.

Maybe they had a fest watching Rwanda 1. :shrug:
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:31 PM
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35. I Think Some Corporatists Might Call It Humanitarian That The U.S. Government Paid......
Edited on Wed Mar-23-11 05:35 PM by global1
probably a lot more than $225 million to General Dynamics to manufacture the Tomahawk missiles for us. I say this in the spirit of 'corporate welfare' and the tax 'entitlement' program that is given to corporations.

Paying to purchase them is humanitarian. Using them for a good intentioned purpose is wrong. Hmmmmm..... How screwed up are we?

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 05:43 PM
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45. When was the last time an armed rebellion was saved from an ass-kicking
by calling the save a humanitarian mission?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:00 PM
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61. The check to Raytheon?
:shrug:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:12 PM
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68. Recommend
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Puregonzo1188 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 06:35 PM
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73. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo? You know all the other humanitarian missions that always
coincide with US economic and geopolitical interests and involve bombing people to save them.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:25 PM
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79. Rec'd. n/t
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