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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:45 PM
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Each cruise missile fired
at a cost of 1.5 million per could pay a teacher or a cop or a firefighter 50,000 per year for 30 YEARS.

Each missile.

30 YEARS.

Yeah.

Priorities.
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 07:55 PM
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1. You forgot about the Ray-Gun!
Seriously, an aircraft carrier and its support group costs some serious money when out on the water and in full operative gear (I have been out of the Navy for far too long to remember what all that shit was called).

Sonoman
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:03 PM
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2. Ten grand an hour for fuel for each jet
Costs of the ships fuel are 'way up there too.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:08 PM
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3. and why the he'll does it cost that much?
it isn't any smarter than my $400 phone.

but yeah. like eisenhower said-every shot that is fired... it a theft
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:09 PM
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4. You just don't understand what the return on investment on these babies is...
all that charred metal, burnt tires and exploding munitions. You just can't have that kind of fun on the cheap.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:36 PM
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17. "...charred metal, burnt tires and exploding munitions..."
....yes, there's a small fortune to be made for a courageous enterprising junker....I'm tempted to gas up my truck and head East....

....I'm not sweating it....I'm still trying to figure out why bush & brenner lost 8 billion dollars and no one cares....

....a few hundred mill on Tomahawks?....chump change....
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:11 PM
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5. So even if it would save lives...
you would not do it because of...MONEY?

Just sayin'.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:13 PM
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7. You are so right... plus, it is a false dichotomy. Those cuts were already in the works.
There is NO direct connection, and they know it.

Dishonest.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:43 PM
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11. Oh I see it's a false dichotomy...
You of all people are going to stand up for this when there were much cheaper and easier ways to help the Libyans? Funny I thought you were an advocate of the homeless and poor. My mistake.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:18 PM
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16. Give it a rest.
There aren't going to be funds for poor and homeless people because poor people are the abused children of the Democratic party. Those cuts have already been in the works, and are certain to be put through, because NONE of you are willing to speak up.

Libya had nothing to do with it and you know it, so drop the snark on me. I'm sick of it.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 02:49 PM
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20. Done. You are right.
Bombing Libya was a fucking brilliant idea who's time had finally come. We have the money, the weapons and no one in this country is suffering so yeah rock on..
:rofl:

Oh and if you don't want snark then leave me the fuck alone. I didn't ask you to post something rude about me. You did that all on your own without having the balls to do it to my face. If you don't like what I have to say you can present an honest counter argument or there is an ignore button, there was no need to attack me. And less of a need to do it in response to another persons post.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:40 PM
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10. There were other options.
We could have assassinated Gadhafi and his kid. No muss no fuss get rid of the loony fucks and let the Libyans sort out their new government themselves.


I understand your point and I'm all for helping Libya, but I notice we didn't go running in to save millions of lives in Darfur, we are not in Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, cops in Iraq are shooting protesters...

This pick and choose crap is a load of shit.

And the point of my post was the government had no problem coming up with a billion dollars to "help" Libya. But when it comes to Americans? Start sacrificing.



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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:46 PM
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12. Your "Other Options" are illegal
We can not assassinate the head of another country and plus if we took out Ghaddafi, his sons would still be there.

Please do read up on the situation in Libya before you talk about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or Iraq. We are not at war because Ghaddafi is a dictator or that there were protests in Libya. We are striking them before they get to the civilians and butcher them.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:00 PM
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14. LMFAO You think this attack is "legal"? You think
the war in Iraq was legal? What the fuck does legal have to do with it? When did we all of a sudden become a law abiding country? And do you think the Libyans give a shit if it's illegal or not? Somehow I think the families of the collateral damage victims would have rather seen an assassination.

I would have taken out Gafahfi and his sons. And I wouldn't have lost a fucking minute of sleep over it legal or not.

And maybe it's you who should be reading about what is going on in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq before you sit there and try to tell me that those countries are not shooting their protesters just like Gadahfi..

I know why we went in there and I'm all for helping the Libyans. I also know there were easier, better and safer ways of dealing with this problem.

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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 09:03 PM
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15. The attacks are a part of UN mandate but assassinations are not
Try again.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:13 PM
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6. It does not matter if they are fired or not.
They will still be made.
If we hadn't gone to Libya the missiles would have sat in a stockpile.
When each one expires after 15 years, they are replaced by new ones.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 05:46 PM
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21. I hate that you are right about that.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:14 PM
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8. Yup... no money for public servants, but Libya gets the Platinum Freedom Package!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:18 PM
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9. But , don't you see...?
It's a circle of violence.

Yes, each of those missiles cost over a million dollars but those tanks and planes and airfields and other weapons systems that they blow up cost even more.

Where and how do they replace them?

Who is the largest arms dealer in the world?

We blow them up so we can replace them with newer and better weapons of destruction.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 08:48 PM
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13. Believe me I know.
Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast. Great book, a nice look inside the Military Industrial Complex. If people actually knew how many billions were wasted every year on weapons that don't work, or just on ideas that border on lunacy, the one that stuck out from the book was something like 27 million to figure out how to shoot marines out of torpedo tubes and up onto the beach so the navy could get involved in the war in the desert. True story.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:49 AM
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19. Libya is equiped with Russian weapons
Unlikely anything they lose will be replaced with US weapons.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:46 AM
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18. They were a sunk cost
Unless the production quantities are expanded to make up for the missiles expended, there was no additional cost to using them
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