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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:02 PM Original message |
I'm gonna get my backside kicked for this... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. Pro nukes has been posting that info for weeks. Fact is, we do have other choices |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Here you go: Rehab for Nuclear Junkies |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Nice. FYI, I've greatly appreciated your contributions on DU. Please keep it up. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hands you a pillow |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Thanks |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You are welcome! |
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NV Whino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
4. It doesn't take into account nuclear waste |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. I thought they were just going to launch that shit into space ... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Nah, they mix it with asbestos and cement |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Math" and "Science" are unpopular these days |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. Tell that to future generation who'll be stuck with spent fuel in disintegrating casks. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. +1 |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Thing is, there is energy in the "spent" fuel |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The OP noted that the nuke industry pushes alternative nukes. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Oh, if we could only |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. Portugal went from 17% to 45% renewable sources to generate electricity in 5 years. |
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Newest Reality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
10. I advise you to look into the overall and long-term impact |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. And the long-term impact of fossil fuels is... ? |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Admittedly, diesel trucks are a bad thing. |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Yep, that's true |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It will be a lot easier when the money we earn isn't paid to the wealthy. n/t |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The non-upper classes are a resource to be mined |
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Newest Reality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Overall, everything we do is now based on fossil fuels. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. I'm sorry, but do you actually understand energy issues? |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I understand energy |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 01:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Follow up with Kempton (offshore wind paper) for V2G. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. As if bio-diesel does not exist. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Bio-diesel has problems. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Actually petro diesel gels as well, albeit at lower temperatures than biodiesel, |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Petro diesel gels at a much, much lower temperature |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. I don't see where they've taken into account the scale: Nuclear, 6%, fossil fuels, 85%? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. +1 |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. All that risk just to BOIL some WATER? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. Or a cavity magnetron tube... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
44. This might help put it into perspective using1/3 of global electric as benchmark |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. +1...People need to read this... n/t |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes. Fossil fuels are worse. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Undeniably? |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Yes, undeniably true |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. Try telling that to a Chernobyl victim |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Why Don't The Japanese Experts Bury These Reactors in Mud and Cement, Like They Did in Chernobyl? |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. They need to control and then cool the plant. Because the core is not exploded |
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Mojeoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Big "gulp!" So is |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. This is radiation... just be sure you get your scale correct. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
22. Yeah, you are. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
25. 50 people being killed individually in car accidents are less media worthy than 1 accident killing50 |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Yep, you have to figure in the risks of the nuclear waste. (nt) |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-23-11 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
26. "My dad used to say that people are afraid of a deadly thing which they can not see, |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. How does building reactors make sense when renewables are ready to go now? |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Are you claiming natural gas is renewable? (nt) |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Renewables are so far from being ready it's nearly a joke |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Sorry you are wrong. Three years isn't even close. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 01:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. China signed a contract with Shaw to |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
31. Both are bad choices - kind of like our current government |
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mindwalker_i (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yeah, you said it |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
34. How many does Wind Energy kill? |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 01:19 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. +100000000000000000 |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
61. How many what? People or birds and bats? |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. Everything has drawbacks should we do nothing? |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-25-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Doing nothing is not an option. But we do have to remember |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. More than nuclear in the US. Falls and industrial squishings |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
37. No burning of fossil fuels -- and no nukes -- move to alternative GREEN energy -- solar/wind ... |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. You would need nuclear to reduce the population to where that would work, that or Smallpox |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
41. Thank you for your concern. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. Key words to this sentiment: |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
48. And nuclear doesn't do it slowly as well? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Yeah, but more people die in car crashes, so... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. False analogy there, |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I know. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
50. I don't think it is quite that absolute |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
53. Support for your comment |
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ehrnst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
54. Cars kill more people than planes - but that doesn't mean that planes need lots more |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
57. humans cheat. corporations cheat. you can't cheat nuclear power. many people die. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
58. Use nuclear temporarily while developing solar |
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vicarofrevelwood (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
60. Then at least Let's Use a safer Kind, |
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BrookBrew (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. There is fact, fear, and agenda pushing all in one. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
69. Nuclear power kills fewer people than fossil fuels... |
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