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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:48 PM
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If we have enough money to fight Libya, then we dont need to cut any social programs.
I hope all Dems can agree on that!
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-11 11:52 PM
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1. What deficit?

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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:13 AM
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2. +1
we should still end the wars too though.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:15 AM
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3. The military spending argument is won on the basis of national security
You can't make that argument with this fiasco EXCEPT on the weaker basis of "strategic national interests" = oil.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:16 AM
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4. Aha.... but that's the trick -- there is ALWAYS money for war -- and it's why ultimately
there is no lock box that can secure Social Security funds from borrowing which continues

even now!!

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 12:37 AM
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5. Defend and Protect, you always nail it!
Ever since the Vietnam War 'we' the citizens of the United States who WORK to produce the money politicians spend haven't been able to improve our personal security. In real inflation adjusted dollars our middle class parents and grandparents were twice as rich as we are and felt more secure.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:21 AM
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6. Agree -- and every dollar anyone had pre-"W" is now worth 40 cents/50 cents ... !!!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:48 AM
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9. +1
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:02 AM
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7. I can agree with that.
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DragonSlave Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:36 AM
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8. Federal Government spending is not revenue constrained
There is no either/or decision here...
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 07:55 AM
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10. I think the general concensus in DC is that social programs be cut to ALLOW for funding war. nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:59 AM
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13. BINGO! there's THAT and pure, unadulterated GREED.
Line the pockets of the wealthy....to make them wealthier. Look what the asshole Governor in Wisconsin did: hundred million dollars in tax breaks to his wealthy contributors and then proceeded to bust the Unions of the working man. Bastards.
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_ed_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:18 AM
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11. The Tomahawk Cruise missiles or LIHEAP
I think we just got our answer from Pres Obama.
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 10:23 AM
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12. Cut the War Budget and Tax The Rich
I agree with what you said, but I would take it a step further.

Every dollar we spend bombing Libya is a dollar we do NOT spend on education, health care, and other important social programs.

I think we need to cut the War Budget and Tax the Rich.

Why can't we all agree on THAT??
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 01:32 PM
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14. I can agree! In fact the majority of Americans, not just Dems agree. Let's get er done, Obama!
That what we sent you there for.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:22 PM
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18. I agree on that
However, I would edit to say that every dollar we spend on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan is a dollar we do not spend on social programs.

I will not agree with you on Libya. And I do find myself wondering why people are up in arms with spending money on Libya but not the countries we invaded and occupied and terrorized. Trying our best to protect civilians is wrong and expensive and a waste of money, but going around killing children with drones is totally cool. We can accept that for years, for nearly a decade, no problem. Whatever.

I've seen the Libyans on Twitter saying that they are perfectly willing to reimburse us when they're free. They've also suggested using Gaddafi's assets to pay for the NFZ.

My personal suggestion to pay for the NFZ is to tax the rich, force the corporations to pay their taxes, end the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, stop giving billions to the Israeli military, stop giving bailouts to corporations, etc.

Every time I hear someone complain about the cost of the NFZ, I am reminded of the joke about the CEO, the union worker, and the non-union worker. There's a dozen cookies. The CEO takes 10, and tells the non-union person to watch out for the union person, they're going to take your cookie.

The Libyans are not your enemy. They are not the ones denying you education, health care, a decent life. That would be our government and the corporations that rule it.

The Libyans are engaged in the same struggle we are - only they're dying for it, not bitching on a political forum and sometimes marching around with signs. Blaming them for the actions of the fascists is more divide and conquer, more keeping the working class hating each other so they don't rise against the owners.

The owners are global. The fight against them is global. We need to show solidarity. The Arabs are good at that - I'm following a lot of Libyans and Egyptians on Twitter and am starting to add some Syrians. They all show solidarity with the freedom fighters in other nations. They are all one hand against the dictators.

Guess that's why they're rising up, and we're not.
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 03:13 PM
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15. Stealing this
to post on facebook, if'n you don't mind.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 04:23 PM
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16. No at all : )
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:04 PM
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17. great way to say it!
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:25 PM
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19. Can definitely agree on that.
K&R
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revolutionnow45 Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:30 PM
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20. WE never needed to cut social programs
WE need to tax the greedy rich that are hoarding all the money...and tell the politicians to keep their grubby little hands off of our social security. Problem solved.
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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:34 PM
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21. bravo
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:36 PM
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22. You *do* have enough money; it's just distributed very badly...
No need to let the Libyans suffer for that. If Obama hadn't extended the Bush tax cuts, you'd have saved billions of dollars.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:37 PM
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23. K/R
What deficit? There isn't one or they would not be so willing to have wars of choice and tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:40 PM
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24. I agree.
What is it--- a million bucks a bomb? Disgusting.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 08:44 PM
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25. i agree wholeheartedly.
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