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Thu Mar-24-11 10:23 AM
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Americans Approve of Military Action Against Libya, 47% to 37% |
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Source: GallupPRINCETON, NJ -- A Gallup poll conducted Monday finds more Americans approving than disapproving of the military action against Libya by the United States and other countries. http://www.gallup.com/poll/146738/Americans-Approve-Military-Action-Against-Libya.aspx
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:24 AM
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Americans really are warmongers.
That is so sad.
Every dollar we spend on this useless War in Libya is a dollar that we do not spend to feed hungry children.
I'm embarrassed to be an American.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:25 AM
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2. It isn't even a majority though. Very weak support. |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:27 AM
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3. Really? I'm proud that more Americans realize isolationism is a recipe for disaster. |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:30 AM
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We have bombed a country that did nothing to us.
Libya did not attack the US.
We have engaged in yet one more preemptive war.
What you call "isolationism" I call "not engaging in preemptive war".
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:34 AM
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8. UN sactions, actions... |
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Like it or not, the global institution, of which we are apart, decided to take action. Again, glad the majority of people who gave an answer realize it. Thoroughly just actions taken so far.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:45 AM
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15. Aren't The Arab States Part of "The Global Institution"?? |
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Correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't there over 100 countries that are part of "The Global Institution"?
Aren't some of those countries Arab countries with the capacity to take action against Libya?
So why is it that the US (primarily) is doing the bombing?
Could it be that the US used its influence in "the Global Institution" to get that institution to do what the US wanted to do in the first place?
I might agree that the US was simply carrying out the wishes of "The Global Institution" were it not for the fact that the US (with its long history of warmongering) is doing most of the bombing against another country that did not attack or threaten the US.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:14 AM
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26. The US waited for the UN to approve action before taking action |
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There is no grand conspiracy here. The US is acting as part of the UN just like the other countries enforcing the no-fly zone. Which happens to include some Arab states.
I stand by what I said in my original response to this--it is a just and responsible action and I am glad the majority of Americans who responded realize it.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:24 AM
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Korea was a UN War.
That did not make the US's involvement in that war any more honorable.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:30 AM
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32. Enforcing a NFZ is not the same as a protracted ground floor during the beginning of the Cold War |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:41 AM
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11. What you call a preemptive war I call following the UN resolution on the Responsibility to Protect. |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:49 AM
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17. Why Is The US Doing Most Of The Bombing? |
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Many other countries have the ability to put a no-fly zone in place over Libya.
Yet the US -- long a country that has demonstrated its warmongering tendencies -- is doing most of the bombing.
Not Russia. Not China.
Germany is pulling out.
No Arab state is participating.
This is NOT a world-wide effort.
This is the US engaging -- once again -- in preemptive war.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:42 AM
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12. I think you're giving them too much credit. |
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Look how many people believed Saddam and 9/11 were related. It's pretty easy to convince the American people drop bombs on he Middle East.
And I wish I got paid every time I see people using the word "isolationism". It has to be word #1 on the checklist. ;)
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:47 AM
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16. Trying to mock isolationism doesn't change the fact that we have responsibilities as part of the UN |
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Which we took and which people seem to understand. Comparing it to Iraq doesn't change that.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:11 AM
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24. I'm having fun noting the use of the word in these debates. |
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Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 11:11 AM by Forkboy
It's a buzzword, and used with a purpose to frame the debate. Most issues usually develop a buzzword or two that are used in that way, sometimes consciously and sometimes not, and I'm just noting that "isolationism" is one of them in this debate.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:16 AM
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27. Ah, similar to "Military Industrial Complex"...gotcha. Apologies. n/t |
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Thu Mar-24-11 12:48 PM
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35. Yes, that can be one as well. |
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There's a bunch of them. Often when they're used they shift the debate away from the issue and onto the term itself. That's sometimes the intent. I've always been really interested in how all of us on a daily basis manipulate others and get manipulated ourselves. In both cases it's often subconscious, and it's not necessarily for negative intents, but it's there. And the way this happens the most is through communication and the words we choose as much as the idea behind them. Like astronomy and hockey, I find it endlessly fascinating. :)
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:54 AM
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18. Lol I think you confuse isolationism with non-interventionism. |
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Our country as a whole suffers from a disease of minding everyone else's business..to a fault.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:11 AM
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25. Nope. I meant isolationism |
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Defined like the isolationists before the US got involved in WWI.
Reason I call it isolationism and not non-intervention is because the rest of the world, through the UN, is acting. If the US decided to not do so, and to stay out of a global matter as one of the leaders of the UN, that is isolationism. It would be ignoring our responsibilities in line with the UN charter.
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Thu Mar-24-11 01:44 PM
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37. Preemptive war and isolationism |
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Edited on Thu Mar-24-11 01:45 PM by WatsonT
these are our two options?
Did we ever applaud Germany for their refusal to fall in to the dreaded scourge of Isolationism back in the day?
Personally I'd prefer a world made up exclusively of isolationist countries (militarily) than one made up exclusively of let's say more militarily adventurous types.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:55 AM
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20. Yes we are, and it is very sad, I agree. |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:28 AM
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4. Fine...then don't bitch and moan about the deficit... |
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But you will...you will...
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:29 AM
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5. Americans always approve of military action |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:56 AM
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:47 AM
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33. I was careful to not say "a majority of" much less "all" |
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and I did not mean to imply either
If my phrasing was misleading I apologize.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:31 AM
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7. The percentage who disapprove is almost equal to those who believe in evolution |
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Believe in Darwin's theory of evolution: 39% Disapprove of military action against Libya: 37% Believe in anthropogenic global warming: 36%
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:37 AM
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9. Rachel called Libya a "War-zone" last night. Loud and clear. |
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I believe her, when she said we are at "WAR".
Air War, Ground War, Sea War - it's all WAR!
Not 'Military Action' - not 'International Effort', not 'Police action'
It's fucking WAR! Put that in the poll question instead of 'Military Action' and see what the results are.
Just wanted to get that out there, yes, I feel better now.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:37 AM
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10. 51% of Democrats approve -- a detail in the story that the OP left out. See the CNN poll, too: |
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x710347That poll found 64% of Democrats approving of a no-fly zone, 50% approving of the U.S. and other countries using planes and missiles to directly attack Gadhafi's troops in Libya, and 28% of Dems saying they'd approve of using ground troops.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:44 AM
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13. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were popular wars....at the outset. |
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Then the bodies started coming home and the bills for them started to add up.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:02 AM
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23. Don't worry. The money will be kept off budget and we won't see the bodies |
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An ignorant populace is a compliant populace.
Gotta give the MIC credit. They've refined the propaganda process since the days of Vietnam.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:19 AM
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29. Don't forget Bosnia - that started as an 'Air War Only' - then we put 20,000 troops on the ground |
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:45 AM
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It amazes me that even though we have 3 branches of government, basiscally one man can decide when we go to war.
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Thu Mar-24-11 10:55 AM
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19. Proud member of the 37% here. |
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:01 AM
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will be a disaster for democratic societies.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:16 AM
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28. And the same people voted Shrub in twice. Nt |
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:21 AM
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30. I'm part of the "37%." |
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It's completely unsurprising that a plurality or even majority would support military intervention in Libya. It just means that anti-war forces must work harder to make their case and win public opinion.
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Thu Mar-24-11 11:48 AM
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34. I wonder how many oppose it because the president is a Democrat |
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You know they're in there.
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Thu Mar-24-11 01:22 PM
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36. Yeah, but how many support it because it's a Democrat created war? |
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Mindless partinsanship knows no party bounds.
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Thu Mar-24-11 01:46 PM
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38. As a percentage of their respective parties probably about the same as support it |
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Thu Mar-24-11 02:20 PM
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39. also... Gallup stated this is the LOWEST support for a US Military action |
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in the history of the poll.
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Thu Mar-24-11 02:22 PM
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40. Hello fellow 37ers. Doesn't it feel great to be on the high road? nt |
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