This is me to our govt. GET THE FUCK OUT OF LIBYA!!!!!!!

[Joe Fields]

I am sick to death of us being the "policemen" of the fucking world. Let the Libyans sort their own shit out.

The downside to this shit is that, as long as we are the world's police, then the bulk of our budget will go toward the pentagon and outsourced entities.

People here at home are hurting. And there are a lot. We must, in good conscious take care of our own first, and quit pretending that we care about "democracy" elsewhere, when everyone knows our govt. only cares, when the nation in question has oil.

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[gateley]

2. Our government to us: YAWN. nt

[tcaudilllg]

18. I am completely unaffected by the death of that Libya blogger.

He was dumb enough to risk his life against overwhelming odds, well there he goes.

I think he would have scored ESFP on the MBTI, judging by what I've read about him so far. Some ESFPs have serious logic issues.

In fact I think Scott Walker is one.

Well to the surprise of no one, this campaign is looking an awful lot like U.S. vs Serbia in 1999. Oh wait, some people are surprised because they are "true believers" in Obama and they didn't think he would betray our values like this. Or they could be of the same or similar personality type as him, and just can't stand to watch the opposition get slaughtered by superior forces (horses against tanks, lol!)

Anyway it looks like Gadhafi miscalculated in using all this armor. If he had instead used a superior numbers approach at Benghazi (marching in troops by the thousands instead of going in with armored cavalry), he would have probably avoided these airstrikes completely.

I think it funny that the Pentagon says it is "saving lives" by destroying armor parked next to houses. Really, it's hilarious irony... and an affirmation of my cynicism that they think Americans will buy into anything they tell them. After Wikileaks, never again.

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[TheWraith]

3. And the two thirds of the public that approves will tell you to go away. nt

[David__77]

9. Being in the minority should never discourage progressives.

After 9/11/01, Bush had nearly 90% approval ratings. Many here were part of the small minority who steadfastly opposed his agenda.

[midnight]

4. For the sake of our future we must cultivate other ways of doing things...

We have to become more thoughtful with peoples life and peoples resources...

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[Skittles]

6. read the details, funny boy

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-likely-to-keep-combat-role-after-libya-shift/767227/

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Yeah, Obama is free & clear of this one alright......

sept that all the real expensive battlefield stuff r us.

[DrDan]

15. and NATO Command and Control is in who's hands . . . . .

[fittosurvive]

16. What's really scary is see one narrative after another suggesting that Americans are "obligated"

to sacrifice their sons, their daughters and their assets to the blind desires and random whims of the UN.

[tcaudilllg]

22. Wait till summer... major protests coming.

I mean really, the allies don't have a chance. Passions at home will drive the coalition apart before enough force can be mustered to remove him. All Gadhafi has to do is stay put and he knows it.

[Amonester]

24. From what we see on DU, it's not just john bolton who wants to destroy the UN.

It seems you have some company.

Just saying.

[fittosurvive]

27. From what we see in the UN, it doesn't need any help in destroying its own credibility.

After all, this is the same UN that appointed Libya to the Human Rights Council.

It is analogous to a crime-fighting committee whose board of directors includes John Gotti and Tony Soprano.

[Amonester]

30. From what we in the UN?

From what WHAT?

Are you sure you're at the right message board????

FYI, this is NOT fr....

Just saying.

[pampango]

26. We are "obligated" to live up to our "obligations". If you want us out of the UN, join the Birchers,

Rand Paul and others. Good luck to you.

Some who agree with you about the UN's involvement in Libya seem to think that the UN is simply a tool of Western aggression. You seem to think that the US is somehow a victim "obligated to sacrifice their sons, their daughters and their assets to the blind desires and random whims of the UN" which is presumably controlled by someone other than the US.

I would rather have the UN have a say in where we use our military. That would have kept us out of Bush 2's disastrous Iraq War (even though it was authorized by our Congress), not to mention Vietnam (assuming that Russia and/or China would have vetoed UN approval) and practically every other military adventure we have conducted in the last 50 years.

[fittosurvive]

34. Nonsense, the we have become involved in more conflicts, not less,

as a result of our involvement in the UN. Furthermore, despite Gaddafi’s known history of thuggery, the UN saw fit to appoint Libya to the Human Rights Council.

Their subsequent attack on him reveals the whimsical naure of their policies in that the difference between human rights and mass slaughter is merely a difference of political opinion.

[Paradoxical]

8. "We must, in good conscious take care of our own first"- Why is that a valid statement?

[TorchTheWitch]

12. because that's the job of the government

It's why countries have governments. Dealing with the needs of the people of a country is the whole purpose of the existence of said country's government.

Crap, has our country gotten so fucked up that its citizens aren't even aware anymore of what the entire purpose of their government is???
:wow:

[Paradoxical]

14. That's not what I asked. I asked why your statement is a valid.

If you're going to tell me that it's valid because the governments primary goal is to care for it's own, then I am going to ask why.

[TorchTheWitch]

20. It wasn't my statement

Secondly, if you need to ask why the role of government is to protect and serve the people it governs I think you're on the wrong site.

[Paradoxical]

21. No I'm questioning the philosophy of "taking care of our own first".

Basically your argument is "fuck all the other people because they aren't American".

Which I think is kind of disgusting.

[BzaDem]

23. +1. The idea that we should allow a mass slaughter to occur simply because the people being

slaughtered didn't win the country-of-birth-lottery is ridiculous.

[TBF]

25. When do we liberate Bahrain, Rwanda, and Sudan? nt

[DutchLiberal]

29. As soon as we have a prospect of winning there, which we do have in Libya...

Earlier this month, the rebels had taken over a very large part of Libya and diplomats and officials were quickly defecting the Qaddafi government. I don't recall that happening in the countries you listed. You have to have a foundation from which you can build.

[TBF]

32. Oh I understand who's winning -

[DutchLiberal]

35. Don't tire yourself! I wouldn't want you to think too much or too deep...

But hey, why would you do that, if you could just post a picture?

I don't think Shell is happy that we're destabilizing their oil supply.

[Paladin]

38. Yeah, Shell Is Really Sad That Oil Is At $105 A Barrel. (n/t)

[DutchLiberal]

40. I think they rather had the oil from Libya, which Qaddafi was selling them...

But go on with your conspiracy theories. Don't let facts get in the way...

[The Northerner]

10. K&R

If only they'd listen...

[indimuse]

11. KNR! n/t

[Imagevision]

13. I agree, however on our way out we should send one really smart bomb to Kadaffi & Sons

[malaise]

17. Ditto

I say take care of democracy at home

[pampango]

19. Better that the UN be the "policeman" or none at all? n/t

[DutchLiberal]

28. Usually you only see this kind of ugly and nasty nationalism on Free Repubic...

"Let the Libyans sort their own shit out."

They're only poor brown people, and muslims too. Let them get killed; let them die. Why should we care?

[Amonester]

31. Yep. It's like a coordinated effort.

We are under attack, no doubt about it.

Others want to diss the UN to no end, just like that neocon bush appointee john bolton.

[Motown_Johnny]

33. and if 100,000+ people had been killed because we didn't intervene

then what?






Oh yes, I know. We don't go in and save people in other countries. I don't buy the "if we can't do everything we shouldn't do everything crap". We need to do what we can when we can.


Human lives do count for something, even if you care more about other things.

[fittosurvive]

36. Well, it depends on what kind of people they were.

While it true that all men are created equal, all ideologies are not, e.g., Declaration of Independence > Al-Qaeda Doctrine for International Political Warfare.

[ozone_man]

37. But they qualified for the "platinum package."

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-21-2011/america-s-freedom-packages

Sudan and Rwanda didn't qualify.