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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:11 PM
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The REPUBLICAN PARTY is KILLING US with stupid inept decisions
Is it their GOAL to destroy our way of life....to cheapen us, to weaken us???
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flor-de-jasmim Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:13 PM
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1. Yes, in a nutshell.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:16 PM
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5. Where do they find the hubris, the arrogance, the sheer Ignorance??? They are fast becoming Gestapo
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:23 PM
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8. I despise the GOP...
but the Gestapo?

Please.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:32 PM
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11. I did say "becoming"....but, then ...the signs are hints of things to come...
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:37 PM
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13. Maybe you should study the history of...
the Third Reich and the Gestapo before you make such absurd comparisons.

I'd suggest "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer or "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny" by Alan Bullock.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:19 PM
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18. It gets odious.
To see the same superiority know-it-all act. It gets amusing too. Putting the limits of your imagination on display seems a routine.

No, the Republicans are not wearing swastikas. In fact, I'm sure there are many difference between how Hitler rose to power and precisely what is happening now.

So, simple question (since you're so marvelously educated and all); "Are there no similarities or analogues between pre-Nazi German and contemporary USA?"

If you did a little homework yourself and were actually paying attention to what is going on right now, you'd see that we are headed briskly toward fascism here in the US.

Do you deny that as well?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:52 PM
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20. Thank you.....very much....only a HS Grad, but I watch History Channels alot
I see some similarities between our present crop of GOPers and those Nazi Fascists in their early days..Guns at meetings, brown shirt traits, Intimidation, Bully tactics, are a few. It is later the Gestapo goes Draconian...
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 05:26 PM
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25. Yes, I deny that...
Have you ever really read the history of Nazi Germany?

For example, Hitler was never elected to any government office, despite what many people believe. In the only election in which he ran, he lost to Von Hindenberg for the Presidency of Germany. The Weimar Republic also did not have much in the way of truly democratic traditions, which is partly what allowed the rise of the Third Reich.

I am, by no means, saying that the RW in this country is not dangerous. I am hardly saying they do not need to combatted and stopped. But these over-the-top comparisons to Nazi Germany backfire badly. You should actually read the books I suggested. When you're done with those, I can recommend others.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:51 PM
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27. You deny that we are headed in the direction of fascism when every indication says we are.
Hope you didn't pay too much for that education. Just because it doesn't happen the same way doesn't mean it's not happening.

When I get the time, I'll check those out.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 08:58 PM
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28. Dude...
Why don't you ask APSA or any prominent historian?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:05 AM
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31. Oh please... don't start with that 'dude' shit again.
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 12:11 AM by The Doctor.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=308621&mesg_id=308648

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=278091&mesg_id=280314

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x308621#308639

And here's more;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=614193#619910

(And still you had nothing, "Dude".)



Look "Dude", your M/O has followed a very specific path through DU. You have gone very much out of your way to berate anyone who dares to make connections between events and those that willed them.

Now here we are, with you claiming outright that "there's nothing to see here" with regard to the path toward fascism we are so very clearly headed down. You have presented exactly ZERO facts to prove otherwise except for very vague insinuation.

Be specific; How is it that we are not headed into fascism despite all evidence to the contrary?

Good luck with that mask, BTW.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:22 AM
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33. Dude...
Like I said, why isn't the APSA or any prominent historian following your lead?

Recklessly slinging the word fascism around makes DU look silly.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:00 PM
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14. Yes, in a nutshell, coming from nutcases.
And, though increasingly unpopular, the loons are still in the ascendant.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:15 PM
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2. where are the jobs??
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Lindsay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:15 PM
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3. Yep.
Features, not bugs. Mission on its way to being accomplished and all that.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:15 PM
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4. Long story short: Yep.
:nuke: Disaster Capitalism at it's finest.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:19 PM
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6. There is nothing stupid or inept about what they are doing
Their clearly stated intention is to destroy the middle class and the poor, and they are pursuing that goal with a vengeance. Vicious and crazy, yes, but stupid and inept, no.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:28 PM
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9. Intimidation.... Domination .... Subjugation....to FOOL is to RULE
The results of their "RULING"..... is killing the American Dream....
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:21 PM
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7. They're acting like maggots on steroids.
Devouring everything in their path, including live organisms.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:30 PM
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10. The forget the General Rule of Balance and Positivity....
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 02:37 PM
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12. That is their plan.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:01 PM
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15. They are acting sincerely on false conceptions of reality /nt

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:07 PM
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16. Only some of them.
Many of them know very well what they are doing and don't believe they will be devoured along with the low-hanging rich.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:11 PM
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17. Agreed...
JB.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:25 PM
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19. if you think they represent america, then yes, they're stupid and inept. but if you accept
that they represent a narrow group of ultra-rich people and companies, who aren't necessarily americans but who do business in america, then you have to say that the only thing they're doing ineptly is that they aren't doing as good a job fooling us as perhaps they could be.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:01 PM
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21. Yes, I agree...lemme add, They fail in fooling us because of their puppets keep revealing ignorance
and myopia....Mucho Gaffes, costly mistakes, poor policies, etc

Trends of Failures is so telling..

and yet, they continue to exist....until now....

The Age of Info is their Heel...

Among the astute....the Net is the common denominator...

Here we SHARE

The GOP is heading for extinction if Huckee gets in
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:05 PM
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22. Very true...
With leaders like Michelle Bachman, Rush Limbaugh, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul, et al, they are destoying our country and the fools are following them down the path of destruction.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:15 PM
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23. Death by a thousand little cuts
I think that is what they are tying to do!
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:38 PM
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24. Yes, they are trying to finish what the Koch brothers father started. The Koch family has a
history of having been involved with NaziGermany/Stalin.......read the following and see who the Republicons are taking most of their money from and are representing instead of us. The Kochs are an angry, hateful family who's father had a plan and these two sons are trying to realize it at our expense. The Kochs need to be investigated by a true American with no traitorous ties to the Koch Corp and Family. They have even stolen oil from Indian land. Their money should not allow them to undermine our Democracy and anyone who takes their money and votes against what is best for this country in favor of the Kochs, does not stand for Democracy and the free America stated in the Constitution. I believe that the Kochs are enemies of this nation and are being helped by the Republicons, to destroy the majorities (our) way of life.

Just read the following and do your own research and see what conclusion you come to.

Here's a little history on the traitor Koch Klan Kompany and their family which is trying to destroy America.

And where did Fred Koch and his boys get their ideas?

Information connecting Ilse Koch (nee Kohler) is hard to find. It’s mainly fragments, pieces of information that connect the American and German Kochs and this connection gives a clear image of the sentiment behind the Tea Party and conservative American politics since the 1950s. Where is the connection between the German Koch’s and Fred Koch? Besides evidence the American Koch was related to Ilse’s family, Erich Koch, a high level Nazi official in charge of Prussia, invites Fred Koch to sell his oil in Nazi Germany when he is banned from doing business in the US. After the fall of Nazi Germany, Erich Koch and Fred expand the oil empire to the Soviet Union. Erich Koch had been in charge of Prussia for Hitler so his ties to the Soviet Union ran deep. A few years later the Soviets took Fred Koch’s oil and prosecuted Erich for war crimes. Fred Koch returned to the US, became a FLAMING anti-communist, and was allowed to do business in the States again. Fred Koch admired Mussolini’s tactics against Communism, and it is when he embraces this sort of thinking that he becomes a staunch opponent of civil rights.

Ilse and her husband Karl were tried by the SS before the war ended, accused of corruption. Karl Otto Koch was tried and sentenced to death in Nazi Germany, for incitement to murder and embezzlement. He was executed by firing quad on April 5th, 1945. After the war, Ilse was arrested in the German American Zone, tried in front of a tribunal and sentenced. Ilse committed suicide by hanging herself, in prison, in 1967. She was the only woman to be found guilty of war crimes in World War II.

I am including some more specific information about certain members of the Koch-Kohler family, for clarification and to give further evidence of the generations of hate within the Koch family.

Erich Koch

Erich Koch was a high ranking Nazi official in the Ukraine, with control of the Gestapo and the police. His domain was extended from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea; he captured ethnic German, Polish, Belarus and Ukrainians, declaring that “Ukraine children need no schools. What they’ll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters” and “If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot..”.

Koch worked together with the General Plenipotentiary for Labor Deployment, providing the Reich with forced labor. Erich Koch faced charges of war crimes for the extermination of 400,000 Poles, but was never indicted for his crimes in Ukraine. He was sentenced to death on March 9, 1959 by the district court in Warsaw for having planned, prepared and organized the mass murder of civilians. Many people, including Russian historians, believe he possessed information about art looted by the Nazis during the war.
Years after the war, Koch stood trial in Poland and was convicted in 1959 of war crimes and sentenced to death. The sentence was commuted to life imprisonment a year later.

Brother of Erich Koch, Karl Otto Koch

(August 2, 1897 – April 5, 1945) A colonel in the German SS, Karl was the first commandant of the Nazi concentration camps at Buchenwald. On August 1, 1937 he was given command of the new concentration camp at Buchenwald. Investigations into his improper conduct at Buchenwald included corruption, fraud, embezzlement, drunkenness, sexual offenses and a murder. Koch’s orders to kill prisoners at the camp were revealed, as well as embezzlement of property stolen from prisoners, and he was executed by firing squad. (I have read numerous accounts that state the Nazis were not all the upset about anything else except the embezzling.)

Ilse Koch

Koch married Ilse Köhler with whom he had a son and two daughters. Köhler later became known as “The Witch of Buchenwald.” She was accused of taking souvenirs from the skin of murdered inmates with distinctive tattoos. These rumors were never verified, but the mythos continues to this day, most famously “Hitler’s Lampshades”. She built an indoor sports arena, which cost over 250,000 marks, most of which were taken from the inmates. Ilse was arrested by the Gestapo for embezzlement of SS funds and the murder of certain inmates in an attempt to cover up these crimes.

She was tried for war crimes by an American military tribunal in 1947. Prosecuting her was future United States Court of Claims Judge Robert L. Kunzig. She was charged with ”participating in a criminal plan for aiding, abetting and participating in the murders at Buchenwald.” The court found that Ilse Koch was a willing participant in the horrors that occurred at Buchenwald. The tribunal found Koch guilty and sentenced her to life imprisonment. After she had served two years, General Lucius D. Clay, the interim military governor of the American Zone in Germany, pardoned her. Owing to international condemnation, however, Koch was re-arrested in 1949 and tried before a West German court for instigation to murder in 135 cases. She was sentenced to life imprisonment on January 15, 1951. She committed suicide by hanging herself in prison on September 1, 1967

Fred Chase Koch

(September 23, 1900 – November 17, 1967) chemical engineer and founded the TEXACO oil refinery firm that later became Koch Industries (Chevron). Koch and its customers were sued for patent infringement, process for turning crude oil into gasoline. Litigation effectively put Winkler-Koch out of business in the U.S. for several years. In other words, Koch was banned. Koch turned his focus to foreign markets, including the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, reportedly with the help of Erich Koch. During his time in the Soviet Union, Fred Koch came to despise communism and Josef Stalin’s regime “a land of hunger, misery and terror”.

Fred C. Koch married Mary Robinson in Kansas City, Missouri in 1932. They had four sons, Frederick (b. 1933), Charles (b. 1935), David (b. 1940) and William (b. 1940). His sons are Charles de Ganahl Koch and David H. Koch.

The New York Times on Charles and David:

“Koch Industries began with oil in the 1930s and now also spews an array of industrial products, from Dixie cups to Lycra, not unlike DuPont’s portfolio of paint and plastics. Sometimes the biological DNA persists as well. The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us”. (That speech could be delivered as is at any Tea Party rally today, and has been, in one form or another.) article cont:

Last week the Kochs were shoved unwillingly into the spotlight by the most comprehensive journalistic portrait of them yet, written by Jane Mayer of The New Yorker. Her article caused a stir among those in Manhattan’s liberal elite who didn’t know that David Koch, widely celebrated for his cultural philanthropy, is not merely another rich conservative Republican but the founder of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which, as Mayer writes with some understatement, “has worked closely with the Tea Party since the movement’s inception”. To New Yorkers who associate the David H. Koch Theater at Lincoln Center with the New York City Ballet, it’s startling to learn that the Texas branch of that foundation’s political arm, known simply as Americans for Prosperity, gave its Blogger of the Year Award to an activist who had called President Obama “cokehead in chief.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/03/11/the-koch-family ...

LouSlobbs former CNN fraudcaster
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 06:54 PM
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26. Thanks for the post/links :o)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:54 PM
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29. The Rich in the GOP want you diminished so that they can be all powerful.
They want you poorer, less informed and a less democratic country.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:20 PM
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30. If I recall there was a warning about "Giving them back the keys to the car"!
We were warned that this would happen but ourside was to angry bashing ourselves to see the true value of the warning.

Well...Lesson Learned.....I hope!
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:12 AM
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32. The ultimate goal is a return to the feudal system
The complete destruction of the middle class, and killing off as many of the poor as they can get away with. Those that are left will be completely dependent upon them.
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