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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:11 PM
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Professor criticized Scott Walker and ALEC. GOP groups FOIAed his work email.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 03:12 PM by madfloridian
Also an education blogger had the GOP groups request his work email as well.

Guess you don't talk about the long reach of The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) without finding yourself in hot water, apparently criticizing the WI governor will bring their wrath as well.

Here is a summary of the attacks on the Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin.

From TPM's Josh Marshall:

My Worlds Collide


William Cronin, pic courtesy of TPM

Bill Cronon -- or William Cronon, as I think of him -- is a Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin. A few days ago he wrote an oped in the Times critical of Gov. Walker and his push to abolish collective bargaining rights for public employees in Wisconsin. About a week before that, he wrote a blog post -- the first in a new blog called Scholar as Citizen -- examining just who's behind this big anti-union push.

He focused on a group called ALEC (The American Legislative Exchange Council).

Now, so far, nothing particularly controversial about any of this. But then it took a dark turn. Or perhaps better to say, then the story got into gear with everything else we've seen out of the Walker administration over the last three months.

Less than two days after Cronon published the blog post, the Wisconsin Republican Party filed a state open records request to gain access to Cronon's personal emails to get a look at what communications or discussions or sources or anything else went into writing it.


Here is a portion of that letter from the Wisconsin Republican Party requesting Freedom of Information access to Cronon's mails.

Dear Mr. Dowling,

Under Wisconsin open records law, we are requesting copies of the following items:

Copies of all emails into and out of Prof. William Cronon's state email account from January 1, 2011 to present which reference any of the following terms: Republican, Scott Walker, recall, collective bargaining, AFSCME, WEAC, rally, union, Alberta Darling, Randy Hopper, Dan Kapanke, Rob Cowles, Scott Fitzgerald, Sheila Harsdorf, Luther Olsen, Glenn Grothman, Mary Lazich, Jeff Fitzgerald, Marty Beil, or Mary Bell.

We are making this request under Chapter 19.32 of the Wisconsin state statutes, through the Open Records law. Specifically, we would like to cite the following section of Wis. Stat. 19.32 (2) that defines a public record as "anything recorded or preserved that has been created or is being kept by the agency. This includes tapes, films, charts, photographs, computer printouts, etc."


TPM also today points out that the GOP of WI has their collective noses out of joint at having their requests spoken about publicly in a negative way. Too bad for them.

Wis. GOP.. Attacks On Our Open-Records Request Against Professor Are 'Chilling'

"Like anyone else who makes an open records request in Wisconsin, the Republican Party of Wisconsin does not have to give a reason for doing so," state GOP executive director Mark Jefferson says in a new statement Greg Sargent reports -- with Jefferson then tearing into critics for trying to intimidate the GOP.

"I have never seen such a concerted effort to intimidate someone from lawfully seeking information about their government," Jefferson writes. "Further, it is chilling to see that so many members of the media would take up the cause of a professor who seeks to quash a lawful open records request. Taxpayers have a right to accountable government and a right to know if public officials are conducting themselves in an ethical manner."


Sounds like the bullies don't like being picked on and called out on their actions.

Here is something from the education blogger who has put up with these requests for a while.

Some thoughts from just one of many teachers in the crosshairs.


Ben Velderman. Picture courtesy of Fred Klonsky's blog

Why me?

Why is the Education Action Group going after me?

Because I’m outspoken. Because I’m a union guy. Because people listen and respect what I have to say. Because I have an activist history. Because they wrongly thought I’m vulnerable. Because they want to scare others. Because they’re bullies. Because they sneak around likes snakes in the grass and lie about who they are.

And then they cry like babies when we shine the light on them.


They demand (demand!) that my district fire me because I printed a picture of that little weasel, Ben Velderman, on my blog.

They cried, “The unwarranted attack on Mr. Velderman, who was simply carrying out the instructions of his supervisor, can be viewed online at preaprez.wordpress.com.”


Here is the New York Times op ed of the Professor Cronon on March 21.

Wisconsin’s Radical Break

But Mr. Walker’s assault on collective bargaining rights breaks with Wisconsin history in two much deeper ways as well. Among the state’s proudest traditions is a passion for transparent government that often strikes outsiders as extreme. Its open meetings law, open records law and public comment procedures are among the strongest in the nation. Indeed, the basis for the restraining order blocking the collective bargaining law is that Republicans may have violated open meetings rules in passing it. The legislation they have enacted turns out to be radical not just in its content, but in its blunt ends-justify-the-means disregard for openness and transparency.

This in turn points to what is perhaps Mr. Walker’s greatest break from the political traditions of his state. Wisconsinites have long believed that common problems deserve common solutions, and that when something needs fixing, we should roll up our sleeves and work together — no matter what our politics — to achieve the common good.

Mr. Walker’s conduct has provoked a level of divisiveness and bitter partisan hostility the likes of which have not been seen in this state since at least the Vietnam War. Many citizens are furious at their governor and his party, not only because of profound policy differences, but because these particular Republicans have exercised power in abusively nontransparent ways that represent such a radical break from the state’s tradition of open government.

Perhaps that is why — as a centrist and a lifelong independent — I have found myself returning over the past few weeks to the question posed by the lawyer Joseph N. Welch during the hearings that finally helped bring down another Wisconsin Republican, Joe McCarthy, in 1954: “Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?


These new Republicans are not going to let up in their attacks on everything kind and decent. It may be time for the New Democrats to stand up and call them out on their tactics....instead of calling for "bipartisanship" with extremists.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:18 PM
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1. "It may be time for the New Democrats to stand up and call them out" - I see one problem with that.
I think you know what it is.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:25 PM
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6. Yeh, I know.
Why call them out if one agrees on their policies? Silly me. Sad.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:38 PM
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2. Every progressive in the country with an email..
should send an email to this guy with every single one of those search terms with anti-gop info. Let them have a million FIOA documents to cull through.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:41 PM
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3. The few real Democrats left in our party need to understand
Bipartisanship is just a fancy way of admitting they plan on surrendering to the radical right.

It doesnt work for anyone but the GOP.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:31 PM
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7. "Bipartisanship is just a fancy way of admitting they plan on surrendering"
I agree. You can't be bipartisan when the other party is out to get you every way they can, and when they have no conscience, no scruples.

It just means there is no fight left.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:41 PM
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4. right wing political fanatics acting like the Nazis did
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 03:42 PM
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5. Fuck.. they just can't help playing the victim...
Guy speaks out against them. They go on a crusade to try and discredit him, then they act all insulted when people call them out on it.


My favorite thing about this FOIA request is, they are doing it because they have yet to realize that most people are not as mean, greedy and stupid as they are. They are expecting to find something like the e-mail Walker got about faking an attack...


When are they going to learn that liberals don't need to make shit up to be right?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 06:12 PM
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9. It's pathetic really.
I find it odd they got so upset because Fred Klonsky put up the picture of one of them.

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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:31 PM
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28. They *have* to play the victim
They're an elitist party that relies on the votes of those who are as far from the elite as it is possible to get. Therefore, they have to paint themselves as the underdog, otherwise no-one outside the Forbes 400 would vote for them.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 04:34 PM
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8. Scott Walker will soon be out of office
He's a fascist scumbag surrounded by goons.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 07:19 AM
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26. Unfortunately, I think he's doing a slash and burn in the meantime ...
... and the GOP can do ALOT of damage between now and next January, unfortunately. Even if most of it CAN be reversed, there's still going to be some deep damage done in WI that'll take a long time to recover from.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 10:21 PM
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10. Thanks to highplainsdem for posting a NYT editorial about Cronon's treatment.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x742684

"The latest technique used by conservatives to silence liberal academics is to demand copies of e-mails and other documents. Attorney General Kenneth Cuccinelli of Virginia tried it last year with a climate-change scientist, and now the Wisconsin Republican Party is doing it to a distinguished historian who dared to criticize the state’s new union-busting law. These demands not only abuse academic freedom, but make the instigators look like petty and medieval inquisitors.

The historian, William Cronon, is the Frederick Jackson Turner and Vilas research professor of history, geography and environmental studies at the University of Wisconsin, and was recently elected president of the American Historical Association. Earlier this month, he was asked to write an Op-Ed article for The Times on the historical context of Gov. Scott Walker’s effort to strip public-employee unions of bargaining rights. While researching the subject, he posted on his blog several critical observations about the powerful network of conservatives working to undermine union rights and disenfranchise Democratic voters in many states.

In particular, he pointed to the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative group backed by business interests that circulates draft legislation in every state capital, much of it similar to the Wisconsin law, and all of it unmatched by the left. Two days later, the state Republican Party filed a freedom-of-information request with the university, demanding all of his e-mails containing the words “Republican,” “Scott Walker,” “union,” “rally,” and other such incendiary terms. (The Op-Ed article appeared five days after that.)"


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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:28 PM
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14. You're welcome! I was so pleased to see that editorial.
Paul Krugman blogged about this, too, but he seemed to think this was about Cronon's NYT op-ed on Wisconsin. One of the first people commenting on his blog pointed out that the GOP demand for the emails came after Cronon's blog about ALEC.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:59 PM
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18. the attacks start or at least reinforced on the local RW radio megastation
and until those stations get attention and picketing and their local sponsors, whenever they are on those stations, it's going to continue.

if these folks are even mentioned on the local RW radio station those stations need to be picketed and their sponsors need to be asked, WTF?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:02 PM
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11. Fuck those GOP assholes. We can play that game too. Rec. nt
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juxtaposed Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:12 PM
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12. I think ALEC is the iceberg. For years working on issues in Fl.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 11:15 PM by juxtaposed
I always wondered where all the well orchestrated responses were coming from, buzz words, phases, and bullet points. The Chamber always knew our next move and had a response in the paper the next day.
ALIC is well run and protected
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:25 PM
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13. The iceberg analogy is a good one for ALEC. I started working on my main topic on
ALEC two and a half weeks ago, and although it has over 100 replies now -- most of them replies I posted with additional information and links on ALEC -- I know this still barely scratches the surface.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x591230

It's obvious from the way the Wisconsin GOP reacted to Professor Cronon's blog that they've finally realized just how bad ALEC looks to everyone else.

I've been enjoying reading the comments on Cronon's blog posts, both the one on ALEC and the one about the open-records request. So many people stunned by what ALEC is doing and grateful to him for blogging about it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:33 PM
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16. We were posting about ALEC here several years ago.
But now that the nutjobs have taken over...people are paying attention.
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juxtaposed Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:40 AM
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21. Maybe, But not many people know where a lot of the crap comes from
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 12:53 AM by juxtaposed
I really feel ALEC is mecca of the gop.. and that is the only reason why the gop has gone after cronon. If I went after ALEC would the GOP chase me also?
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juxtaposed Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:31 AM
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20. I spent the time to read all of his blogs or just one real long blog, with his links and threads
it shows that on a local level we are being influenced by a national influence, not what is relevant at a local level?
I like what I'm seeing, Happy seeing this come out too..
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:34 PM
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29. Remember the poutrage over Journolist a year or two back?
ZOMG, liberal-leaning journalists are ACTUALLY TALKING TO EACH OTHER!!! All the proof the righties needed of a vast conspiracy against them. Meanwhile, when a network is exposed that has actually been doing for years all the things they (falsely) accused Journolist of doing, they want those exposing it to be silenced. Funny how that works.
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Crusader Rabbit Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:29 PM
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15. Republican Response
The republicans are behaving very much like Stalin or Hitler would in their day. Watch out and be very afraid of them when they begin burning books.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 02:17 PM
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30. They don't burn books anymore
they just replace them with "updated" versions. :grr:
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 11:53 PM
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17.  is walker radio attacking him? how about limbaugh? ) rw bullies don't have shit w/out rw radio
i haven't been listening lately but it is possible they could get national attention. i would bet the local WIBA 1310 madison limbaugh station has been getting the talking points.

if it is national with limbaugh and hannity 'mentioning' names it means they're going to get a lot of shit, and they know it and that's why they do it.

the logical response to those attacks for anyone serious about getting is back, would be to picket the local limbaugh station and tell them to fuck off. and call their local sponsors and ask them if if they agree.

i'm just guessing here, but there's a pattern. and it is very predictable. if they represent a 'threat' they will get radio attention, and isn't it about time for the left to finally respond to the radio attack machine that's been getting a free speech free ride for 20 years?

thing is, no one one who might want to get his back has any idea if he's a target on radio.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 12:18 AM
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19. I would suggest that FOIAs be sought for every appointed or elected Republican
for specific terms. Anti-union, Walker, Koch, privatize, shoot, attack, etc.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 01:14 AM
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22. The blogger they FOIAed has been giving it right back to them.
http://preaprez.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/my-stalker-compares-125000-wisconsin-protesters-to-tucson-killer/

"Kyle Olson is my stalker. He’s the right-wing sleaze ball who ordered his little gofer, Ben Velderman, to get a hold of my work emails. Olson heads up a micro-group in Michigan that targets activist union teachers and tries to smear them.

His latest blog post compares the actions of 125,000 Wisconsin citizens who demonstrated at the Capitol building in a glorious display of peaceful democracy to the Tucson killer.

As the rhetoric continues to escalate and vitriol is directed at Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the left willfully ignores all the hate and incivility. Fewer than 40 days after the Tucson Tragedy, the left is once again using heated rhetoric and resorting to thug-like behavior to intimidate their political opponents.

But as the budget fix bill moves closer to a vote, there is reason to fear that the protestors might resort to mob-like behavior."

It's kind of a scary scenario when a group like this starts out after a lone blogger or a professor.

They need back-up.
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 06:06 AM
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23. Chalkboard: GOP won't withdraw records request



The GOP's comment are just downright nasty.


http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/blog/article_d41ece78-573c-11e0-9f20-001cc4c002e0.html
Chalkboard: GOP won't withdraw records request

SUSAN TROLLER | The Capital Times | stroller@madison.com madison.com Friday, March 25, 2011 7:45 pm

On Friday, the Republican Party of Wisconsin said it would not withdraw its open records request seeking release of all the emails of University of Wisconsin-Madison history professor William Cronon.

The GOP filed the request with the UW last week, following a blog post by Cronon that explored the apparent influence of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a conservative policy group that works with Republican state legislators. In that blog post, and in an op-ed piece in The New York Times, Cronon, one of the UW's academic stars, was critical of the tactics being used by Gov. Scott Walker.

In his blog post late Thursday, Cronon called upon the GOP to withdraw its request.
In a statement issued Friday, the Republican Party said, "In response to Professor Cronon's deplorable tactics in seeking to force the Republican Party of Wisconsin to withdraw a routine open records request, Executive Director Mark Jefferson released the following statement.

"I find it appalling that Professor Cronon has plenty of time to round up reporters from around the nation to push the Republican Party of Wisconsin into explaining its motives behind a lawful open records request, but has apparently not found time to provide any of the requested information."
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 06:34 AM
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24. John Nichols writes yesterday about Cronon (and ALEC)....



http://www.thenation.com/blog/159489/mccarthyism-wisconsin-its-back-state-gop-seeks-silence-distinguished-dissenter



Wisconsin GOP Seeks to Silence a Distinguished Dissenter. McCarthyism is Back.
John Nichols
March 25, 2011



“After watching the sudden and impressively well-organized wave of legislation being introduced into state legislatures that all seem to be pursuing parallel goals only tangentially related to current fiscal challenges—ending collective bargaining rights for public employees, requiring photo IDs at the ballot box, rolling back environmental protections, privileging property rights over civil rights, and so on—I’ve found myself wondering where all of this legislation is coming from,” Cronin wrote in his first blog entry.

The professor developed a study guide at the website that asked questions and provided answers about the activities of the influential American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporate-funded group organized almost forty years ago by movement conservatives to influence lawmaking in the states. “The most important group, I’m pretty sure, is the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which was founded in 1973 by Henry Hyde, Lou Barnett, and (surprise, surprise) Paul Weyrich. Its goal for the past forty years has been to draft “model bills’ that conservative legislators can introduce in the 50 states. Its website claims that in each legislative cycle, its members introduce 1000 pieces of legislation based on its work, and claims that roughly 18% of these bills are enacted into law. (Among them was the controversial 2010 anti-immigrant law in Arizona.)”

“If you’re as impressed by these numbers as I am, I’m hoping you’ll agree with me that it may be time to start paying more attention to ALEC and the bills its seeks to promote,” Cronon continues, before providing background, links and recommendations for books—several of them friendly to conservativise activism and activists.

In addition to developing the study guide, Cronon drafted a thoughtful op-ed for the New York Times, in which he sought to put Governor Walker’s actions in historical perspective. In that op-ed, the professor noted that: “Mr. Walker’s conduct has provoked a level of divisiveness and bitter partisan hostility the likes of which have not been seen in this state since at least the Vietnam War. Many citizens are furious at their governor and his party, not only because of profound policy differences, but because these particular Republicans have exercised power in abusively nontransparent ways that represent such a radical break from the state’s tradition of open government.”........................
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 07:17 AM
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25. POTUS needs to realize that one can't be bi-partisan with bullies.
Making nice with them isn't going to make up for the rejection you felt when your dad left, Sir ... get over it and start fighting for those that elected you.

This is a prime example of just exactly what those GOP turds are made of.
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:10 AM
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27. The right wingers are thugs and bullies. This is how they
operate. We saw a lot of the same behavior when Bush was president. They only embrace certain freedoms if those freedoms are applied to themselves. Otherwise, they seek to diminish democracy for everyone else. This is nothing new in the conservative world. It goes back to the old European days when there were distinct ruling classes, and everyone else was a peasant or serf with perhaps a small merchant class. Even though this country was founded as a representative Republic, it took a long long time to establish a thriving middle class, abolish slavery, and give all adult Americans a voice. In the last 30 years, we moved farther and farther in the opposite direction.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 06:40 PM
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31. Check this out - from Oklahoma
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:41 PM
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32. Sounds like crazy from both Indiana and Michigan are helping
Walker...
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 10:35 PM
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33. Tragically
New Democrats are a bought and payed for wing of the republican party.
We will here nothing but 'stay calm' and 'be patient' platitudes from them.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:14 PM
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34. Thank you, mad, for keeping us up to date on all this. I read your posts
religiously, you might say. :)

I'd encourage everyone to click on the link in your OP "new blog called Scholar as Citizen".

There's some extraordinary info the professor has collected there; brochures, etc. I'm building a file on all this and trying to get it out wherever I can.

ALEC is out to destroy Democracy. And, no, that's not hyperbole.
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