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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 07:56 AM
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Melissa Harris-Perry (The Nation): Who Are You Calling Crazy?
Who Are You Calling Crazy? http://www.thenation.com/blog/who-are-you-calling-crazy

Madness was a recurring theme in American politics last year. I received daily calls, emails, texts, and tweets from folks on the Left declaring "these Republicans are crazy," "the GOP has gone mad," or simply, "this county is nuts." "Wingnuts" became a common way to describe vehement, political opponents on the Right.

Americans have an interesting history of conflating our political disagreements with diagnosis of mental illness. In a terrific new book, psychiatrist and historian Jonathan Metzl tells one of these fascinating stories. Metzl's book, The Protest Psychosis: How Schizophrenia Became a Black Disease is exceptional and unexpected.

The text's central argument is that mental illness is not solely (or even primarily) a biological or medical reality; it is largely a social construct. Madness is often diagnosed in those who do not conform to social norms, especially norms governed by identities like race, gender, and class. Illustrating this point, Metzl reminds readers that in the 1850s, American psychiatrists believed enslaved blacks who ran away from white enslavers were suffering from a mental illness called drapetomania. This illness, psychiatrists maintained, could be cured by excessive whipping.


Lest we snicker at the obviously racist and primitive assumptions of 19th century mental health professionals, Metzl spends the rest of the text tracing the 20th century story of schizophrenia.

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A dramatic change occured in the 1960s. During this era schizophrenia was increasingly diagnosed in "Negro men." As black men were more firmly associated with the disease, psychiatric communities and popular culture came to understand schizophrenia as a disease marked by violence, hostility, aggression, and requiring powerful psychotropic medication.

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In the 1850s slaves seeking freedom were described as mad. In the 1920s women unwilling to conform to the constraints of domesticity were treated as insane. In the 1970s black people who wanted equality were thought to be nuts.

Metzl writes, "the transition of schizophrenia from a disease of white, feminine docility to one of black, male hostility resulted from a confluence of social and medical forces."

This insight is a powerful intervention at this historic moment. It forces us to reexamine our beliefs about the nature of disease, the process of medical diagnosis, and the influence of the political world on our racial ideas. Implicitly, it also cautions us about the consequences of deploying "madness" as a description of our political adversaries.

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On nearly all matters of policy and politics I disagree with the birthers, the deathers, the tea baggers, most GOP office holders, a significant number of Southern Democrats, and more than a few members of my own academic department. While I judge them to be stunningly wrong-thinking, I am hesitant about labeling my adversaries "crazy."

Red-faced screaming at town halls, audacious lies about President Obama's citizenship, and incomprehensible obstruction tactics by legislators might be symptomatic of mental instability, and they are clearly indicative of deep human suffering, but the "crazy" label does more to obscure our understanding of our differences than to illuminate them.

Metzl's book is a reminder that diagnosing individuals encourages blindness to the social structures in which these individuals operate. Slavery was the madness, not the escaping slave. Racial inequality is the illness, not the Civil Rights Movement.

We learn more and can more effectively influence social change when we consider the situation of our conservative opponents. Their "craziness" might seem more reasonable when we consider the tactics of fear-mongering and race-baiting that have long characterized American politics. A decade of unaccountable government might explain some of the paranoia. Shouting matches that pass as nightly news are implicated in the lack of civility with which they engage. It may not be our opponents who are insane, but instead the zero-sum, winner-take-all approach to politics, which is truly crazy.

Let's be careful as we diagnosis the problems.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:09 AM
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1. Crazy like a fox (the canid, not the 'news' network)
Some may take comfort in their delusion that their ideological enemies are 'crazy,' but that trivializes the situation and fails to recognize conservative successes in subverting the political process to their will. Madness does not lend itself to success, and it's perilous to call it 'crazy.'

I have no doubt that some segment of their deluded followers - especially the working poor who can barely afford a pot to piss in, yet vote blindly for the repug candidate - have mental issues, but the puppetmasters who have found the correct strings to pull (religion, guns, abortion, 'illegals,' ad nauseam) know EXACTLY what they're doing.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:23 AM
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2. I usual stick to wicked, greedy, and stupid but crazy applies fairly well at times
The lying, the avarice, the hypocrisy, and the complete delusions are strong signs of legitimate mental issues but crazy must not be allowed to excuse the wicked, greedy, and stupid policies.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:49 AM
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4. And the diagnoses of political opponents are generally made by those unfit
due to lack of education and license. Sooo, they are less valid as diagnoses and more characteristic of name calling.

In debates at the gutter there is a long tradition, not necessarily a proud or progressive tradition, of _ad hominem_ argumentation, the early classical writings on logic mention it as a fallacy.

Generally calling someone mentally ill, crazy, nuts, schizophrenic etc, falls within the realm of Godwin's Law of rhetoric, a.k.a. "Reductio ad Hitlerum" the notion that calling someone Hitler or a Nazi loses invalidates everything you've said. It demonstrates that the speaker has run out of vocabulary--is ignorant if you will--of descriptors which accurately and critically engage the true problems with a statement.

An important distinction however is that you can't really offend Hitler when you suggest some awful person's attributes are his. When you call political opponents mentally ill, that can and does hurt people.

Albeit in small doses, much like individual contributions to air pollution, these negative aspersions collect in the environment and make it toxic for the mentally ill. It creates and perpetuates an atmosphere of misunderstanding and mistreatment of the mentally ill.






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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:55 AM
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5. Well, to be honest I care not about all that babble. I just think crazy is an out.
Though, I generally think it is also fair to call them nuts too.

I also think some people are fairly compared to Nazis and even Hitler and have no question someone altogether worse will come along just as they have throughout history.

One doesn't have to be out of vocabulary to draw historical connections.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 09:04 AM
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7. That's one of the interesting things about chauvenism
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 09:04 AM by HereSince1628
The chauvenist never sees it. That's true for attitudes about GLBT's, women, various races, and the mentally ill.

DU protects all the above except the mentally ill. Why? Because the chauvenism toward the mentally ill is simply too pervasive in society.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 09:46 PM
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13. No, I just don't give a fuck in this context. Crazy lets them off the hook for being sick
and while many of them clearly are it isn't important because they must be crushed, burned down, and have the ashes salted sane or fucking toys in the attic.

It is not important if they are diagnosed or even as can be imagined, only that they be destroyed and discredited by any and every means.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:33 AM
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3. Ah, but "crazy" and "nuts" are not formal, classified, mental illnesses.
Generally, these terms are not used as a formal diagnosis, but as a short hand to describe one for whom reality seems to be a mystery.

We apply it to those who's arguments tend to have now grounding in fact or logic.

We apply it to those who will claim "I never said that" even as a video tape of them "saying that" plays just over their shoulder.

We apply them to those who willing cling to a falsehood because it promotes their agenda (e.g., Reagan reduced the size of the federal government).

We usually don't call them schizophrenic, or manic depressive, we call them "crazy" or "nuts" ... and at times, "dangerous".

Still, the book sounds interesting.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 08:59 AM
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6. The are generally evidence of ignorance
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 09:21 AM by HereSince1628
of a vocabulary inadequate to critically engage an opponent's argument. On the one hand using these words is a solution for lexicographically challenged to contribute.

Much like spitting to make a expletive.

But, these words contribute to a stigmatizing social environment. Insidiously yes, in much the same manner that every gallon of gasoline run through a lawn mower adds pollution to the air--and no one feels they've done much wrong.


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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 09:19 AM
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8. I think you meant "a vocabulary inadequate to ... "
What I tend to find is that those words (crazy / nut) are often used, not at the start of the debate, but at the end, after all attempts at detailed, logical, fact based evidence has been presented. And the debate has ended.

Its at the point where it becomes clear that no matter how much evidence you have, and no matter how well you present it, the person on the other side will never, ever, get it.

I read an article recently in which they found that conservatives were more likely to dismiss factual evidence than liberals were, often concluding that your well articulated fact filled analysis, is PROOF that you are lying to them. They see such detailed responses, not as statements of facts, but as well contrived vehicles intended to trick them. And they dig in further as a result.

Here's an analogy.

Have you ever heard of those Christians who, to protect their position that the earth is only 6000 years old, claim that dinosaur fossils were put their by Satan to trick one into not believing that the earth is only 6000 years old. You can show those folks all manner of evidence, in peer reviewed books, you can correlate it to the carbon dating of fossilized trees from the same period, so on. Does not matter. They dig in further.

At some point, you come to the conclusion that you are debating a "nut", and it is time to stop. As you suggest, one might also spit at this moment as well.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 09:26 AM
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9. Yes. thank-you...but when a person reaches the point where
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 09:27 AM by HereSince1628
it's clear further discussion/debate is not useful I don't think it requires the use of any expletive.

It's just time to say, goodbye or something similar.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 09:47 AM
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10. Sure, if we're playing nice, in a respectful debate ... I agree ... I think we on the left try ..
to do exactly that.

However, if you have debated right wing folks over the last 5 or 6 years, you will undoubtedly have been called most of the following words, if you identified your self as a Democrat.

Anti-American
Unpatriotic
US Troop hater
Terrorist Sympathizer
Baby killer (wrt abortion)
Socialist
Communist
Maoist
Stalinist
Fascist
Racist (that one always cracks me up)

Not only are these words used to describe us by lone individuals who we might be debating directly, they are also used by the right wing media, and even by elected GOP officials at both the state and local levels.

And, thanks to an endless stream of statements from Fox, and Beck, and Limbaugh ... you've also been accused of ...

Wanting to destroy America
Wanting America to be a 3rd world nation

And they've told their followers that ...

Liberals should know that they could be killed (Ann Coulter)
Liberals should be exterminated (Rush)

And when they threaten to bring guns to political rallies, or actually bring them, and then pretend their intent is not to intimidate ... I could go on ...

I guess my point, is that at times, when you find yourself in a debate with one of these folks, or you hear what the right wing media's latest outrage is, or you see an elected GOP official claim that Obama is a socialist and a fascist, words like "crazy" and "nuts" are rather timid compared to the level of invective and the associated expletives that will be hurled in your direction in an almost endless stream.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 10:20 AM
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12. Well, that's rationalizing it isn't it?
Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 10:34 AM by HereSince1628
It's something of an apologetic acceptance...it's a 'timid' way to vent frustration. It's not right, but it could be worse.

Around DU you can't end a difficult exchange saying...you are just so g**; or you are just a b****. Unless you are looking to be tombstoned.

Yet, those words could be used in exactly the same way as you are saying crazy, schizophrenic etc are OK to use.

The difference is that the offense to women and GLBT are recognized. Why? Probably because everyone accepts that women and GLBT are a significant and valued part of DU.

But anyone can say any manner of things that maintain chauvinism against the mentally ill--because they are 'timid"?

I don't really think it's ok on DU because calling someone schizophrenic, or broad-brushing a group as mentally ill is seen as morally defensible, although some could certainly jump in and claim a special free-speech right that allows descriptors of class of people to be used as pejoratives (regardless of the hypocrisy relative to other 'protected' groups).

I think it is for 1 reason with a strong supporting cause.

1) Because calling opponents various names meaning mentally ill is so common in the United States that it feels ok to do. It is simply impractical for the Admins to try to stop. (Could they have said the same thing about n***** if there had been a DU in 1910? Would that have made the use of n***** morally right?)

2) It's common, because people who use nuts and crazy and mentally ill, consider themselves to be "mentally well" and thus feel superior and to be of a better class than the mentally ill and they can get away with it.

Which is to say, it's chauvinistic and it's acceptable.

The danger of chauvinism is, of course, that it comes to replace logic and justice. As a society we shun the mentally ill, and deny them equal treatment. In general society treats the mentally ill as if they were enemies. Just as that word 'nuts' or 'crazy' is intended when used as that causal timid unharmful expletive.





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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 10:14 AM
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11. You are right..
They are not crazy... they are friggin insane.

They believe bush was best prez ever
that Obama is an alien
that nukes are the future
war is the answer......

I'll stop there.
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