OK, I am no legal expert but.... How the fuck is Walker getting away with this shit?

[Ohio Joe]

Is a Governor so powerful that he can simply break the law... Repeatedly... In plain sight.... Admitting it... And nothing can be done? How many laws have been broken to shove this union busting down the throats of the WI people? WTF? Why can/is nothing being done here? At some point can the feds step in and say "whoah... hold up there, you are under arrest there douchebag".

I am really not getting this at all, why the fuck is some law enforcement agency, state, local, federal, not stepping in here?

[elocs]

1. It's early yet and it ain't over till it's over. Walker & the pubs have overplayed their hands. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

4. Have they?

Are there any legal actions currently being planned against him or his administration? They are breaking the law openly and with impunity and I've yet to hear of a single thing being brought against them.

[elocs]

11. I live here in WI and I'm not worried...yet. n/t

[cleanhippie]

25. I don't understand. What do you mean you are not worried?

Do you know about some repercussions we don't?

[elocs]

35. I'm not worried that Walker will be able to skate indefinitely without being challenged.

I'm sure that things are in motion to combat him other than our demonstrations in Madison. We do have a number of potential recall elections that could flip the Senate to Democrats and that would make a big difference. As well there is the recall of Walker next year and if he wants to keep adding fuel to the flames that will bring him down then he truly is arrogant and stupid.

[cleanhippie]

37. Ahh, ok. Thanks for the clarification.

[glinda]

46. Even if the majority are Dems, he will use his pen and position to just do what he wants. Why wait?

[Hutzpa]

77. But wouldn't it be too late to act

because the these Policies would have become Law then, right? No?

[blackbart99]

86. No its not too late......

Recalling and flipping the senate and house back to the dems is the first and most crucial step.
Walker has no check on his authority, so a Democratic senate can be that check. Then they can censure
him and then impeach. I like your attitude elocs.

These repugs have finally awakened the sleeping giant we need to make sure that NO ONE ever forgets
2011. It needs to be our clarion call for the next 100 years. :patriot: :bluebox:

[Jackpine Radical]

109. Another big item is to elect Joanne Kloppenburg to the WI Supreme Court.

That will give us a law-respecting majority who will not rubber-stamp Walker's illegal bullshit when it gets there--and it WILL get there.

That election is April 5. In the last few election cycles, voter turnout has been very low for these elections (~10%), and the forces of evil were able to mobilize their dupes to come out & vote, with all kinds of anti-choice, anti LGBT, "tough on (street) crime" ads. We are working very hard to see that it doesn't happen that way again.

[Matariki]

116. The Rule Of Law shouldn't depend on majority votes.

:shrug:

[Pharaoh]

13. Well he is in contempt of court

We shall see next week what the Judge has to say about it.

[Jester Messiah]

42. Can he be thrown in jail? Or does his position disallow that while he's in office?

Because I'd love to see him serve some time in general-population.

[Pharaoh]

44. Unfortunately

As in Bush and company they are above the law (they think) and

seeing this played out in WI supreme court will be very telling.

[iwishiwas]

60. The WI supreme court is righ-leaning now--I hope Prosser gets voted out!

[malaise]

88. Does right leaning mean that judges can break the law? n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

100. these days, Yes indeed - nt

[Jackpine Radical]

110. They already have.

The WI SC voted that they don't have to recuse themselves from decisions involving major donors. Gableman & Prosser are probably the 2 most evil members of the SC. We have a chance to dump Prosser, but Gableman has years to go before we can get him out.

[iwishiwas]

58. I wish he was in contempt, but since the case has not gone

before a judge, I do not think he is.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

19. Wisconsin’s Walker Sued by Unions as Labor Law ‘Published’

Mar 26, 2011 9:29 AM
Bloomberg

.Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was sued by two labor unions over a bill restricting collective bargaining by public employees while a state bureau published the law after the secretary of state was ordered not to do so.

A union representing public works employees in Wisconsin’s capital city of Madison and another for firefighters and other public safety officers seek in the state court complaint filed yesterday to have the law invalidated.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-26/wisconsin-s-walker-sued-by-unions-as-labor-law-published-1-.html

[Ohio Joe]

24. Well there is some good news

Lets hope this gets some swift justice :thumbsup:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

29. Also turns out the D.A sought an emergency court hearing today to address the LRB’s actions

Last night, District Attorney Ismael Ozanne sought an emergency court hearing today to address the Legislative Reference Bureau’s actions, according to a statement issued by another Dane County court judge, Sarah B. O’Brien, through the office of state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen <-THUG PIG

O’Brien declined to convene an emergency hearing, deferring to the scheduled March 29 event before Dane Couny judge Sumi.

[pacalo]

70. Good, because the bureau should have honored the judge's order, also, & not published it.

Getting around it through technical glitches puts Miller in the same company as Walker.

[glinda]

47. Walker pays legal bills or the State?

[notadmblnd]

27. I don't know of any criminal charges. but ther are several civil lawsuits being filed

it will be played out in court. Now, my feeling is that we should cut to the chase, just tar and feather them and run them out of town on a rail like in the old days- that all wingnuts seem to long for.

[Doctor_J]

99. Ah, jeez, not this again

When, exactly, are we going to see the results of their overreaching? and how?

[fascisthunter]

2. maybe because this was the plan all along?

good question.... he seems to know nothing will be done to stop him. People should wonder why...

[glinda]

48. People should wonder why all over the Country. THIS is what we need answered as to

why they are brazen, unfettered by Law or precedent. What do they know that we do not know?

[buddysmellgood]

3. He's not getting away with anything. It just takes time. He'll

do a lot of damage, but in the end, he's turning Wisconsin more blue than ever.

[Zephie]

5. Because all the agencies that could do anything about it have been bought off

and are being run by the people who are breaking the law. Why would they fight their own interests? :shrug:

[Mnemosyne]

10. Your description fits the US gov also, unfortunately. n/t

[Zephie]

21. I feel like I'm suddenly living Stephen King's "Under the Dome"

Suddenly most of our politicians are Big Jim Rennie

[Mnemosyne]

38. I just attribute it to some kind of dimensional shift that I am not smart

enough to understand. :evilgrin: I call it "Bizarro World".

[pacalo]

72. Sounds like a good book. The Amazon description likens it to the Twilight Zone episode we seem to

continue to reference in this country's current panic state of neighbor vs. neighbor: "The Monsters of Maple Street".

[Zephie]

92. It really was fantastic. But I'm a Stephen King junkie, so that may be biased info!

I hear the song of the turtle quite a bit myself. I missed Stephen King's speech a few weeks ago, and it was right up the road from me. I've felt bad about that for awhile :(

Do take a look at Under the Dome if you like his work. I swear, Big Jim Rennie does exactly what these TeaTerrorist Governers would do if the dome dropped them, just on a much grander scale. The evolution of the journalist Julia Shumway from selfavowed Republican is also very interesting.

[pacalo]

113. I'm mostly familiar with his works through movies. I did read one of his books written

under one of his pseudonyms he used as a college student called "Blaze". I'm a lover of words, so this book with quirky expressions was right up my alley, besides being a well-written story.

I do plan to read "Under the Dome". Glad you mentioned it.

[msongs]

6. if the Democratic Party INC knew how to run a PR campaign this would be a gold mine lol nt

[Zephie]

20. Wrong place

Sorry! :hi:

[elleng]

7. You're right to complain, but simply,

someone(s) have to go after him, for violations of particular laws in the right jurisdiction. Without such, nothing happens. Sounds like much of what he's done is against state/local laws/rules/ordinances, not much 'federal,' yet anyhow.

[Botany]

8. Because as of now he has the state senate, the state house, and the .....

.... and the state police along with unlimited money from Koch Brothers, Chamber of Commerce,
and right wing groups. Walker and company know that after the lose the State Supreme Court
Race in early April the balance of power will start to shift and that their bill will be declared
void because they broke the law ..... sadly in Ohio we have a lot less recourse w/ K-sick and
company.

[Mnemosyne]

9. I ask those same questions, Joe.

We know the answer, imho, and no one dares to accept it completely yet.

Hell no! We will not and can not accept it, but when will enough finally be ready to take a resounding nationwide stand and when?

Not sure I want to learn the answer to that...

:hi:

[snot]

12. We've failed to prosecute so many legal violations that the law no longer makes them pause.

And even if the law were enforced, that takes time. Meanwhile, the looting's on, and that doesn't have to get very far before it becomes hard-to-impossible to reverse.

Civilization is more fragile than most people realize.

Those opposing Walker et al. need to put the world on notice: his and similar governments are rogue, illegitimate; and we the people will NOT be bound by actions they take in violation of our laws; and any contracts you enter with these illegitimate actions will be VOIDED at our option, and we will CLAW BACK your tax cuts and contract fees.

(Assuming, of course, that they haven't been moved to the Cayman Islands or something, which they probably have been or will soon be.)

But as usual, it doesn't look like progressives are thinking this far ahead.

[ClassWarrior]

14. The courts are slow. This is shock and awe.

NGU.

[alterfurz]

15. it's one of the many variants of Catch-22

"They are allowed to do anything to us that we can't stop them from doing."

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. -- Frederick Douglass

Beyond a certain point there is no return. This point has to be reached. -- Kafka

With each passing day, King Scott labors ever more relentlessly to help Dairyland peasants find out their Douglass limit, and reach that Kafkaesque point.
No return now for Wisconsin, I think. America, you're on deck.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

32. Great quote by Frederick Douglass - thank you.

it is sure tense in Dairyland right now. I hope that point comes VERY soon...

[bullimiami]

16. Apparently that is how this country works.

Remember Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, Cheney, Rumsfeld and on and on.

They break the law, sometimes hiding it, sometimes, like with W, just blatantly rubbing it in your face and they get away with doing whatever they want until they are out of office and nothing is ever done about it. No official repercussions just some complaining from the 'people' who they ignore.

It just takes someone who doesnt give a shit to get into office and start fucking things up.
Its the belief in the law of the jungle. Might makes right.

[rasputin1952]

17. The legality of some of this may be in question...

however, there is nothing that the Feds can do, this is a state issue. Recall petitions are out for those that are legally in the area of being recalled, 3 seats have to change to D to change the power structure. The ones collecting the signatures have 60 days to do so, and if the signatures are validated for each district, there must be an election within 6 weeks. These are, once again, state issues and from what I've read so far, the recall is well under way and it should not be too long before the requisite number of signatures is attained.

I believe Walker will be recalled as well, but that process can't start until January. Of course, if the legislature moves to D after recall, a Bill can be introduced to rescind what the R's have done, and some semblance of normalcy will return to WI.

The R's got their jobs campaigning on job creation...they have done nothing of the sort and have seriously overplayed their hands on social issues...it spells doom for the GOP in several areas. Even citizens of this country that seem to have incredibly short attention spans, will remember what these barbarians have tried to do in th 2012 election. With luck, the GOP will lose tremendously. If D's play this right, they could send the GOP the way of the Whigs.

[Ohio Joe]

23. I hope you are correct

This mornings news shows them going blatantly into contempt of court land:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/26/us-wisconsin-bill-idUSTRE72O7CT20110326

I hope that when he can be re-called, people have not forgotten what he has done. I would also hope that on Monday morning the judge issue a warrant for contempt of court against him... I hope.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

34. WAIT A MINUTE! Walker signed the bill 3/11 - LRB published it yesterday-Were they TOO LATE?

That is 14 days after it was signed. Under the law of Wisconsin the LRB is required to publish the law 10 days after the governor signs the bill.

Am i missing something? Didn't they publish it too late? Should this not void the action?

(on edit - crap - that's within "10 Working Days")

[iwishiwas]

62. 10 working days (or business days). Also, did you see the draft copy-

that is what I call it since it has crossed out words in it-all over the place. It can't be the final copy that is for sure but it was the one posted by the Reference Bureau.



http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/acts/11Act10.pdf

[eowyn_of_rohan]

69. yes, I realized that - thanks

and also saw that shabby excuse for a bill or law whatever it is.

[iwishiwas]

71. It was one of Walker's poodles--Repug Fritzgerald who put the Bureau

up to publishing the bill.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

76. Sometimes don't you wonder just who is whose poodle?

Or else they are like the 3 Stooges! :)

[iwishiwas]

98. Broadly, Walker is the Koch's poodle and the Repug Legislature are

Walker's poodles.

The 3 Stooges were funny. This is bordering on the edge of criminal. Sorry, but my sense of humor is running low these days.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

101. i have little sense of humor on this topic these days, myself

that was my pitiful attempt.

[iwishiwas]

103. That's OK. Sometimes I am not clear when I post. Best to you.

[Jackpine Radical]

111. Bordering?

Fucken BORDERING??

[sybylla]

106. Do you think Walker and the pukes will stop their arrogant power grab anytime soon?

Me neither. As long as they keep trying this shit, there will be plenty of motivation to recall the bastids.

[Tippy]

26. Mighty big [ IF] there

[rasputin1952]

41. It's always a big "if"...

so much depends on citizens getting involved, with out that we can foretell disaster...:(

I think though, that people have been galvanized by the actions in WI and elsewhere. It may just shake some people out of their lethargy.

[Tippy]

49. I do too but I fear, we may be to late

[rasputin1952]

53. I'm not so sure...

The GOP screamed for "domination"...the got it in the House and in some states; thing is, they got the power, then went whole hog to destroy citizens as quickly as possible. Everything the GOP did to get elected, they squandered, it was all about the economy, (as it is in almost every election); once they got to where they could do something, they abandoned the economy and job creation and went straight to job destruction and policies that send the economy into an even wilder tailspin.

Tax cuts are the precisely the opposite of what should happen...the corp's and the wealthy have done nothing but horde their taxpayer/consumer booty, which in turn, made the nation so much poorer. The worker, whether Dem, R or Ind, has taken about as many blows as it can stand...we are almost to the point of revolution, we are certainly at the point of Class Warfare. This election could prove the turning point...I can't count out the people, sometimes they "get it".

[Tippy]

91. A revolution may well be in our future

The GOP has been setting this up for a long long time. Years as a matter of fact. I can see violence in our future. I hope and pray I am wrong.

[rasputin1952]

96. Notall revolutions are bloody...

Egypt is a case in point, but this would not be against the government per se, I think people would rise up against the monopolies and the ultra wealthy that control so much in so few hands.

People are finally realizing that our government is bought and far too many of those in office are nothing more than clay in the hands of the uber-wealthy. Look at the crop of R's in states and how they are destroying the Middle Class. Virtually every one of them is nothing more than a puppet of the billionaire swine at the top of the Capitalist trough.

That is what will touch off a revolution...people sick of being spit upon, robbed, and enslaved by the few that control so much.

[Tippy]

105. I sure hope you are right.....but I was thinking of what happened

to Giffords as an example, of course I live in redneck country and we have more then enough crazies to make it an armed revolution, ane my fear is hightened...

[rasputin1952]

107. I think what is happening in WI is a good example of a bloodless revolution...

Walker will be ousted in January, some of the legislature before that. That is peaceful revolution in action. It is a shot at big money as well. The real problem is tht Big Money is holding far too much power. TR, back in the day knew this and fought against monopolies and the electoral machine, he won because the pressure put upon the powers was that of the people. These powers decided long ago that WE, the People were little more than a grumbling mass, we'd complain, but not take action. WI and the protests in other states show me that people have finally realized just what is happening. They are working longer hours, having more responsibilities tossed upon them and for less pay and a serious drop in benefits...all the while. people who do not work for a living are getting paid vast sums of cash and stock just to be in a place where they can order the firing of the people they depend on to make them wealthy.

No one is arguing for a takedown of government...it is the money grubbing clowns that feed the machine that need to come down, and people are finally starting to see that and act.

[Kashka-Kat]

18. Because this is what single-party government looks like

When all branches of government are owned by same extremist branch of a single party, the results are not pretty. No checks and balances - job#1 is to break that stranglehold & Wis progressive dems are taking the lead with recalls.

Was talking with aRussian immigrant recently and she was astounded - said she hasnt seen anything like this since USSR broke up and she came here.

[elocs]

36. This is also what the consequences of choosing not to vote looks like.

All it takes for evil like Walker to succeed is for good people to do nothing. Last November here in Wisconsin Republicans showed up to vote, Democrats didn't. Choices...consequences.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

52. Or Hacked voting machines, rigged elections

Don;t be so sure this is not happening.

[elocs]

54. No, I don't buy that excuse here in WI. Dems just didn't vote like they should have last Nov.

When Democrats simply do not bother to vote we need to stop making excuses for that kind of behavior.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

55. Wisconsin isn't exempt from corrupt elections any more than corrupt leadership

There were irregularities in the Wis 2004 election. We have the same voting machines that have been hacked in other states. I still have copious notes regarding Wisconsin elections, the obtainment of the voting machines we use, and much more. It should not be dismissed so lightly.

[elocs]

56. It's not that I so lightly dismiss it, it's that I don't casually use it as an excuse as many do.

Here in Wisconsin it was no secret that last November Democrats were mad at Obama, disappointed, and disenchanted. Republicans smelled blood and were fired up. Given the convergence of those extremes it is no surprise that Democrats stayed home, but it is disappointing.

Every time there is a lost election we cannot always be crying that "we was robbed". That gets to be an easy and convenient excuse for Democratic loses and even to me it gets old. It makes it seem as though we are powerless against the seemingly omnipotent Republicans.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

57. Hardly a "casual" excuse. And sorry it "gets old" to you

Truth be told, I find it much easier to believe this past election was hacked than that Wisconsin ousted Feingold and elected this GOP scumbag as governor.

I am all for getting out the vote. I have not missed an election in decades. But when we STILL USE HACKABLE E-voting machines and have corrupt thugs in our government and election offices we will never know for certain if the results are legitimate.

This is a clarion call. I have no solution to the problem and very little fight left in me for this issue right now, either. But if we really want reform and transparency then getting rid of e-voting equipment should be on the agenda.

[elocs]

61. I find it much easier to believe that Democrats didn't vote

because that is a much more simple explanation given the circumstances and I find simple explanations preferable to the constant cry of a conspiracy. Do that often enough and you will find that people stop believing you even when it might be true.

It's like the wide receiver in football who believes he could never drop a pass and if it happens he always cries for a flag because somebody interfered with him.

I always vote as well but that certainly does not mean that most all Democrats do the same. I don't believe the election here last fall was stolen at all, but it is a convenient excuse for those who could not be bothered to vote.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

66. Dont tell people to stop railing against e-voting. It is hardly "conspiracy" theory

I find simplistic excuses without effort to look deeper even more annoying.

[MedicalAdmin]

74. Here's what you need to know about voting machines

Proprietary = unverifiable = illegitimate. No audit trail = no election = dog and pony show for the plebes.

[midnight]

79. I'm thinking the same thing too.... Karl Rove targeted Wisconsin..

[shanti]

83. it's a collection of things

google shwarzenegger/davis. that was their practice run.

[Scuba]

59. Please share your information on electronic machines. thx.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

65. That is a tall order. HEre's a link to the equipment used in this state

http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=2728&locid=47

MADISON USES ES&S AUTOMARK and Optech EAGLE VOTING EQUIPMENT
Dane County uses the Optech IIIp Eagle (optical scan) and the AutoMARK to meet HAVA.
Statewide by county we use ES&S, SEQUOIA, DIEBOLD, and Votepad, plus Florence and Washburn Counties partially use Populex (Populex 2.3 in Washburn)

My notes are on the 2004 election issues. I got severely burned out in '05 and have not kept up with recent election results here. I'll post more if I find something useful. There is an election reform board on DU. It used to get much more action than it does these days. And why? Nothing has changed. Nothing has been solved. Until we have elctions with a verifiable paper trail, we can't trust the election results.

[Scuba]

67. Thanks, this is a pet topic of mine. I'll read and touch base again. n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

68. Regardless of the type of equipment we use - much of the fraud occurs in the central tabulators.

I'm ashamed that I am so rusty on the issue. One of DU's election reform gurus is Peace PAtriot. He has worked diligently on this for years. He wrote recently,

"To say "we have a paper ballot" ignores the critical NEXT questions: WHO is counting those ballots? Are they ALL being counted? And are they being counted in PUBLIC VIEW?

...In an optiscan system (you) are trusting a PRIVATE corporation to tell you the result. And in 80% of the voting systems in the U.S., we are talking about one, private, FAR RIGHTWING-CONNECTED corporation--ES&S, which just bought out Diebold.

I don't know whether ES&S is operating in Wisconsin (the system could be called "Premier," aka, Diebold, aka, ES&S), but it really doesn't matter. The corporations running the other 20% of the voting systems in the U.S. also use 'TRADE SECRET' code to tabulate the votes, and the main one--Sequoia--is Republican Party-connected.

What's wrong with this picture? WHAT are private corporations DOING running ANY PART of our voting system--let alone the MOST critical part, the tabulation?

Our election system has become a complicated, sophisticated SCAM for stealing elections. But it's not just the filthy money, and it's not just the filthy lobbying, and it's not just the filthy media. It's the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, which can turn one of the most progressive states in the country, Wisconsin, into an ikon of fascism. With these machines 'counting' our votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code, we have no chance to reverse things--no matter how hard we work to elect good people.

Our most basic rights and power as a people, and the bottom line of democracy--voting--has been PRIVATIZED. It has been taken out of the public venue. That WAS the coup d'etat."
-------------
on edit - I just want to add, Wisconsin changed over to Sequoia machines in October 2001, right after 9/11 and during the anthrax scares, thanks to the WI election board supervisor, Kevin KEnnedy. Sequoia (bought out by ES&S - who also more recently bought out Diebold) has a long and crooked history. Our elections supervisor, Kevin Kennedy IMO may be a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was a shill for the e-voting companies in the mid 2000s, and spoke at their RW conferences. http://www.ncvoter.net/hollywood.html

Kennedy also gave a $13.9 million contract to Accenture, without full vote of the elections board. Much more... http://votingindustry.com/About_Us/newsitems/Capital_Accenture.pdf

Kevin Kennedy was my special area of study in 2002-2005... Enough on him for now. Except to ask WHY DO WE STILL HAVE HIM???

[Scuba]

90. Thanks for this. More later. n/t

[MadMaddie]

73. I have been saying the same thing.

Those that were screaming the loudest to punish the Democratic party and President Obama are now screaming prove that Democratic suppporters did that. WTF?

Now we have people talking about the Green Party and other alternatives.....still not having learned the lesson. I don't get it...

[ReggieVeggie]

93. give them a reason to vote

Or is the blame always going to be on someone or something else?

Maybe more Reps and/or indies voting for Reps turned out because they were more motivated.

[pacalo]

75. Knowing all the new governors' uniform agendas, their election "success" was too convenient.

The GOP has been "successful" & "extremely lucky" to have had all the right circumstances occur to be able to enforce their nefarious agendas since Bush was selected by the GOP-majority SCOTUS in 2000.

I'm with you -- I don't discount election theft by a long shot.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

78. And look at all the GOP governors in the midwest now: Wisc, Michigan, Iowa, Ohio...

All the governors in these states are pulling the SAME game plan it seems. While Democrats did take five governorships from the Republicans (California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Minnesota, and Vermont), Republicans took 11 governorships from the Democrats (Iowa, Kansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Maine, Michigan, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Wyoming).

Just too much of a "sweep" after 8 torturous years of bu$h...

[pacalo]

80. I just don't see how that string of victory would happen legitimately.

Even with all the complaints about Obama's continuation with Bush policies, I think the overall sentiment is that Republicans are far worse than Democrats in their (lack of) regard for the common needs of average citizens. Obama may feel insurmountable pressure to continue Bush's policies, but there will always be certain lines that a Democratic president just won't cross (knock on wood).

[pacalo]

81. Not to mention that Russ Feingold wasn't re-elected. Knowing now what I know about

Wisconsinites' political awareness & civics commitment, I find it hard to believe that a man with so much integrity, outstanding work ethic, & courage to right the wrongs was rejected in his election.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

104. Bingo.

I wish more people would stop and think about this.

[shanti]

84. sheez

it worked before! :shrug:

[Le Taz Hot]

94. Why didn't the Democrats show up? n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

95. i keep hearing they didn't but is that true? -nt

[YellowRubberDuckie]

22. I think it's sweet ...

...that you think that you still live in a country where its leaders that were "elected" have to answer to the rule of law or the constitution. Welcome to Communist Russia, where the elections are just to placate you and Stalin would have been right at home. =) Keep protesting. Keep thinking you have any power at all. Baby, government of the people, for the people, by the people is just a memory and your founding fathers are doing log rolls in their graves.

[athenasatanjesus]

28. Cause anybody that tried to do anything would be considered a liberal activist.nt

[Zorra]

30. Corporations now own the government and are no longer subject to the rule of law.

Walker is an agent of the corporations.

He can do whatever they want him to do.

And the SCOTUS will always back them up.

[RagAss]

82. BINGO...This thread is over !!!

[SoCalDem]

31. He's governor, and the whole legislature is teabag-republican

1+1=2

[elleng]

33. AHA, Here's one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x745145

'Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker was sued by two labor unions over a bill restricting collective bargaining by public employees while a state bureau published the law after the secretary of state was ordered not to do so.

A union representing public works employees in Wisconsin’s capital city of Madison and another for firefighters and other public safety officers seek in the state court complaint filed yesterday to have the law invalidated.'

[eowyn_of_rohan]

39. YAY! "Official publication by the Secretary of State required for this act to go into effect"

This gives us some hope!

MADISON (WQOW) -- Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca issued the following statement on the Legislative Reference Bureau's publication of the budget repair bill:

"In conversations this evening with Legislative Council attorneys, I was informed that it is their opinion, as well as the opinion of the Legislative Reference Bureau director, that Act 10 will not take effect based on the actions taken by the Legislative Reference Bureau late this afternoon.

"This bill has been under a cloud of suspicion since day one. Today's actions and statements are only perpetuating the problem. The people of Wisconsin expected that because of the court injunction, Act 10 will not be able to take effect.

"Official publication by the Secretary of State is required for this act to go into effect. The Secretary of State, the only Constitutional officer with the power to publish law, is prohibited by court order from publishing this Act.

"I can only hope that the confusion resulting from today's actions and comments does not harm the many communities and people who will be impacted if this does becomes law. The statements by the administration and legislative leaders only add to the confusion. We can only hope that their misstatements were not intentional or malicious."

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Rep. Barca based his statement on Wisconsin code s. 991.11, Stats. -- from a memo sent to him by Scott Grosz, Staff Attorney

While s. 35.095, Stats., refers to publication-related activities of both the LRB and the Secretary of State, s. 991.11, Stats., makes specific reference to the publication activities of the Secretary of State for purposes of determining the effective date of an act. Section 991.11, Stats., states that every act that does not expressly prescribe the time when it takes effect shall take effect on the day after its date of publication as designated under s. 35.095 (3) (b), Stats. As described above, s. 35.095 (3) (b), Stats., refers to the publication activities of the Secretary of State, rather than the publication activities of the LRB. Accordingly, while certain statutory obligations regarding publication of Act 10 have been satisfied by the LRB, the statutory obligation that relates to the effective date of Act 10 has not yet been satisfied by the Secretary of State, and at this time the Secretary's actions remain subject to the temporary restraining order issued in Dane County Circuit Court.

[Ohio Joe]

45. "confusion" heh, thats a polite way to put it

I would call it a blatant act of contempt of court.

[Cleita]

40. IOKIYAR

It's okay if you are a Republican.

[proud patriot]

43. oligarchy

[Hugabear]

50. Same way Florida's Rick Scott gets away with his shit

Because he's fucking king.

[Hannah Bell]

51. because the ptb want him to succeed? because stepping in = sticking out one's neck

when there's no institutional back-up?

[Scuba]

63. This is a great thread. As a Wisconsinite I am both confident and worried...

..We'll take these bastards down. The people here are energized. Teachers and Unions are leading the way. But everyday citizens are MAD.

I'm worried because some of the damage the Republicans are doing cannot be undone. Both environmental and personal tragedies are subject to this fact.

But we will take these bastards down.

A landslide victory for JoAnne Kloppenburg in the Supreme Court election April 5th will be the first strike back.

At least three recalls are needed to flip the Senate. Luther Olsen, Randy Hopper, and Dan Kapanke appear to be toast. Each of the eight who can be recalled (except perhaps Glenn Grothman) is threatended.

Then we're gonna get that bastard Walker when the Constitional waiting period is over. Collectively these recalls will be the most impressive citizen-driven government turnover in American history.

And it's just the start.

[CatholicEdHead]

85. Any plans for Keelfisch? The Lt Gov?

She is of the Sarah Palin mode, not much better if not even worse than Walker. Recall on her eventually too?

[Scuba]

89. There hasn't been much talk about her, perhaps....

...because the Lt. Gov has less power than the shadows of previous legislators.

[Jackpine Radical]

112. I think Alberta Darling and Sheila Harsdorf are also

on the Endangered "Specious" list.

[PeaceNikki]

64. He's not. It's far from over.

Keep watching, we'll take care of this. Recalls are underway, court cases filed, TRO in place and most importantly, the people are energized. The GOP is grasping at straws because they know they won't have this state again for generations.

[Catherina]

87. "Is a Governor so powerful that he can simply break the law... Repeatedly... In plain sight.... "

"Is a Governor so powerful that he can simply break the law... Repeatedly... In plain sight.... Admitting it..."

Whose interests does he serve? Your answer's right there.

Rec'd.

[Doctor_J]

97. Because no one is stopping him

I predicted at the time that the march on Madson would accomplish zero. I am baffled that, after watching 20 years of accelerating right-wing lawlessness, people would believe that we can beat them with speeches and posters. If this doesn't get really ugly, really soon, it's over. Period.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

102. where are you?

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is instead of griping about how Wisconsin and Madison aren't doing enough? You want it to get "ugly"? Is this just a spectator sport to you?

[rasputin1952]

108. There is more to this than speeches...

a very serious recall effort has come from the WI situation for starters, and many of us see this as going beyond the borders of WI. I can tell you that here in the incredibly Red state of Nebraska, people with some serious GOP credentials are getting very worried about what is happening in WI. The effects of this can easily ripple through the populace, and with the GOP running on empty with the promises of jobs, and gong directly into social situations that have nothing to do with jobs, they are on very tenuous ground. People around here are already making excuses for Boehner on the national level, and that tells me that the GOP is shaking.

This is not a local situation, in the political world, Walker and his ilk dragging a lot of people down with them.

[Doctor_J]

114. I don't really see it

walker is going ahead with his agenda despite court orders, recall petitions, hundreds of thousands marching in protest. As in the title of my previous post, nothing is really being done to actually stop him. and this is in a liberal Obama state. Here in my state, the governor can now, at his whim, hand any community he wants to over to appointed executors - basically imposing Martial Law. Send me a PM when one of these fascist initiatives is actually overturned, or their purveyors actually booted out of office. Excuses are being made for all of the Repukes - that's what comes of having complete control of Big Media.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

115. I share your frustration

sorry if I seemed harsh. It is because i am so frustrated myself. I know we, as a huge group of individuals, are doing whatever we can short of committing a crime... the continuing protests are a good thing. They get attention, and people listen and learn, which draws more people into the movement. Others are working on collecting signatures for recalls. Those who are in a position to file lawsuits are doing so. It is NOT going away, we will do the best we can. If things must get more unruly, I can almost guarantee you, they will. It is simmering and at times near the boiling point...