Do you see a trend? The beginning of the end of the corporate putsch to seize control of America?

[Cal33]

In Vermont, the House of Reps. passed the bill for a Single Payer Healthcare system.
There is still a long fight ahead, of course.

In Wisconsin, the people have been demonstrating for weeks against their crude, blunt
and none-too-bright Governor Walker for his actions to castrate the bargaining power of
the unions. This has aroused the American people throughout the nation to support them.

In Michigan, Governor Snyder has come out with just as crude and brutal efforts
to beat down the middle-class Miciganers. And this has also brought out the anger of
the Ameican people against Snyder.

Doesn't it look as though more and more of the American people are begining to wake up
and realize what the corporate right-wingers are trying to do -- in spite of all the
propaganda and lies being spread through the 90% of the news media that they own?

A high percentage of the corporate right-wingers and their supporters are sociopaths.
And sociopaths (people with criminal personalities) can't help behaving the way they do.
It's their sickness. Nothing will change them. So they will continue in their ways.

The difference is that more and more Americans are waking up to what's really going on
-- in spite of the right-wing propaganda and lies. Their support of the right-wingers
has been falling. When the numbers of people supporting the right-wingers will have
gone below a critical level, that's when the right-wingers will begin to lose. They
will have brought it on themselves with their greed. And they can't stop being greedy.

Wisconsin, Vermont and Michigan could be indicators of the beginning of the awakening
of the American people to the evil that has been overtaking our nation.

It is taking a long time, but eventually, TRUTH WILL OUT !!

[shraby]

1. I believe Gov. Snyder is from Michigan

[Cal33]

6. You are correct. Thanks for letting me know to edit the mistake in time.

[felinetta]

20. Another sign: people are changing banks.

[Cal33]

40. Yes, it is a sign. It might be better for them to switch over to credit unions, though.

[global1]

2. Seems To Me The Biggest Thing That Needs To Be Overturned Is......

the Citizens United ruling by SCOTUS. Until that is dealt with the Corps still have the upper hand.

[Cal33]

7. Is there any chance that Clarence Thomas might have to resign?

He is another example of there being too many sociopaths in high places.
And this will be the cause of our ruin as a nation -- if we don't change
things soon enough.

[Tippy]

3. Corporations will pour billions into the effort to keep that from happening

[Cal33]

28. Yes, they most certainly will. So, both sides will be working harder.

[fascisthunter]

Americans are Realizing the Jingoism was all a front for the Fascist Traitors

and sociopathy is an epidemic of sorts in this country. Just have a conversation with their most ardent supporters, you'll get a sense that there is something missing in these nut cases brains.

[Cal33]

30. During the G.W. Bush years, anyone who spoke negatively of

him could be called un-American, un-Patriotic, or even a traitor to America.
I have long sinced noticed a habit of the NeoCons: they often accused
others of the wrong-doing that they themselves have in mind to do.

Yes, the Fascist right-wingers are doing their best to seize control of
our democratic America, and turn it into an oligarchy with themselves
as the masters, and the rest of the people their servants.

You'll have another guess coming You may have already seized most of the
money, but you ain't got the rest of the country yet, Buster! Not by
a long shot! YOU are the betrayors of our nation -- not the other way
around. The words from your lying mouths mean nothing. And you'll be
made to pay for your crimes against the people of America.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. Or the end of the beginning.

Hopeful yet cynical.

[teamster633]

19. from the original,

on the occasion of the allied victory in North Africa in May of 1943:

"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it may be the end of the beginning."

--Winston Churchill
hopeful and determined

[Cal33]

45. Either way.

[MinneapolisMatt]

5. You might want to fix that about Minnesota. Our Governor is a Dem.

Mark Dayton.

[Cal33]

8. Sorry about the mistake. I edited it out in time.

[MinneapolisMatt]

24. No prob! Thanks!

:hi:

[Enthusiast]

32. We can at least be thankful

for that.

[polichick]

9. We'll still need a peoples party to vote for - rather than two...

...corporate whore parties. Will it be a refocused Dem Party - or a new one?

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[azul]

18. The uniting platform would be a simple:

Corporate influence out of the people's government.

Populist democrats, take over of the D party. Else perhaps go something Greenish, but with a simpler platform.

[Enthusiast]

34. Conditions are so urgent

that we need to turn the political apparatus that already exists. Tall task. I do not know how to do it.

[nenagh]

10. Do you suppose that as an entity.. the corporation itself is sociopathic..

whatever a sociopath really is.. :(

The corporation operates for the betterment of itself only...

Not that I'm an expert..

[roguevalley]

12. corporations are amoral and self protecting against all

comers and even common sense. yes, they are amoral. The next election will tell us a lot.

[Cal33]

27. Corporations are inanimate objects. They can do neither good nor evil. It's the people running them

who are doing all the selfish, greedy and crooked things. It's
even quite possible that there may be a few decent, honest
corporations that are in existence today. I can't name any
names though.

[Cal33]

21. No. I don't think a corporation itself is sociopathic, just as money

itself is not evil. It depends on the people who use it.

Among the charcteristics of a sociopath are his greed for money and power.
Where are the best places to find them? Among the excellent ones are
business corporations and politics. Sociopaths are drawn to them like
magnets attrract iron-filings. Between 2 and 4 percent of the general
population have anti-social personality disorder (sociopaty). You'll
find significantly more than 4% sociopaths among corporate executives
and politicians.

This is where the money and power are, and this is what attracts sociopaths
to these professions like honey attracts flies.

By no means am I implying that all corporatists and politicians are
sociopathic, even though sometimes it might look that way. In fact, the
majority of them are not. Sometimes it looks that way because people
tend to pay more attention to what's going on that's wrong, and take it
for granted when things are going right.

Sociopaths are found in all professions and political parties. It's a
question of more or less. My guess is that a higher percentage of them
are among the Neocons -- both in numbers and in the degree of severity
of the personality disorder. The founders of Neoconism, like Irving
Kristol, recommended lying to the masses, if it should be of benefit to
those in power. This, of course, is very attractive to sociopaths, who
are already lying as naturally as they breathe, anyway. They've found
acceptance and a home right there. This is where they belong.

[nenagh]

26. Thank you Cal33, for the explanation..

Interesting to read about Irving Kristol, recommending lying to the masses..

as I sense that one criteria for their MSM spokespeople is the ability to lie easily and effectively.

[Cal33]

29. You are very welcome, nenagh. There is a good deal of

information on NeoConservatism that can be obtained by Googling. There are
tens of thousands of articles.

[hifiguy]

42. Thom Hartmann has been talking about this forever

The core problem is that the structure of large corporations both encourages and rewards sociopaths and sociopathic behaviors. To run a small-to-medium-sided business and to run a large corporation are entirely separate things. I know of no one who runs the former who is not deeply concerned about the people in his/her employ. Such "humanness" runs entirely against the grain of large corporations. In order to run such an enterprise one must think exactly like Josef Stalin, who famously said that the death of one man is a tragedy but that the death of 100,000 is a statistic.

[Myrina]

11. Sorry, no, I think this is the beginning of the new 'Dark Ages'

:( Sigh. :hide:

[Cal33]

23. Only if we allow the right-wing corporatists to win. Good things don't just

drop in your mouth. We have to work for them. If you look
at the situation seriously, you'll see that the reason the
corporatists have come so far is that they worked very, very
hard to get here.

All the planning they've done since over a hundred years. F.i.,
have you ever asked yourself how come they own 90% of the news
media? Was it a fluke, or was it by design and planning? So today
they have half of the people in our country brain-washed and doing
their bidding -- even though their bidding is based mostly on
propaganda and lies.

[bemildred]

14. I see this trend:

[Cal33]

46. Who's that? Them, us, or both?

[azul]

16. I think that the truth coming out is about happiness and contentment,

and that just may change the tax code. By such the wealthy will be helped to find happiness in giving. (Greed and manipulation of other people's lives by the power of money is an unhealthy mental dysfunction.)

Studies are showing that if the basic necessities of life are provided, additional wealth and stuff don't add much to happiness, in fact can subtract from it. It is social contacts and friends that add to happiness for most people.

So, for the government to help the greatest number of citizens in their pursuit of happiness, or avoidance of suffering, it should distribute the wealth, via taxes, of all its income and workers to provide the basics of clean air, food, water, medical care, available jobs and affordable housing.

The democratic social contract. When the least are provided for in basic human needs, every one can pursue their own thing with a clear conscience and no fear of falling into an abject poverty situation.

[Cal33]

25. What you say is true of many people, but not of all, at least not yet.

Sociopaths, through circumstances (possibly both genetic and environmental),
have a defective conscience. They don't think or feel the way most people
do. F.i., they are not bothered when they see people in extreme misery or
pain. Most people are bothered. And it isn't their fault. They developed
that way because of circumstances as they were growing up.

[CrispyQ]

17. I hope you're right, but I don't see it.

DUers are more aware than the average American. I'll bet if you went out on the street & asked people what's going on in WI, MI, & OH, most of them wouldn't have a clue. And whereas I put a lot of blame on their apathy & refusal to make the time to educate themselves, I also blame our compromised media. I haven't heard a word about WI on the news in weeks.

Perhaps I just know a higher percentage of uninformed people who don't give a shit?

[Uncle Joe]

22. I believe the average American is becoming more aware because of the Internet and in spite

of weakening corporate media's attempts to dumb the people down.

That's part of the reason, these events are taking place in those states, not to mention other progressive dynamics taking place such as the dawning realization of the insanity behind the so called "War on Drugs" as other states have changed their laws in re: to Cannabis.

[Enthusiast]

31. What you said about the media.

This is the real problem. And every day I get to watch the advertisement with the Chinese discussion on how "Americans now work for us". Who paid for that advertisement, the Kochs?

[indimuse]

33. This is GLOBAL! n/t

[Enthusiast]

35. Apparently it is that "new world order"

that George H. W. Bush spoke of. Just a little slip of the tongue, you know, like when his son said, "It's a crusade!"

[indimuse]

38. connect the dots..

it's not hard. plenty of info OUT THERE! You won't find it here..nor are we allowed to speak of it here.. censorship is high.

((An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
<snip>
We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

They will perform the labour for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.... )) ~ ?

[LatteLibertine]

36. Examine the history of labor in this nation

I believe some would be tickled pink to go back to slavery, wage slavery and child labor.

We're nothing to them but objects without feeling to be exploited.

[Cal33]

37. Yes, these people would be tickled pink to go back to "slavery,

wage slavery and child labor." These are the same sociopaths who make up between
2% and 4% of our general poplation. They are the ones who go most eagerly and avidly
after money and power, and you'll find a larger number of them holding high positions
in government and private industry than any other group. It has always been so
throughout history, and in every nation on earth.

In Reply 21 of this thread, I've given a brief description of sociopathy or
"anti-social personality disorder."

[Scuba]

39. Stay in the Streets...

We are making a difference in the Streets of America. Make a sign, take a walk around your State's Capitol, or the business district in your town.

Post something sane on your local paper's web site blog(s).

Call your Congress-critters. Tell the good ones (if any) that you're proud of them and you're working for them. Tell the bad ones what you think of them.


When some right-winger spews some of their talking points, just respond with "you fell for that?" and walk away. But don't let it go without a challenge, at least not in the presence of others.

In Wisconsin we're challenging our government, and hopefully taking the lead for others in Lansing, Columbus, Augusta and elsewhere.

[Cal33]

43. I agree. It's important that demonstrations be kept up until the

problem is solved.

[Lifelong Protester]

41. World wide, and in my part of the midwest (WI, of course)

I see people slowly connecting the dots...

You are right, SCUBA, we need to stay in the streets and keep on top of this

Many people are now seeing their own (small) economic power and boycotting
People are moving money from banks they do not trust
People I have known to NEVER be political are paying attention
Recall? Did someone say recall?

I remain guardedly optimistic that the giant has been awoken, and that giant is US!

STAY AWAKE, AMERICA!!

[Cal33]

44. I think the giant is still only half awake. It's people like

Walker and Snyder who, through their poor judgment and stupidity, will help
to complete the job.

[white_wolf]

47. I've noticted people using the term sociopath a lot.

I'm just wondering isn't a sociopath technically one who has no moral compass? If so that sums up corporations and the right wing perfectly. I've heard many serial killers are sociopaths.

[Cal33]

49. You are right. And Al Capone also comes under that category,

There are different degrees of severity of this personality disorder, which is generally
called "anti-social" An unofficial description would be the personality disorder of the
criminal." Our prisons have the highest number of them.

Just imagine having more and more of these characters holding high positions -- either
in private industry, or in government. How could we NOT be having the financial mess
that our nation is having? Whatever they have touched has turned rotten and corrupt
-- within and without.

These rotten apples have to be repealed and replaced with decent, honest and hard-working
leaders, who have the interest of the American people at heart, not just their own
pockets.

Also please read Reply 21 in this thread, where there is a brief explanation of what
sociopathy is about.

[gracchorumspes]

48. Its been 'beginning' for a good while now...

Just sayin. But I hear your overall message, hope you're right.