I am beginning to think the boards names should be changed

[RegieRocker]

to Statement Boards not Discussion Boards. If you base your opinion on emotions and no one can present facts to change your position on issues. It's obvious there is no discussion.

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[RegieRocker]

2. You're really really welcome.

[Edweird]

3. The ironing is delicious.

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. Unintentional ironing is the best kind. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

36. !

Oh, my.







That reminds me, I have some delicious ironing to get out of the clothes dryer before it gets too wrinkled.

[Ikonoklast]

4. Here's an idea: Start your own website.

You can call it whatever you want to.

[bigwillq]

5. ....

:thumbsup:

[RegieRocker]

7. Lol you just made my point concrete. Thanks

[Ikonoklast]

15. Umm, you made no point to begin with.

I suggest you read the site owner's rules which we all post under.

I'm just guessing that you haven't.

[RegieRocker]

20. Ludicrous and empty.

[Ikonoklast]

23. Statement of opinion, not discussion.

If you care to discuss things with people that just might disagree with you, be prepared to...HAVE PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU.

[RegieRocker]

37. Yours was a statement of opinion. My point was clear.

More discussion is needed on the boards, quite simple really.

[Ikonoklast]

47. "Do you have any delicious ironing?"

Say that in Napoleon Dynamite's voice, then get back to me.

[MedleyMisty]

6. I vote for Republican Underground

Because I have seen a ton of rightwing talking points and stuff from Fox News and Libyan State TV repeated here about Libya, and the same soulless disregard for the lives of other humans.

[RegieRocker]

8. Sadly as much as that is true there still is not a good amount

of discussion. Just agreeing or discounting. That was my point. I wish it wasn't the case.

[BeFree]

13. cool

Let's discuss the voting machines. You start.

[RegieRocker]

16. There is a way to cheat with anything. Even paper.

Safeguards are the only way to make sure as best as possible to limit fraud.

[BeFree]

21. Like what?

What kind of safeguards?

I guess, first, is what is the main problem with how votes are counted?

Is it the best system?

[RegieRocker]

25. Paper votes?

[BeFree]

35. well

Not much for really discussing this matter, eh?

And here I figured I had a live one....

Anywho. "Paper votes?" That is not a system. That is just a piece of a system.

The best system would have to have paper votes.
How the votes are counted is another piece of the system.

What counts your vote?

[RegieRocker]

39. I ask you a question and you come back with

"Not much for really discussing this matter, eh?". See that is what I mean. Who counts my vote? As I pointed out, any system can be cheated.

[tallahasseedem]

12. I agree...

very, very scary.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Well who do you think has hardened the attitudes...........

of the folks on DU? I might even say radicalized because I, PERSONALLY, get pretty damn pissed off when people try to take away my rights of association. It's not us that started this war, but I'm damned sure going to do my BEST to finish it.

As to statements, I'll freely admit that I'm on here with an anticapitalist agenda. I put it upfront in my user name and I've been doing it for 40 years. You're free to argue the capitalist cause as much as I argue the socialist cause and we'll let our readers decide.

IOW, THAT'S where the "discussion" come in, arguing about competing economic systems. I don't have a problem with this type of discussion because I feel confident that events are bearing out my predictions about the capitalist system.

[RegieRocker]

10. As long as you have a open mind I sse nothing wrong with

having a viewpoint. A closed mind however does not allow any discussion.

[Codeine]

22. And of course if you can't change their minds

they must have closed ones, right?

[RegieRocker]

34. Only if they choose to ignore the facts. Real hard facts.

Yes. When a person refuses to believe reality they do have a closed mind. On the other side if they have real hard facts then it is up to me to open my mind and re-think my position with the new information. It goes both ways. Would you agree with that?

[Codeine]

38. Fact are always multifaceted and open to multiple interpretations.

Perhaps your hard facts and reality come across as manipulated figures and half-truths to another. Surely you've been presented with facts that you believe are in error, misrepresented,or do not lead to the conclusions that they presenter thinks they do?

[RegieRocker]

43. Sure but when multiple studies or research show the same

outcome versus bought and paid for ones then there is a huge difference. One of my main mantras is "Perception and justification are the essence of ego". It stands out like a beacon when someone chooses to ignore good facts. Someone mentioned I start my own website. I surely good do that, easily. However it's not the website I was inferring to. It's society.

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[RegieRocker]

14. So you're attempting to diminish my post by attacking my

grammar? The point of which is to silence my viewpoint by attacking my grammar. That only people with absolute correct grammar are the only ones allowed to post on this site according to you? Yeah that is democratic. You're part of the problem. If you're unable to comprehend what a person is saying because of their choice or inability to not worry or be in the least concerned about absolute grammar correctness then that is your problem not theirs. It is not your position in life to tell others what they need or should do. My post was about the necessity to have more discussions and a more open mindedness to the boards. Have a nice day.

[leftstreet]

18. I'm tempted to K&R this for not bitching about the meat ads n/t

[Codeine]

19. Pot Calling the Kettle Black Boards may be even more apropos. nt

[Shagbark Hickory]

24. Good point. Although I prefer ArgueBoards.

:silly:

[Codeine]

26. No you don't. nt

[Shagbark Hickory]

42. Don't bloody tell me what I do and dont want!

:lol:

[RegieRocker]

28. That's fine. That would still be a discussion. The things I don't

see much are...

I never thought of it that way...
I didn't know that.....
You're right....

just some examples.

[Codeine]

29. Have you ever posted anything like that on a subject dear to you? nt

[RegieRocker]

32. Yes I have.

[fishwax]

27. it's possible to discuss emotions

:shrug: :)

[RegieRocker]

30. I hope so because if not people are getting ripped off

by the Psychiatry Association and Counselors. Damn how does Dr. Phil remain on TV?

[Rex]

31. Then why feed those that don't want to have a discussion?

Just ignore them like everyone else does. They clearly only want to argue without any real point. Waste of time imo.

[RegieRocker]

33. Ok you got me on that one. That is my fatal flaw I guess.

[Rex]

44. I do it too, just kinda cutting back since I realize some people come

here to fight and nothing else. They don't want to argue with you per se...they just want you to agree with their point of view and get mad if you don't. At that point, it is a waste of time since they don't want to discuss anything with you.

[RegieRocker]

46. Exactly

They post statements and do not want or will not discuss.

[Avant Guardian]

40. Your emotions are talking again

[RegieRocker]

45. How do you know?

[Avant Guardian]

49. By reading your OP

[LWolf]

41. I freely admit that it's unlikely that anyone on DU will change my mind about anything.

It HAS happened on occasion, through reasoned, thoughtful, respectful discourse.

It's been at least 3 years, maybe 4, since that has happened, that I can remember.

It has never happened through the use of party-line propaganda.

I also freely admit that my emotions play a part. For me, though, FIRST comes words, actions, policies, which I think are wrong, destructive, and harmful. The emotion is anger and dismay, and, frankly, an unmitigating fury at those who promote those harmful words, actions or polices, repeat them, excuse them, defend them, enable them, disdain them, downplay them, or deny them.

My opinion, in part, is based on my background, and my 5 decades of experience. It's based on recognizing patterns and connections.

It's based on observing, and experiencing, consequences.

AND it's based on fact.

In reality, I probably shouldn't be so angry at people who don't recognize those patterns, connections, consequences, and FACTS. When you depend on corrupt corporate media or party propaganda for your information, you are going to be mislead, unless you have a predisposition for honest skepticism and for digging for truth. Still, I think all citizens have that responsibility, and I despise the neglect of that responsibility.

So...if anyone would like to enter into a reasoned discussion based on facts that are not produced by linking to obviously unreliable sources, like mainstream media and party websites...if anyone wants to look beyond facts that may not have any correlation or causation to the issue under discussion, and discuss why various sources of information might present their facts the way they do, might choose which facts to include and which to exclude, then...

Bring on the discussion.

[Skidmore]

48. So you have no emotional responses to factual events or policy decisions?

If we have emotional responses, why should you assume that your facts are automatically at odds with a response. Exactly how inferior are we to react with outrage or anger or pride or you name it. I guess my immediate reaction to your "statement" is that somehow clinical "statements" are superior intellectually. Sometimes analytical just doesn't do the job.

[Avant Guardian]

50. The OP is Spock

Logical purity in its finest form

[Rex]

51. Even Spock broke down and cried.

Hell, he killed Kirk out of ragequit madness!

[ZombieHorde]

52. I am sorry you have not experienced discussions here, but I have had discussions here. nt