Feel like giving up?

[Earth_First]

Please reconsider, THIS is why:









Consider the alternative:





http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Child_Labor,_1918.JPG

[leftstreet]

1. I don't get it

:shrug:

[aquart]

2. You don't get the difference between a child in school and a child in a factory?

Then we really have lost.

[drokhole]

7. Our schools are factories...

...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7YIBW0xItQ

[bahrbearian]

20. I was going to flame you, until I watched your links

[drokhole]

22. Ha, thanks for taking the time to watch the videos!

Figured I let them do the talking, since they do a far better job explaining the point than I ever could have.

It seems like an outrageous statement/claim, I know. Especially when schools don't appear that way in the literal sense. But it is interesting when you realize public schools were created during the emergence of the Industrial Revolution - so, to them, it made sense to develop schools to reflect the same functions/structures of the factory setting (like they said in the RSA vid). The problem is we've done next to nothing in terms of updating its structure as time went on (especially given the advances in neuroscience/behavioral studies). I go into much more detail on my thoughts on the matter in one of my older threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=583919&mesg_id=583919


Also, if you or anyone else is interested, someone had linked me to a comprehensive essay on the subject in that thread that I thought did an amazing job at really laying it all out there (again, better that I could have):

http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030301studentasnigger.html

It's a bit long, and the title may be a bit crass (which, if you read the preface, was the entire point), but the article is extremely well-reasoned and incredibly timely for being written in the late '60s.

Thanks again for the open mindedness! Glad to be able to avoid scourge, whenever possible.

[shraby]

3. Kids who can't go to school and learn information to further

themselves in life will be relegated to work in factories and menial jobs at very young ages. The push is now on to allow young children to work unlimited hours for little pay.
If you don't get it, it's time for you to lay off the koolaid.

[leftstreet]

5. Oh. Is there some effort afoot to bring us anything but 'menial jobs?'

I say get the kids used to it early

:sarcasm:

[CrispyQ]

4. Some states are looking to repeal child labor laws.

http://current.com/news/92998111_gop-missouri-lawmaker-pushes-bill-rolling-back-child-labor-laws.htm


on edit: Wow, some really snotty replies! What the fuck people, is it necessary to be so nasty? Couldn't you have just answered the question without the attitude?

[shraby]

6. My answer was in reply to #1

[CrispyQ]

8. My apoligies. -nt

[leftstreet]

10. There's a way to address that without insulting the working class

Can be done without suggesting factory work is negative

Why not some photos of toddlers running coffee for Wall Street execs?

[Earth_First]

11. Who's insulting the working class here?

Please do not feel like you're being clever here and redefining the message of the OP...

[leftstreet]

12. The photo message is: If kids don't go to school they'll work in factories

It's confusing

Why do factories pay so little? vs Should child labor be legal?

Working class pay and child labor are two separate issues

:shrug:

[Earth_First]

13. No, it is NOT...

The message is, if we keep up our current pace of busting unions and gutting education funding, we will revert to a society where exploitation of labor laws will revert us to someplace we've fought to eradicate from the current workplace...

You know this.

Please stop trying to redefine my message.

[leftstreet]

19. "our current pace of busting unions" ?? There ARE no unions

Union membership is lower now than it was in 1932

We won't revert to a society that exploits labor laws - we already have

[shraby]

15. No one is trying to insult the working class..through the

power of photos, the op is trying to bring home the point that without educating our young people, we will be taking giant steps backward from where we are now.
It has to do with YOUNG people being relegated to factory jobs, not adult factory workers. The young are the future of our country in science, invention, teaching, politics, and every other phase of progress. If they aren't prepared for it, our country is going nowhere in the national and international scene.
We will be Bangladesh writ large.

[kenny blankenship]

9. Easy there! You'll give Republicans ideas for their next ideological cause:

"Child labor made this country great!"

[Kablooie]

14. So if I give up kids will have to wear hats?

[MineralMan]

16. Nicely done. Thanks.

[grasswire]

17. My grandfather worked in a plow factory as a child.

He vowed that no child of his would ever have to do factory work. And none did. Nor did his grandchildren. The fate of his progeny who are as yet unborn remains to be seen.

[undeterred]

18. We don't even have factories.

[messiah]

21. LOL

everybody has already given up by not stopping the rightward movement of the democratic party.
It has been over ever since Clinton won his first election and turned democrats into pro-business & pro-war neoliberals.

[StarburstClock]

23. Feel like giving up on lying, criminal politicos and failed systems

and creating new ones that actually work.