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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 12:29 PM
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An Under Current



{1} “....Yes, but Mississippi this week, Philly-NY next week; it's hard until early April ….”
--Tom Hayden; letter to H2O Man; March 25, 2011.

A couple of my Good Friends from the Democratic Underground community have asked me “what's happening?” with the series of interviews I had begun in January, with Mark Rudd. The second interview I've planned is with Tom Hayden, and I had hoped to have it completed in February. However, scheduling issues have not allowed for the interview to be complete ….yet.

I've considered the option of doing another interview in between. There are several other individuals who I am planning to do interviews with, that I think (hope!) will be of interest to this internet community. In fact, this series of interviews is being conducted specifically for the Democratic Underground – because I recognize that large segments of the people here are either “old hands” at community organizing, or are “younger hands,” with the potential to do the yeoman's work needed to build a decentralized national organization to promote the Democratic Left.

I also believe that there are some people who visit this site who oppose such a concept, and who prefer the idea of the Democratic Left falling in line behind the party's national “leadership.” We inhabit very different realities. I respect the idea that there is room for all Democrats on this forum. My goal is to help organize the Democratic Left. Perhaps after that, we can break bread with the moderates and conservative democrats.

That I am not substituting a different interview before Hayden may seem rigid to some here. Likewise, my ideas on organizing the Left before conducting business with others may seem rigid. In my own mind's eye, it is simply following a road map in the often confusing maze of the socio-political realities of 2011.




{2} “Our apologies, good friends, for the fracture of good order, the burning of paper instead of children, the angering of the orderlies in the front parlor of the charnel house. We could not, so help us God, do otherwise.....
“We act against the law at a time of the Poor People’s March, at a time moreover when the government is announcing ever more massive paramilitary means to confront disorder in the cities. It is announced that a computerized center is being built in the Pentagon at a cost of some seven millions of dollars, to offer instant response to outbreaks anywhere in the land; that moreover, the government takes so serious a view of civil disorder, that federal troops, with war experience in Vietnam, will have first responsibility to quell civil disorder. The implications of all this must strike horror in the mind of any thinking man.
“The war in Vietnam is more and more literally brought home to us. Its inmost meaning strikes the American ghettos; in servitude to the affluent. We must resist and protest this crime.'
Daniel Berrigan; Catonville Nine; Federal Court trial; October, 1968.

On May 17, 1968, a group of Catholic anti-war activists took 378 “draft files” into a parking lot in Catonsville, Maryland, placed them in a basket, and burned them with home-made napalm. The leader of the group was Father Daniel Berrigan, a Jesuit who, along with his brother Phillip, were friends with then presidential candidate, Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

When facing a lengthy sentence in federal prison for the Catonsville protest, Daniel opted to “go underground.” FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover was obsessed with finding Berrigan, who would appear unexpectedly at various anti-war protests, then disappear before Hoover's forces could apprehend him.

To Hoover's dismay, Daniel Berrigan would connect with members of the infamous Weather Underground. One of his letters to members of the Weather Underground is featured in Harrison Salisbury's powerful book, “The Eloquence of Protest: Voices of the 1970s” (Houghton Mifflin; 1972). A couple of paragraphs stand out:
“I'm trying to say that when people look about them for lives to run with and when hopeless people look for hope, the gift we can offer others is so simple a thing as hope. As they said about Che, as they said about Jesus, some people, even to this day, he gave us hope. ….Instead of thinking of the underground as temporary or exotic or abnormal, perhaps we are being called upon to start thinking of its implications as an entirely self-sufficient, mobile, internal revival community, so that the underground may be the definition of our future. ….
“When madness is the acceptable public state of mind, we're all in danger; all in danger for we are under the heel of former masters as under the heel of new ones. … The question now is what we can create.”
Besides studying the tactics and teachings of Daniel and Phillip Berrigan, and having the chance to know and work with a number of their friends, one of the most important opportunities I have had was communicating with both of the brothers. Never in person, but through letters and phone calls. In the past few weeks and months, I've been thinking about the bold message of hope they communicated to those seeking refuge from the madness of a society addicted to violence and warfare.


{3} “Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God, and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my nation. The great initiative in that war is ours. The initiative to stop it must be ours.”
--Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.; A Time to Break Silence (Beyond Vietnam); April 4, 1967.

When Martin Luther King worked for “civil rights,” he faced that rabid opposition of sick individuals who refused to recognize the humanity of non-white American citizens. When King began connecting the civil rights movement with the war in Vietnam, and began calling for a massive change in the economic system in our country, he became the target of larger forces, those who capitalize on the suffering and even violent death of millions of their brothers and sisters around the globe.

In response, King had planned a “Poor Peoples' Campaign,” in which he planned to have thousands of poor folks – black, brown, red, yellow, and white; young and old; of all religions or no religion – occupy the city of Washington, DC, to highlight not only the evil of the Machine, but to shine the light of hope that is the human potential.

For many within the Democratic Left, his “A Time to Break Silence” remains the greatest message of the reality of our times ….. it is surely as relevant today, as it was in 1967. Yet, the stress and confusions of today have blurred our ability to connect with King's vision of the “next step” – the Poor Peoples Campaign.

Perhaps what is required is for a small group of individuals to serve as a the fuse for the peaceful powder keg of inert citizens. Maybe the need is for a dozen individuals, including some who are “high profile,” to overturn the psychological tables in the temples in Washington, DC. Not to call people to Washington for a few hour picnic protest, where there are a few fiery speeches, and then people go home. But rather, to concentrate the poverty that the Machine is churning out into a Tent City. To have people hopeful enough that they will be invested in a movement that may result in incarceration for some. To revive the spirit of Martin Luther King. To bring the current of the growing “underclass”above ground.

Peace,
H2O Man
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:00 PM
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1. Recommended. And point number 3 is, IMHO, critical.
I'm kicking this and adding a thought.

"...Perhaps what is required is for a small group of individuals to serve as a the fuse for the peaceful powder keg of inert citizens. Maybe the need is for a dozen individuals, including some who are “high profile,” to overturn the psychological tables in the temples in Washington, DC. Not to call people to Washington for a few hour picnic protest, where there are a few fiery speeches, and then people go home. But rather, to concentrate the poverty that the Machine is churning out into a Tent City. To have people hopeful enough that they will be invested in a movement that may result in incarceration for some. To revive the spirit of Martin Luther King. To bring the current of the growing “underclass”above ground...."


Efforts need to be sustained over long periods of time, they need to span several news cycles.

Indeed, the "growing underclass" needs to surface.

Permanently.

:patriot:
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:27 PM
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4. How about a group of 14? Or is it just that I'm so proud of the Wisconsin 14.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 03:56 PM
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5. Thanks.
I spent yesterday morning with a few friends. Although a couple of them are from the Lakota Nation, they now reside in upstate New York. They are involved in efforts to set up informal "communes," where people garden, barter, etc. I think that is a significant part of survival in the current situation that so many of us face.

At the same time, forming alliances and confederations of like-minded groups is essential. Everyone cannot attend every rally, for example, but when every individual who attends a rally is reprsenting a group, we obtain more political/social power.

We need to think -- and act -- outside of the boundries that "normal" society dictates. We do not have the luxury of hoping that some politician will do that for us, unless we exert maximum pressure.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:07 AM
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25. The "commune" idea is one that I tried to pitch at
DU once upon a time and something that I'm trying to do irl in my own neighborhood. I started a Plant Swap two years ago that increases in participation every year. I want to add a weekly Farmer's Market if there are enough backyard gardeners like myself. I want to start a barter list -- all ways to break away from being owned by the corporations. Sorry, the "commune" thing just piqued my interest. A.D.D. moment. Carry on. ;-)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:14 PM
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2. K & R !!! - Hey, H2O Man...
Here's a link to the text and audio of MLK's 'Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence' speech.

Link: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

The whole site is great!

Link: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/

:hi:

:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 07:56 PM
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8. Great links!
Thanks for those!
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 01:16 PM
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3. thank you H20man
for the picture too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:02 PM
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10. I could easily
sit by that lake for weeks. It's beautiful. I make a point of sitting there every time I visit my uncle at Watkins Glen.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:51 PM
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6. “Somehow this madness must cease"
!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:03 PM
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12. I remember that
years ago, you and I "met" on DU in a thread where I quoted from King's powerful speech at the Riverside Church in NYC. It remains the most prophetic of his messages.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:23 PM
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13. My Favorite King Line Is One I First Learned From You
The moral arm of the universe quote keeps me sane because I believe it
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:49 PM
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16. I'm working on
a "new" library in the upstairs of our house. It's somewhere between a large closet and a small room. As I'm rearranging a few book shelves, I've come across a pile of the books by and about King that I haven't read in many years.

I should have a few "new" King quotes soon!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 04:56 PM
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7. Awesome....
"Perhaps what is required is for a small group of individuals to serve as a the fuse for the peaceful powder keg of inert citizens. Maybe the need is for a dozen individuals, including some who are “high profile,” to overturn the psychological tables in the temples in Washington, DC. Not to call people to Washington for a few hour picnic protest, where there are a few fiery speeches, and then people go home. But rather, to concentrate the poverty that the Machine is churning out into a Tent City. To have people hopeful enough that they will be invested in a movement that may result in incarceration for some. To revive the spirit of Martin Luther King. To bring the current of the growing “underclass”above ground."

:applause:


Thank you. :hi:

K&R

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:26 PM
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14. Ordinary citizens
need to make an extraordinary stance. There are not comfortable options available, that can possibly lead to positive change .... not on the level required to revive our constitutional democracy.

Thank you. As always, I both appreciate and enjoy your feed-back!
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:01 PM
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9. Your ideas consistently challenge my views on democracy, H20 Man.
Thank you!!

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:29 AM
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17. I hope that
it is a challenge in a positive way.

From time to time, some of our Friends on this forum make note that they take "time off" from DU. I've had to do that in the context of watching the news on television. For the past three or four days, I've pretty much avoided watching any.

Instead, I've been sitting out near my pond. My cousin (DUer "Mr. Baggins," who always reads DU, but rarely speaks) came up this weekend, and rebuilt our sweat lodge. A large branch had broken under the weight of the snow and ice, and smashed the top of the lodge.

Our foreign exchange student came out and helped him with the lodge. She also carried a large amount of fire wood, and helped this old man pick out the rocks we needed. Soon, my wife and daughter joined us; they brought out the water we needed.

Our younger daughter was in our house, with a friend spending the weekend with us. And neither of our sons came by the house to join us. But I was thinking about all of them during ceremony. And their cousins and classmates. All of these children, teens, and young adults. So full of life. And how they deserve something much better than what this society is delivering.

Part of that wonderful ceremony is to remind us that things like hot rocks and water are powerful. They can bring about a different state of consciousness. One can become aware of being "not so strong" and then "so strong" at almost the same time. Now, that is one of the best definitions of the strange situation we find ourselves in today in America, I think. And that is certainly the challenge we are facing.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:25 AM
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27. That sounds amazing...
when I am alone in nature it's so easy to go to a different place and be spiritually renewed.

When I need to "get away" it's nearly always time spent with our kids. Even just an evening playing Settlers of Catan (anything away from media) reminds their old mom that these kids are worth fighting for--as are everyone else's children. My beliefs aren't worth anything if they cannot be passed down and refined (made better, hopefully) and given a unique stamp by each of them. Time spent here (on this forum) is less time spent with them in that process.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:03 PM
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11. k&r
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:30 AM
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18. Thank you!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 08:30 PM
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15. VERY interesting ... THANKS
so much for posting this! :thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:42 AM
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20. I am pleased
to know that you read and enjoyed my OP.

Many years ago, when it was time for me to start speaking to students in classrooms about Native American & environmental issues, Onondaga Chief Oren Lyons reminded me that if one out of twenty students understood and appreciated the message, it was a success. That same goal holds for elementary school, high school, and college classrooms.

I've long considered DU -- at its best -- to be something of the old Irish "hedge schools," kind of hidden along the "information highway." Sometimes, when I read OP/threads here, I feel like I'm in a good university. Other times, I read OP/threads that are more like the "spit-wad fights" found in children's classrooms. I try -- usually, anyhow -- to contribute to more serious discussions. And so I thank you for reading and responding to my OP.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:35 AM
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19. recommend
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:19 AM
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26. Thank you.
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RT Atlanta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:46 AM
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21. Poor Peoples Campaign
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 08:47 AM by RT Atlanta
K&R, especially for the reference to Dr. King's plans for the summer of 1968... a thumbnail summary can be found here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People%27s_Campaign

As an aside, we're coming up on the sad anniversary of his murder.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:31 AM
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29. Thanks. That link
is appreciated.

That tragic anniversary presents a good opportunity for people to reflect upon King's message. This nation desperately needs people to think and act in the manner that Martin called for.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:52 AM
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22. Thanks.
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 08:52 AM by mmonk
I've been away and coming back and reading words of wisdom helps such as these. What seems daunting requires reflection and then pulling up the desire and will within. I think I'm ready for whatever it takes now. Thanks again.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:35 AM
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30. Might sound strange,
but for years now, I've had a feeling that you & I would some day share a jail cell. While I would prefer that we had the opportunity to sit near my pond and talk, I would be delighted to have the opportunity to "vacation" in DC with you. And that, of course, would provide us with more to talk about in the future.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:58 PM
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34. I am ready.
While I'd rather you see my lake house and the beauty of its surroundings and talk likewise, the vacation in D.C. suits me just fine. Just say when.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:56 AM
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23. I appreciate...


...your efforts at organizing the 'Democratic' left. And in reminding us of the history involved.

I'm looking forward to your interview with Tom Hayden who has been a hero of mine since I saw him speak at a Chicago 8 rally in southern California in '68 (I think). And I like the way you 'tiptoe' around this particular "underground". It's a fine line and you do it with style.

BTW, I became worried about him when he let JF get away.....but when she 'converted', I sorta understood. Wanna ask him....???

:hi:

.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:26 PM
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31. Thanks.
If I can contribute nothing else, I hope that my OPs suggest the possibility that there are many ways to view various conflicts -- including many that play out on this forum. Sometimes, those unexplored paths provide opportunities.

The Port Huron Statement still blows my mind. Not only that Hayden was so young when he authored such an articulate, insightful piece .... but that it is so relevant today.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:03 AM
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24. K & R
Excellent.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:26 PM
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32. Thanks, Friend.
I see that you also posted above, about communes. I'm going to respond to that in greater detail soon.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 09:29 AM
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28. Nice view for inner dialogue :)
I look forward to reading about your interview with Tom Hayden and agree it's time "to bring the current of the growing underclass above ground." I will happily join a new Democratic Left movement. Good luck to you H2O Man.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:04 PM
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33. Beautiful photo, profound thoughts. Thank you, H20 Man.
All I can say is, I`m not afraid.

I`ll speak up for the voiceless and lend a hand to those in need. I`ll speak out against bigots and take pleasure in small things. Nothing has changed with me in decades and I`m not going to start selling out now.

We need a few backbones, a few "fuses" of old-time Democratic principles and a few people that refuse to just nod and vote.
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