Teacher's Union: Students Bullying Teachers

[proud2BlibKansan]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/bakersfield-kero-24115453/teacher-s-union-students-bullying-teachers-24642399

[bluestateguy]

1. Some of the most violent offenders should be expelled

There is just no place for that, and such students need to be written off and cast out so that the teacher can teach and the other students can learn.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. suspension doesn't work

detentions, suspensions do not work with these kids. Once the teacher has lost control of them it is hard to get them back.

[LWolf]

5. The problem with that is this:

it automatically grows another generation of ignorance, which is harmful to the state of the nation overall.

When can a dysfunctional person be reached, and helped to a more functional life, if not now?

I agree that those who disrupt the opportunity for others to learn, those who interfere with maintaining a safe, respectful learning environment for all, should be removed.

But what to do with them? We need a comprehensive system in place to allow them to learn better responses to life. Otherwise we are simply tossing them out into a future of dysfunction and potential failure. We're helping to kill their potential to live a functional life.

We could start by addressing POVERTY. Not only would student achievement rise, but some of the home stresses that contribute to dysfunction would be relieved.

Universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health CARE, including mental health, would help to address some of those dysfunctions, as well.

A comprehensive parent-education policy to help change generational family dysfunctions that lead to anti-social behaviors.

And finally, after all those things are in place, something to hold parent's accountable for their children's behavior; either they accept help and participate in changing the causes of their childrens' dysfunctions, or they lose their children.

Edited to add:

I also would like to see changes in the system itself that allows this kind of dysfunction to thrive. In order to achieve that, though, the public has to be willing to invest care and resources into positive change, rather than delighting in scapegoating and "punishing" the system. Positive change doesn't happen under those circumstances, for individuals or for systems.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. But where do those kids go?

I don't want them on the streets. We need more alternative settings for them.

[LWolf]

2. Wait until students know that their behaviors and "achievement"

will determine their teachers' evaluations, pay, and job status.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. Classroom management and support from the principal and district

There should not be a situation where a child, no matter what age, should be allowed to bully a teacher. Good classroom management right from the start can keep even the worst children under control with the support of the principal and district. The problem is that teachers don't have any back up if they have to send the student to the office. There should be more admin staff to deal with behavior so that the teachers can actually teach. I don't think suspension works.

[1monster]

6. Wait till they start working together, tag teaming the teachers. That is

really difficult to counter. And infuriating is when a teacher sends a seriously misbehaving student to the dean only to have the dean send the student immediately back to the classroom. The students begin to think they are invincible and can get away with anything.

[madmom]

8. When I was in high school, oh so many years ago, we had in-school suspensions. Conducted pretty

much like study hall, no talking, and must be doing something constructive. The BIG difference was it was monitored by a police officer. I don't know if he was off duty or not, but he was in uniform. It seemed to work.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. You know the biggest difference, IMO?

Parents. They complain about discipline much more often today, when they were far more supportive in the past. In many schools and districts, a phone call from a parent causes a punishment to be reversed. Parents do need to be involved but they need to let the admins run the school.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. I was a kindergarten teacher in a daycare in 1984. A 4 year old boy did more than hit me.

He kicked me, tried to bite me, punched me, called me demeaning names. Just because he could.

At the time, NYC was going through a daycare scandal of child abuse, so I couldn't even restrain him.

I went to the Director for help and guidance. She called in his mother. The mother wasn't at all sympathetic or willing to say or do anything to help the situation. She thought that her son was "justified" in his actions as my "race" likely "aggravated" him.

I ended up resigning shortly after that. You can't teach with a kid hitting on you, literally.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. Sometimes the little ones are worse

Hard to explain though, isn't it?