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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:40 PM
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Yeah, Suck On This Teabaggers.
The Republicans’ Hispanic problem

If demographics is destiny, then Republicans may have a major political problem on their hands.

Why? Because numbers released by the Census Bureau late last week showed massive growth in the nation’s Hispanic population, a community that Republicans have struggled mightily to reach in recent years.

The numbers are eye-opening. Hispanics now account for more than 16 percent of the total population, making them the largest minority group in the country. More than half of all population growth in the United States over the past decade came from Hispanics. Perhaps most amazing is that nearly a quarter — 23 percent — of all children age 17 or younger are Latino.

That’s a major problem for Republicans, given that in the 2008 presidential election, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) — far from the GOP’s most ardent advocate of stricter immigration laws — won just 31 percent of the Hispanic vote, according to exit polls.

And if looking back is worrisome for GOP strategists, looking forward is downright frightening.

Of the nine states where the Hispanic population grew by 100 percent or more between 2000 and 2010, McCain won seven of them: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, South Dakota and Tennessee. That means that what had been reliably red states for decades are slowly — or not so slowly — seeing huge growth among what, for the moment, is a reliably Democratic constituency.

Add to that the fact that the four states with the country’s largest Hispanic population — California, Florida, New York and Texas — will account for 143 electoral votes for the next 10 years. That’s more than half of the electoral votes a candidate needs to be elected president. California and New York already are reliably Democratic, while Texas remains, for now, reliably Republican. Florida has been pivotal in the past three presidential elections and is likely to be again in 2012.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-republicans-hispanic-problem/2011/03/27/AFiMXokB_story.html





We know what you think about us. We know who's been shooting their big mouths off against us. We know what Arizona's racial profiling laws are about. We know who's been pushing for copy catting Arizona. We hear what you say about us on FAUX and Pig Boy's radio station. And you may have forgot, but, we haven't forgot what happened with the "Dream Act."

Yeah, we know how you feel about us. We'll remember that when we VOTE!
















Yeah we know exactly how your party feels about us














So do our children

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:43 PM
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1. The reconquest has started!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:51 AM
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6. Pretty soon we'll be speaking Mexican
:sarcasm:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:56 AM
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7. No, it's Latin, from Latin America.
Duh.


;)
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:13 AM
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11.  Olmec, N'ahutl, Mayan etc.?
I go for Mayan, my aunt looked very Mayan. The right wing-nuts do piss me off and also this photo ID crap for voting is bad, they are trying to get it in NM.
I liked your post!
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:06 PM
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30. My favorite second language... The language of love...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:53 PM
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2. I believe that the CA Hispanics have never gone Republican.
They certainly turned big time against Meg Whitman in our last gubernatorial election after her errors over her Hispanic housekeeper.

The Republicans are really schizophrenic regarding the Hispanic vote.

May it ever be so!

Recommended.

:kick:
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:58 PM
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3. I always have a hug for CaliforniaPeggy
:hug:


:)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:07 AM
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5. You are a sweetheart...
:hug:
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:08 PM
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18. Its the 20-30% of Latinos that vote repub are the ones I can't understand.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:15 PM
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20. IMO these are the Latinos who have a self image problem
Not uncommon to hear them say something like "I'm Spanish not Mexican" etc. But yeah there's always some people who'll be confused, but I think that percentage will drop after all this right wing public bashing on immigrants we've seen in recent years.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:07 PM
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25. huh?
maybe they say, "I'm HISPANIC', not Mexican because they're NOT FROM MEXICO?


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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:51 PM
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29. Yes
What I mentioned mzteris is accurate. There are some self loathing Mexicans who don't like to say they're Mexican. Depite their brown skin and that its easy to tell they're Mexican, they try to say they are Spanish. And it doesn't matter if its people who immigrated here or like me who have been here for many generations. No I'm referring to a small minority of people who feel (I guess) embarrassed of who they are.

There are other people who'll do the same thing. Another example is there are some Cubans who are Black, but, refuse to refer to themselves as Black. They'll say I am not Black I am Cuban. My guess is its just a normal human response of wanting to feel like you fit in to the social group, but, with some people its strong enough to identify with themselves as something closer to what they think is more accepted as opposed to who they are. I think its sad, but, to each their own.

Another example of this is myself. I am a Chicano (half Chichimec Mexican and half Mescalero Apache), but, I speak very little to no Spanish. A lot of Chicanos my age (mid 40's) are the same way. The reason why is very similar to what I pointed out above. Because parents back when I was a child wanted their children to fit in more, so they only spoke English around us kids. This is not uncommon at all with Chicanos my age.

eom.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:45 PM
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40. I ran into a lot of Mexican people like that in Utah in the '80s
Sad that it hasn't changed in almost 30 years.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 06:52 PM
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47. WHAT?
they have "brown skin" so they're MEXICAN? Are you kidding me??

Do you know how many people from Guatamala, Costa Rica, Dominica, Peru, Honduras, etc etc etc are here?

Most HISPANICS I know who are darker in color - NEVER refer to themselves as BLACK - they are HISPANIC. It is point of pride that they do not differentiate between the skin color - they are Hispanic. Period. It's ONE of the reasons I wanted my African American son to go to an immersion school because the COLOR of one's skin was NOT an "issue".

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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 07:47 PM
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48. You miss read what I posted
If you read it again you'll notice I said: "Despite their brown skin *AND* that its easy to tell they're Mexican". I have several friends from Central and South America. One of my previous girl friends was from Costa Rica and she can tell the difference.

So please don't misrepresent what I posted. It appears you're just knee jerk reacting because no where in my above posts did I ever say any hispanic person referring to themselves as black. Re read that part of my posts again because you're misreading that too. What I said was: "Another example is there are some Cubans who *ARE* Black, but, refuse to refer to themselves as Black. They'll say I am not Black I am Cuban.".

So again, please don't misrepresent what I wrote, and, there's no need for your knee jerk reaction because there's nothing I posted that I haven't posted from personal experience on many occasions throughout my 40+ years as a Mexican growing up in hispanic neighborhoods.

n/t
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:43 PM
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51. because they are CUBAN
Black is not a "race" as far as most Hispanics are concerned.

I'm sorry if maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but what you're posting just seems racist to me.

People should not be judged nor categorized by how much melanin they have!
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:39 PM
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46. I guess the more money you have, the more "spanish" you become
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 02:45 PM by demosincebirth
Growing up in the 50's I was the only Mexican among many Spaniards. this used to really piss my father off when people denied what they really were. I grew up in Oakland among many "spanish" eating refritos, rice and hand made corn tortillas
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:51 PM
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37. many vote republican because of religeon..n/t
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:18 PM
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49. Maybe the ones that join Pentecostal denominations do, but not Roman Catholics. They
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 10:24 PM by demosincebirth
are more liberal and aware of the inequities of life brought on be social injustices. They are conservative on many issues and many are strongly anti-abortion, but they know which side their bread is buttered on, not like the fundamentalist here in the U.S.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-11 11:58 PM
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4. And if Republicans succeed in deporting undocumented aliens it won't help them at all.
since the undocumented can't vote in elections anyway.
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Paka Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:46 PM
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28. Not in Rethugs reality.
Since they work so hard at stealing elections, they are convinced that it's the undocumented that are stealing it for the opposition. Too bad...:cry:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:31 AM
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8. K&R
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:37 AM
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9. The Emerging Democratic Majority from 2004 -- I guess they were right.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:11 PM
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19. I've been reading this story here in CA since the mid-70s.
The only difference is now, it's gone national.



lol
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:44 AM
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10. WaPo is publishing bad news for Republicans???
:wow:
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 06:15 AM
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13. The editorial board must have been sleeping off the binder thrown by the RNC
They missed it
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:18 AM
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12. Le SEASON FOR REASON IS UPON US...DOWN W HATE..UP W PARTY!!
Banner Head lines for thye followers of FUN303
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:08 AM
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14. Their strategy is doomed...
Hate your neighbor, he's black.
Hate your neighbor, she's Mexican.
Hate your neighbor, he's gay.
Hate your neighbor, she's Muslim.
Hate your neighbor, he's a Union man.

and now with adding the elderly,

Hate your neighbor, she's your mother.


Sorry Repukes, no more!!!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:41 PM
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39. Don't forget us Scuba
Republicans hate Asians too...Many Chinese, and other Asians became Democrats and Independents as of late. Many realized the Republicans had nothing to offer, other than their hate. Many elderly never used to vote all, because the attitude was, "What's the use?"...things have changed.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 04:55 AM
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43. Thanks. I'll not forget again. n/t
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:38 AM
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15. The GOP has a non-white people problem
and we know what they mean when they scream for "law and order". Let them laugh it up now, for in the next 40-60 years, they will no longer have the overwhelming majority. Those of us who have been the GOP's targets for decades will not forget.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 12:56 PM
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16. They really are the party of hate aren't they.
And they're hardly fooling anyone in this regard when they try to claim they're not or when they thinly veil their hate comments.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:16 PM
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36. you hate them,they hate you,there're only 2 parties,so hate wins everytime,& the bankers laff at all
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 01:07 PM
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17. That's why Marco Rubio's Tea Party creds are important to gop. He could run for P or VP.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:24 PM
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21. Won't matter a lick
They own the voting machines.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 05:00 PM
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23. You seem to be one of the few people who remember the
electronic voting machines. I kept on reminding the Dems. about it
over the years -- it didn't make much difference. They didn't seem to
care much. I'd probably still remind them again. Habit, I guess. :0
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 03:29 PM
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22. In my state, they want you to show your birth certificate to register to vote.
It's so obviously a "stop the illegal Latinos from voting" (oh, and the legal ones too), they don't even try to disguise it.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 05:08 PM
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24. Why do you think Repubs are stealing elections with caging and e-voting?
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 05:08 PM by arbusto_baboso
They KNOW that they'll lose the vast majority of honest elections, and that their problem will only get worse in the future.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:11 PM
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26. Texas is a "battleground state" though it will not be publicized so as to not make it happen
the relocation from Katrina (remember that?) and the increase in Latino population makes Texas very much in play. Hard to cover an expansive state like that especially when the conventional wisdom (read: don't make the effort) says otherwise but it will be in play.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 07:45 PM
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27. The Teabaggers are stupid
First, they started calling themselves "Teabaggers" without realizing the doble entendre behind the name. Now they have alienated 50 million people who will never vote for a GOPologist again.

They make Palin look like a Mensa.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:14 PM
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31. "...a community that Republicans have struggled mightily to reach in recent years"
:spray::rofl:
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:25 PM
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32. They'll just groom Rubio for 16
and put out a well $$$$$ campaign...no problem.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:51 PM
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34. Rubio will be elected in 2016. Bet on it. nt
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 08:46 PM
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33. Gee, do you maybe think white people should have been nicer to minorities?
Of course, THAT thought will never cross their teeny-tiny brains.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:11 PM
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35. You are making one huge mistake. With the unlimited funding by the oligarchs the choices for voters
regardless of their demographic, will be corporate ding vs. corporate dong. Any decent candidate will get the hatchet job by Karl Rove on steroids. And if that isnt enough, the elections will be stolen. The oligarchs have the money and the media and we havent come up with a plan to fight that.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 10:56 PM
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38. You're only partly right
Yes, they will go on overdrive against any Democrat: they have been doing so since Clinton. There is some evidence to suggest, however, that Hispanics may be resistant to this. Why? Because they have access to Spanish language press. The Internet exists, Spanish language newspapers and magazines are available for sale, and many communities now have Spanish language newspapers where before there were none. If you pick one up and read it, you'll be shocked. There are constantly stories about the fear and hatemongering by Republicans, and names are named. They are less vulnerable to the jingoistic appeals to patriotism that have been the hallmark of right-wing propaganda since time immemorial. Yes, they report high levels of religiosity, but they are less fervent about abortion and also are sensitive to the more progressive strands of social teachings within Roman Catholicism. Consistent with earlier waves of immigrants, they will probably vote solidly Democratic for a generation or more: the Republicans are constantly shooting themselves in the foot, and never seem to know if they ought to try to appeal to Hispanic voters or to demand their deportation. The party of Pete Wilson will not make any major inroads in the US Hispanic community for a long time, so long as there are Tancredos around to remind them.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:49 PM
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42. Where were they in 2010? nm
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:17 PM
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45. Electorates are different in different elections
You raise a good point: the electorate is different in every election. Political science has known this for a long time. We do know that older people are more likely to vote than the young, and even more likely to vote in midterm elections than the young. Since the Hispanic demographic skews young, this is in part responsible for this, but it is also true that Hispanics vote at lower rates even when you control for the independent effect of age.

The bad news for us in 2010 was that the midterm election was decided by the oldest, whitest electorate: the good news for the future is that demographic changes mean that 2010 was a high point, the oldest whitest electorate possible will not be possible in the future, especially in a presidential election year.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:45 PM
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50. Thank you. Very good point. nm
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 11:46 PM
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41. Texas Hispanics have all been democrats as long as I've been active in the party.
At the State Convention in 1958, Henry B. Gonzalez, Congressman, was nominated for Governor. He did not get the nomination, but my parents were delegates and they supported him.

The folks also said they had walkouts, fistfights and rump conventions!! The good old days of passion!! :rofl:

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 05:18 AM
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44. Not to mention the fact that.
... even "slow" Americans are catching on to the fact that reducing taxes on the rich and deregulating business does not create a vibrant economy. Polls show that most Americans blame the mess we're in on Republicans and rightly so.

Although the sock puppets are out in force trying to spin it otherwise.
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