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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:52 PM
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The New Yorker: Who are the Rebels?
John Lee Anderson wrote a thorough, tedious, mildly critical biography of Che Guevara. Here's his take.

Three of the world’s great armies have suddenly conspired to support a group of people in the coastal cities and towns of Libya, known, vaguely, as “the rebels.” Last month, Muammar Qaddafi, who combines a phantasmagorical sense of reality with an unbounded capacity for terror, appeared on television to say that the rebels were nothing more than Al Qaeda extremists, addled by hallucinogens slipped into their milk and Nescafé. President Obama, who is torn between the imperatives of rescuing Libyan innocents from slaughter and not falling into yet another prolonged war, described the same rebels rather differently: “people who are seeking a better way of life.”

During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.

And there are a few bearded religious men, more disciplined than the others, who appear intent on fighting at the dangerous tip of the advancing lines. It seems unlikely, however, that they represent Al Qaeda. I saw prayers being held on the front line at Ras Lanuf, but most of the fighters did not attend. One zealous-looking fighter at Brega acknowledged that he was a jihadi—a veteran of the Iraq war—but said that he welcomed U.S. involvement in Libya, because Qaddafi was a kafir, an unbeliever.


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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 02:59 PM
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1. A Good Piece, Sir: One Of The Best On the Topic At Present
Thank you for putting it up.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 03:18 PM
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2. "They range from street toughs to university students "
And of all ages and backgrounds. This man is clearly not a "young street tough" or university student:

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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:12 PM
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4. I share your skepticism
This operation reminds me a bit of Cuba in the 1960s.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:19 PM
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6. I wasn't expressing skepticism. I am saying that this is broader than we are sometimes
led to believe.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:32 PM
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7. Cuba did not have domestic "rebels" the US was supporting in '61.
The US had sponsored training and equipping of US and foreign based anti Castro "exiles" who were supporters of the Batista dictatorship (US control of Cuba).

The Bay of Pigs Revisited
http://history.eserver.org/bay-of-pigs.txt

If you're interested, my more general thesis is that the CIA purposely sabotaged
the invasion. The basis for this is a close reading of Operation Zapata, which
shows the following pattern:

1) The crucial D-Day dawn strikes were cancelled, supposedly by the president,
without the CIA attempting to consult the president directly.

2) The same strikes were made on D-Day evening, when it is too late, apparently
without consulting the president.

3) The crucial D+2 ammunition resupply convoy is stopped, without consulting the
president.

4) The resupply is attempted by air on D+2, when it is too late to be effective,
this time consulting with the president.




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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:08 PM
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3. I liked Scott's article, but he also doesn't buy the official JFK story
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:16 PM
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5. Good find
It takes a broader view.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-11 04:34 PM
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8. K&R
Interesting article

Thanks for posting
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