I don't think the government believes Manning is responsible for all those cables.

[Joanne98]

I think they believe there's someone else but they have no idea who it is. They are probably looking in the State Department for the cables leak. It only makes sense. A State Department employee would better understand the importance of them.

It's the way they're acting.

Wikileaks probably has hundreds of US leakers. They want to know who they all are even the commercial leaker that gave the banksters up. They KNOW that wasn't Manning.

This is a war against ALL leakers.

IMO

[Robb]

1. You think he's being made an example of? nt

[Joanne98]

4. Yeah and they're torturing him cause they think there's someone else.

They're trying to find out if he knows anything.

[Robb]

6. Do you mean, big-T-torture beyond the solitary confinement?

Or just the solitary? I still don't find it remarkable.

[Smarmie Doofus]

9. They're "medicating" him, whatever that means. In the 1970s...

US M$M was full of stories about the "barbaric" USSR security establishment which would institutionalize dissidents and troublemakers by "hospitalizing" and drugging them.


The rationale: you'd have to be nuts to object to the activities of the national security (USSR) state.

Real barbarians.... those Russian commies. Imagine... holding a political dissident in solitary and drugging him besides, to advance a government agenda: keeping state secrets from the general public.

[Joanne98]

14. No. I just mean solitary.

[TexasObserver]

13. Yes, they're torturing him because they want to know all he knows.

They're trying to break him down entirely, and it sounds as if they're doing a pretty good job.

Solitary confinement. No bedding. Chained. Sleep from 8 pm to 5 am. No sleep in between. Almost no human contact. No exercising in his cell.

These are torture, and they are designed to oppress the prisoner, who has not been found guilty of anything.

Anyone who doesn't see that needs to spent some time learning what human rights violations are, and why how a country treats its prisoners is how it will treat anyone who steps out of line.

[villager]

2. It's the war against the People -- to keep us infantilized and passive.

Those pillars are based on a) not letting us know the true story about anything (wars, elections, et al), and b) keeping us distracted with stuff.

B) is faltering, as the economy does, and they're terrified that A) may not be as "secure" as it once was, either...

[Autumn]

3. I tend to agree with you on that.

The amount of the cables and the variety of them, banks, diplomats, makes me think that there are many leakers. I hope there are legions of them.

[Joanne98]

5. Me too.

[pacalo]

7. I agree. The treatment of Bradley Manning is more than punitive.

[sabrina 1]

8. I agree. I think he leaked the Iraq War Logs

and the Afghanistan War Logs.

But the ones about to be released in January regarding the Banks, I think they had to be from someone else.

[Joanne98]

15. He did leak the war logs. He told someone he did and they turned him in.

[sabrina 1]

19. He told Lamo, the hacker whose own credibility

appears to be now in question. He has been charged with leaking classified material and specifically the helicopter video. But I cannot find anything other than Lamo's statements, that he has confessed to anything.

[90-percent]

10. difference

The difference between our governments treatment of Manning and Stalin's treatment of Russian citizens is only that of magnitude.

Part of the accelerating baby steps to America going full blown police state.

Thom Hartman mentioned on his excellent two part interview with Chris Hedges that Posse Comitatus is now inoperative. Nothing says totalitarian police state like turning your armed forces against your own citizens!

But the war on dandruff changed everything.

-90% jimmy

[Recursion]

11. I disagree; that was the point of SIPRnet

The whole reason that network was built was so that even low-level personnel with the correct clearance would have access to other agencies' documents. A DoS leaker would probably have weeded out the just "silly" documents (Qadaffi's buxom Ukrainian nurse, for instance).

[Joanne98]

16. I don'y know. If I were a State Department employee who wanted to get out

cables on a specfic incident and I didn't want them to trace it back to me. I would bury it in a bunch of other cables. Like hiding a needle in a haystack.

It could be someone, a diplomat even, that had been complaining about something and decided to get his case heard this way.

[Recursion]

18. I see your point; a sort of steganography

I can also see a logistic reason for how it went down. Manning (or whoever) had to grab whatever he could and put it on a physical USB stick as quickly as possible (if there actually was a physical drop-off in the US), which would probably make discrimination of the files you pick kind of difficult.

[EFerrari]

20. And even so, the cables reveal how over classified everything is.

That's just as important as any one revelation, imo.

When Conyers had his hearing on Wikileaks, even the Republicans started spitting when they talked about over classification and how hard it was to get the information they needed to do their own work.

[CoffeeCat]

12. One extraordinary consequence of there being...

...a Julian Assange--is that people who want to stop this corrupt, piece-of-shit,
anti-democracy government that we now have---have a place to hand over information
that exposes the criminals.

That's a beautiful thing, regarding Wikileaks.

You know damn well that not EVERYONE who knows about the neocons and their sick, perverted
warmongering and corporatist baloney---agrees with it. Some are playing along to keep
their jobs and power. Others are too terrified to do anything. At this point, the neocon
claws are entrenched and there's not a lot one person can do to challenge the system
from within.

However, due to Wikileaks and Assange--people can expose the rotting system.

I hope more and more brave souls come forward and leak all kinds of information. That's
really what our government is afraid of. That people now have an outlet for exposing
these criminals.

Seriously. This is our last hope. Either Wikileaks works as it is supposed to--and
our corrupt government, politicians and corporate partners in crime are exposed--or they
never will be and we continue to slide into Fascism.

[Joanne98]

17. The "wikileak drop boxes" are a brillant idea. No one knows who did it

not even Wikileaks. If Manning haven't told on himself he wouldn't have gotten caught.