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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 02:34 PM
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William Greider on Social Security: "What people want is a government that works for them."
"....But we haven't yet had an honest debate."


Trudy Lieberman at Columbia Journalism Review talks with longtime political reporter William Greider, on the subject of Social Security and the willful distortion of the program by the propagandist arm of the aristocrats, the mass media.


December 21, 2010



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WG: (Reporters) identify with the wisdom of the elites who don’t want to talk about this—because if people understand that Social Security has a $2.5 trillion surplus, building toward more than $4 trillion, people will ask why are politicians trying to cut Social Security benefits? .....
In the last twenty years, as media ownership became highly concentrated, the gulf between the governing elites, both in and out of government, and the broad range of ordinary citizens has gotten much worse. The press chose to side with the governing elites and look down on the citizenry as ignorant or irrational, greedy, or even nutty.

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TL: Let’s go back and put all this in the context of the press coverage of Social Security. What should the press be reporting that they haven’t been?

WG: Opponents of Social Security are deliberately confusing Social Security with Medicare; they are distorting reality. There are simple facts that should be reported: 1) Social Security never contributed a dime to the deficit; 2) Social Security softened the impact of the Reagan deficits by building up a surplus; 3) the federal government borrowed the money and spent it on other things; 4) the federal government has to pay this money back because it really belongs to the working people who paid their FICA deductions every pay day. The elites in both parties know the day is approaching when the federal government has to come up with the trillions it borrowed from the workers. That is the crisis the politicians don’t want to deal with, so they create a phony argument that slyly blames working people for their problem. That’s the propaganda they want the public to believe.

TL: What are the facts about Medicare that they should be reporting?

WG: Medicare is separate and in serious financial trouble for two basic reasons driving up costs. First, thanks to medical advances and the effective public health system, our aging population gets to live steadily longer. That ought to be understood as good news for people and society, but instead elite opinion laments it. Second, the private health-care system is still centered on the profit motive, and that gives virtually every health care provider from doctors to drug companies strong incentive to keep raising the costs. That debate has also been grossly distorted in media coverage that typically dismisses alternatives as socialist—and that ends the discussion.

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WG: Social Security is by far the government’s most popular program precisely because it is universal. Everyone pays in; everyone is protected against catastrophe. The danger in means testing is that it really may turn Social Security into a welfare program—alms for the poor—and eventually doom it by destroying the broad political support it enjoys. That’s another aspect for debate the media has glossed over.

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Many more illuminating answers in this interview.


Again, we are reminded of the abject failure of the media to articulate properly these crucial facts to the American people. And what we have instead is an increasing, unchecked threat from those in power against the viability of the most successful social program in our history.

We have a long way to go to correct these systemic ills.


As long as we the people are continually shut out of the process that now only serves the wealthy elite, we will not be successful as a nation.







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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 03:00 PM
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1. As he said, Social Security never contributed one dime to the deficit.
It belongs to the people who paid their FICA deductions, yet the government borrowed trillions of it to pay for other things, & they know the time is coming when people of good faith are going to collect.

What is the government to do when it has a trillion-dollar deficit & is spending wildly on wars it can't afford? Hanker down on domestic security, take from the vulnerable, & lie to the people about why we can't have our full Social Security benefits, hoping we'll buy their spin & won't get out in the streets in revolt.

I'm looking forward to the SOTU speech.



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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 03:28 PM
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3. I too am looking forward to the SOTU.
If the president does tip his hat towards SS cuts, many people here will have a lot of excuses to make.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 03:25 PM
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2. "...a government that works fror them." Now there's a novel idea! K&R
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 03:33 PM
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4. K&R
Thanks for posting this
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:27 PM
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15. another kick and another thanks for posting
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 04:00 PM
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5. The media wildly contort themselves to avoid reporting the truth about Social Security.
It tamps down any discussion and leaves much of the public in the dark about the coming assault on Social Security.

This deliberately sets the stage to "reform entitlements", as we should anticipate hearing about in the State of the Union Address in a few weeks.

Because the people have, for their entire working lives, responsibly paid into the Social Security fund for their own retirement years, and expect to collect their benefits when that time comes, those in power want to steal it. They have for decades. Now a Democratic president is fighting with the avowed enemies of Social Security to dismantle it.


It will be the last straw for many.



More of the interview with William Greider and Trudy Lieberman at Columbia Journalism Review:


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TL: Why hasn’t the press talked about Social Security as social insurance?

WG: My guess is that very few reporters understand what it is, or know that the concept of social insurance originated as a conservative idea—conserving social solidarity. It was first proposed more than one hundred years ago in Germany by Bismarck—not exactly a left-winger. Today’s critics style it as an entitlement program, and therefore reporters think that it’s like welfare. It’s not something the government gives to greedy old people. Alan Simpson has been relentless on this point. The press has picked up on Simpson’s language and made it sound like it’s a hand-out.
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The idea of social solidarity represents the core of our society. The belief that we’re all in this together has been trampled over in the last thirty years by conservative ideology. Good citizens and politicians have been sucked into believing that solidarity is not the issue. Until Americans rediscover the importance of solidarity, we’re going to be screwed up as a society. We will be trapped in brutal class conflicts and arguments over who gets more, who must be thrown over the side in the interest of business efficiency. I believe deeply most Americans do not want this dog-eat-dog brutality, but do not see much chance of changing it.




TL: What has to happen?

WG: We have to have a come back to this central principle of this society. The Tea Party in its own crude way is reaching for it. What people want is a government that works for them. Social Security is a great test case for what people want. By all means, let’s have a debate. But we haven’t yet had an honest debate.

TL: What can the press do to improve its reporting on Social Security and make this debate happen?

WG: There are a lot of smart, capable reporters. They have to go back to the beginning and put a story together that asks two simple questions: Why go after Social Security now? What is its real condition now? They need to go back to the basics of reporting—talking and listening, observing what people think about everyday reality. Talk to all sides respectfully. On economic issues, talk to the workers, not just the bosses and management experts. You will learn valuable insights from all of them.

TL: Is there any other advice you can give to newbies on this beat?

WG: The media, despite many virtues, are failing their obligations to a functioning democracy. Reporters might ask themselves if they are complicit in this indictment, or if they could do something to prove it is wrong.




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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 04:54 PM
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7. Another good point: the media should be talking to workers on economic issues,
not just the corporations & CEOs.

And it's just pure ignorance when the media enables the notion that SS is a freebie & that those who expect it are greedy. Am I greedy when I withdraw money from my savings account?! Using Alan Simpson's twisted logic, I would be. I can't believe that horrible man was chosen to decide what cuts will be made; has he mentioned cutting out wars?
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:17 AM
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10. We need to mobilize DU and everyone we can to call the White House
and let them know what a disaster any cuts to Social Security would be. If the corporatists can put the pressure on, so can we:

Phone Numbers
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461

Send an email:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 04:20 PM
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6. recommend
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 08:05 PM
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8. I'm a little in awe of Republicans ability to shape consensus.
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 08:08 PM by pa28
They've turned a false narrative about SS into the conventional wisdom and the conventional wisdom is always the best wisdom among inside the bubble punditocracy.

I have to disagree with Greider about the public being generally aware of this "big lie" though. I'm always stunned when I hear people talk about SS in the same loaded terms as Republicans have been using about it for years. "Ponzi Scheme", "SS is broke", "It's exploding the deficit", "100 trillion unfunded liability", "worthless IOU's" etc. etc. They've won the PR war even though all the common conclusions reported as truth and repeated ad-nauseum are factually wrong.

The public has bought the story just as the "very serious" Democrats and media elites have. It's an ideal time for Republicans to strike hard at the program and realize their long term dreams. I'd be very surprised if they did not reject the modest Simpson commission cuts and instead demand a package that included privatization.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:19 AM
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11. I think people may tend to believe the lies, but if you ask them if they want it cut, there is a
resounding hell no! This leads me to believe with a really good education campaign, we could try to change this. It'll be hard since we don't have billions, but the public supports a strong Social Security system.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:47 AM
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9. K & R
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:11 PM
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12. I think Mr. Greider is correct & he frames the discussion well.
K&R
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 12:17 PM
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13. K&R ! //nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:21 PM
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14. ''Social Security never contributed a dime to the deficit.''
Profound way of putting it.

The elites in both parties know the day is approaching when the federal government has to come up with the trillions it borrowed from the workers. That is the crisis the politicians don’t want to deal with, so they create a phony argument that slyly blames working people for their problem. That’s the propaganda they want the public to believe.

Thank you, seafan, for the heads-up on Greider's latest and an excellent thread. I used that line at a dinner party last night. You should've seen the GOPer boys' jaws drop in unison.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:01 PM
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19. Right wing would fall immediately if we actually had a free press challenging them ...!!
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 01:41 PM
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16. most people don't realize that the
government stole (borrowed) our money. now that the time is nearing when they should (but won't) pay it back they're talking about cuts and raising the retirement age.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:30 PM
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17. Anything to head off the day of reckoning when the robbers have to pay our SS money back.
And they'll do it by roadblocking people's access to those Social Security funds by:

1. Raising the retirement age to delay people's access to it.

2. Cutting back benefits paid out to people, so less money is paid out.

3. Privatizing it, so when it all goes bust in the Wall Street Casino, the robbers can throw up their hands and say, "Well, sh*t happens when you're a poor investor. Sorry, suckers."


These criminal bastards have stolen our Social Security money to finance their wars and tax cuts and now they are scheming to legalize what they have done by claiming that the Treasury bonds that the Social Security fund now holds are *worthless pieces of paper* as they follow the game plan listed above. The wild card now is that this president is now playing on their team.


These bastards better start running, because we the people are coming for them.










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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:00 PM
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18. Wm. Greider is another who could run for Pres under the Dem label ....
I'd love to see it!!

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