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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:41 AM
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Japan is NOT on "Maximum Nuclear Alert" according to BBC or anyone.
I just wanted to clear that up.

No where does it say that the PM of Japan declared that Japan is at "Maximum Nuclear Alert".

He never said it. It is a mistranslation and if you read the BBC's article, even THEY aren't saying he said it.

He more or less said that they are maintaining maximum alertness.

I am not downplaying the seriousness of the situation but am clearing up what seems to be a misinterpretation.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:48 AM
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1. It's gone viral - PBS, MSNBC, Voice of America, Deutsche Welle etc. say the same thing
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 09:50 AM by jpak
from Deutsche Welle...

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6486809,00.html

<snip>

Naoto Kan said he was seeking advice on such a step, as widening an evacuation zone would force 130,000 people to move in addition to 70,000 who are already displaced. Kan has said the situation at the coastal atomic power station remained "unpredictable" and pledged his government would "tackle the problem while in a state of maximum alert."

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:56 AM
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3. Well then at least the DU members here can be better informed.
Presumably here in Japan, we would have SOMEONE in the media repeating that the Prime Minster of the country told the rest of the world that we are now on "Maximum Nuclear Alert", but there is no such report.

For everyone's info, if you want to check, the Japanese word for "Alert" would be "keikoku" (警告). I encourage anyone interested to go to google japan and type in

日本 + 警告 (Japan and alert) = Don't forget to hit the "News" tab.

here is the link to google Japan

http://www.google.co.jp/

Here are the results of such a search:

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&biw=1433&bih=920&tbm=nws&q=%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC+%E8%AD%A6%E5%91%8A&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=


There is no ALERT being issued by Japan. Kan simply said Japan is on alert (aka "being vigilant")

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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:05 AM
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7. I think that you have it. It's more maximum vigilance. n/t
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:50 AM
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2. are they waiting for something worse than plutonium to go to high alert?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:58 AM
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4. Is there such a thing as "High Alert" as in a "National Status Alert"?
Are you not getting confused with America's bullshit "War on Terror" "Homeland Security Alert"?

Everyone is already on fucking alert. We are watching the news, watching numbers every day.

130 countries are helping Japan. Everyone is already ON alert as much as they can be.

So why are you so interested in spreading the meme that Japan is covering things up and waiting for something?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:09 AM
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12. If they're not on maximum alert maybe they should be
especially concerning the smoke containing plutonium coming out of No.3 that could head towards millions of people

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:18 AM
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20. Not disagreeing with that. nt
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:03 AM
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5. Probably there's a good deal lost in translation.
The following is from the link. The 'tackle the problem while in a state of maximum alert' was said in Japanese and translated. Another translation could be: We will continue to give our utmost effort, as we tackle this unpredictable problem.

There's nothing on NHK to indicate any increased alerts, but the situation remains bad.

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Some opposition lawmakers lambasted Japanese Prime Minister in parliament for his handling of the disaster and for not widening the exclusion zone around the plant.

Naoto Kan said he was seeking advice on such a step, as widening an evacuation zone would force 130,000 people to move in addition to 70,000 who are already displaced. Kan has said the situation at the coastal atomic power station remained "unpredictable" and pledged his government would "tackle the problem while in a state of maximum alert."

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:04 AM
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6. Exactly and that is all I am saying. nt
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:09 AM
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11. Lost in translation. Thanks for clearing it up Bonobo and godai! n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:07 AM
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8. Not what I'm reading....
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:11 AM
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14. 'Maximum nuclear alert' gets 1 hit. "Maximum alert' on nuclear crisis gets 34 million hits.
Japan is on maximum alert for several crises. The term 'maximum nuclear alert' has not been used by the Japanese PM.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:14 AM
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15. Plus those are all mistranslations that propogated.
Godai and I speak Japanese and are searching in Japanese.

You understand?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:33 PM
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58. Nor has it been used by anyone else. This alert certainly relates
to the nuclear disaster and to say it doesn't is simply wrong.

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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:07 AM
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9. Really do not get the point of this thread
Ok the Japanese prime minister did not say they are not maximum nuclear alert but they are on maximum alert anyway. Now why try to make a big deal out of a lost translation?

Must be a slow news day.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:15 AM
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16. Huh? What? No, they are not on maximum alert. What don't you get?
Maybe if you read it again?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:20 AM
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21. Whether they are on maximum alert or not does not make any difference
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:28 AM
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24. You mean from the chair you are sitting at 5,000 miles away?
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 10:28 AM by Bonobo
Yeah, to you it doesn't make a difference that a false headline is spreading through the media.

To us in Japan it matters.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:47 AM
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29. So the plutonium found on soil of plant or the high radiation water outside does not matter?
But some announcement of a maximum nuclear alert does make all the difference in the world?

I can see you are back to your old form of speaking on behalf of all Japanese.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:52 AM
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32. What a lame attempt to put words in my mouth.
You think I don't care about the situation? That's fine.

But the fact that you are arguing against an OP that is correcting a mistaken headline saying that Japan has declared a "Maximum Nuclear Alert" shows where YOU are at --and it is not a good place.

Answer this question: WHY do you have a problem with this OP? Do you not see that there is a good reason to know when Japan has actually declared such an alert and not know it?

You are actually arguing against the truth and you are fighting on the side of false alerts and arguing for spreading false info.

Is that what you mean to do?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:07 AM
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37. I do not have a problem with your OP, I just do not think it makes any difference
No maximum alert or Maximum alert those plants are leaking highly radioactive material and there is so much unknown going on. I read the maximum nuclear alert headline earlier in the day and thought to myself well what difference does that make or why is this news.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:07 AM
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10. Bonobo - a suggestion
Why not call the city office or go to the nearest police box and ask if the have an alert system that you should know about. I haven't heard anything about the subject of the OP but it occurred to me when I read your post that there is probably a system in place that has specific terms it would be good to be familiar with on general principle.

Stay safe.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:16 AM
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17. Kristopher. Just look at the Japanese news.
Kan did not declare any kind of national alert or otherwise.

It just didn't happen.

It's a mistranslation.

That's all there is to it.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:59 AM
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43. I said it had nothing to do with that. Do you know what alert system they use?
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 12:01 PM by kristopher
If you don't you should. That was the point.

An added benefit would be that if you did, then you could have easily pointed out that the verbiage didn't match.

In spite of your terse reply - stay safe.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 08:51 PM
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80. Alert systems.
TV, radio, internet.

On my island there is a big loudspeaker.

Also, I am a fireman here, so it would come through that system too.

As for a big media-hyped national "Homeland Security Level", I don't think there is one.

Hell, I learn about when a kid falls off his bike within minutes so I am not concerned about some other alert system of the big-media type.

Information is readily shared and easily obtained here.

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:09 AM
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13. Japan NOT on "Maximum Nuclear Alert"?
Oh what a disappointment to so many here on DU.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:17 AM
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18. It seems to be. I am getting arguments, anger and unrecs for this.
Can you figure THAT out for me?

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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:25 AM
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22. To unrecommend would be strange.
Many posters don't realize that you're in Japan. The unrecs are telling. You're interfering with their spin.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:59 AM
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35. Republicans like Nuclear power, Democrats therefor don't.
Or vice versa. Anyway on this subject because of our emotions, facts don't seem to matter so much to so many.
Things like wind, which is a energy negative compared to coal, will/can power the United States. Yeah, sure it will.
Or ethanol, which uses land we need for food crops to make fuel that uses almost as much energy from oil to make, to replace that oil for fuel. How's that supposed to work?

There is no other compact energy source as Nuclear on the horizon that can even come close to supplying our energy needs. It is because of the concentrated energy in nuclear power that makes it so hard to work with.

If we as a species don't get our act together, first the oil will run out, then the coal and then we will find out that 'renewables' aren't really up to the job for any large scale energy needs. Renewables may be fine for home and offices, but not heavy industry. Then we will be screwed.
Nuclear can supply that power.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:05 AM
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36. Well I'm certainly not a supporter of nuclear power.
I am just trying to clear up the confusion on this "Alert issue".
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
81. ganbatte kudasai Bonobo san!
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 08:58 PM by AsahinaKimi
o Genki de!! :hug:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:28 PM
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56. They want the accident to be bad, at the expense of the Japanese people...
... because it "proves" they were "right" in their rejection of nuclear power.

The mess at the nuclear plants will be very expensive to clean up and there will be long term health consequences for some people.

But the tsunami itself was the much greater catastrophe.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:31 PM
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57. exactly and indeed. Here is a post-tsunami home recovery picture, my heart breaks.


Reiko Kikuta, right, and her husband Takeshi Kikuta stand on the port as workers attempt to attach ropes to their submerged home on Oshima Island in northeastern Japan Monday.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:18 AM
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:26 AM
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23. K&R. Facts are good...nt
Sid
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:29 AM
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25. kicked and recommended for you...
This is important--when a REAL maximum alert is issued by the Japanese gov't it needs to be taken very seriously. These hyped-up mistranslations need to stop because it's only going to put lives in danger when the situation has actually risen to that level.

Thanks for common sense, bonobo.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:33 AM
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26. And THANK YOU for understanding EXACTLY what I am talking about! nt
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:17 PM
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45. I am sorry that you are being misunderstood...
but it seems that some people refuse to accept facts which don't fit with their personal outlook.

IMO you should just ignore them because they aren't likely to change, but continue to post corrections (as you just did) for those of us who want the facts.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:36 AM
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27. Yes, I get all that, but what about
Dr. Josef Oehman?

Where does he come down on this question?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:43 AM
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28. What does that have to do with correcting a false headline?
The guy was wrong. What do you want from me about that now?

You think you get internet chat room points that you can trade in for a bumper sticker or something?
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:50 AM
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30. "You think you get internet chat room points that you can trade in for a bumper sticker or something
No, but I sure feel sorry for you.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:54 AM
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33. Well that, at least, is appreciated.
I don't know why you felt the need to jab me with the Oelman needle then.

It came off as way snarky.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:51 AM
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31. So you feel
you have all the information you need at present from the Japanese government and the utility co? You don't question it and you have full confidence?

If so, is American skepticism (and willingness to believe the worst) based on the fact that we expect to be lied to by our own authorities?

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:57 AM
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34. Well, perhaps no and then yes to your questions.
The point and only point of this OP is written very clearly in the OP itself.

That if you read a headline that says that the PM of Japan has declared Japan at "Maximum Nuclear Alert", it is a mistranslation.

If we do ever reach such a thing, it would be best to understand that it has not been declared yet.

I read the news in Japanese and I know that he has not put the country on such an alert.

I watch the TV here as well. No such alert has been made.

I am informing the DU community of that, that's all.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:15 AM
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38.  since you are in Japan
and therefore would be expected to know more about this than most of us, do you think the public in Japan has been adequately informed? Your topic DOES bring up the question of what is being said by authorities and how much of it can be trusted.

Otherwise, why would it matter what he said?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:30 AM
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40. Generally I think we are getting the facts, yes.
But that has to be weighed with a certain degree of commonsense at all times because it is equally clear that they do not want people to panic.

So they are walking a razor's edge.

But the razor's edge is real.

Tokyo is on the razor's edge and with it, probably Japan.

If everyone decided that they had to flee one day, there will be massive, massive problems. Massive.

Is it necessary for everyone to flee right now? No, I really don't think so. And it is also impossible for everyone to flee.

Japan must survive. The people here must live decent lives. All these things must be weighed.

It is not as simple as people on DU make it, where if you don't admit that Japan and the world are ending, you are suddenly a liar with no credibility and who supports the death of babies by nuclear radiation....

I live in Japan. I love and support Japan and I am staying. Japan survived America's 2 nuclear bombs and having 67 cities destroyed by fire-bombing. We HAVE been through worse. We will survive this and fight back and overcome it.

The reason it matters what he said is that if there really WAS a declared "Maximum Nuclear Emergency", I guess it would mean something that we should know about here. Maybe cover the windows with duct tape, I don't know. The only point of my OP is that no such Maximum alert was declared.

It's not that complicated.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #40
53. Thanks--your view is encouraging
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 01:46 PM by marions ghost
and I'm glad to hear you say you feel you are getting the facts. You in Japan have many supporters here and I don't think most DUers are the type to say or wish that Japan and the world are ending. That's WAY over the top. I think most DUers are identifying with the people of Japan to the point of sharing the razor's edge with you, praying and hoping and paying close attention.

IF the leaders did declare a "Maximum Nuclear Emergency" do you think people would just "cover the windows with duct tape?" I don't--I think certain types of people would panic. Which is why I think that it never would be stated that way if it actually did happen.

I know that Japan will fight back. That is not in question. But it comes down to the moral/ethical issue--should populations anywhere have to suffer a nuclear disaster like a bunch of cockroaches that can't be killed? Should people anywhere have to live in fear of this dangerous technology going out of control? We all live downwind. The situation has already gone too far not to call it gross criminal negligence. I hope at least that Japan will get out of nuclear power as a result of this.

Thanks for your POV Bonobo. It's helpful to know how people are feeling there. We get so little real information here. And I agree the hyper soundbites we do get don't help the situation. But don't say we are wishing for "the maximum" to happen. That's just crazy.
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SpoonFed Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:58 PM
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66. um...

"I live in Japan. I love and support Japan and I am staying. Japan survived America's 2 nuclear bombs and having 67 cities destroyed by fire-bombing. We HAVE been through worse. We will survive this and fight back and overcome it."

Are you Japanese, or an ex-pat living in Japan?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #34
39. The problem is you are not telling most DU'ers what they want to hear.
From what I have been reading around here, if there were 6 Chernobyl's in northern Japan, a lot of DU'ers would be smugly happy at the destruction. It would feed their Nuclear is bad mind set.
Never mind the people, never mind the real cause, the tsunami swamping out the emergency generators. Never mind reality! The 10,000+ people dead are very seldom mentioned around here, the tsunami even less as the real cause of the problem in the first place. Naa, it is nuclear, so therefore it is bad. Everything else pales in comparison, no matter how bad the everything else may be.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. Is it too much to ask for a link to this assertion?
"From what I have been reading around here, if there were 6 Chernobyl's in northern Japan, a lot of DU'ers would be smugly happy at the destruction..."

We here in the US know the cause, the quake/tsunami. The reality you cite of the tsunami swamping out the emergency generators is not in question. That is past, there is nothing apparently that we can do about that now.

Why TEPCO was allowed to build this multiple set of reactors on that location without adequate planning for a disaster of this magnitude puts in question all of their other assertions being put forth every single day during this crisis.

Or haven't you been paying attention? Want links to all the authorities around the globe calling for more timely, accurate information they are not receiving from TEPCO and the government?

We are not trying to validate any nuclear position pro or con here with our concerns. We have the future to worry about, as reports of "minimal radiation," being detected all over the US, and we are reassured nothing to worry about. The situation with the MOX rods and the leak of the cooling water and the location of that relief trench to the ocean, the possibility of a chain reaction explosion still possible there in one or more of the reactor cores, these are our concerns and the fact that the authorities have a track record of not coming forth timely with now rather important details. Radiation doesn't go anywhere. If you get irradiated, it does not dissipate when in your bones. It is cumulative.

No one said the underlying problem with the Japan disaster "was nuclear therefore bad," as you assert, it is just that nothing has occurred to assuage fears during this spectacle of the crisis growing larger day by day.

We cannot change what has happened and excuse us for being concerned about the future, you know, that place we will all be in a week or so. Having been tossed around this way and that by the nuclear industry you seem so eager to root for, excuse me if I stay concerned for my own safety in this mess, living on the west coast. If something happens, I want to know about it right away.

Sorry if you think that makes us all "nuclear is bad," mindset members unlike you. You go, your proud and loud self.

Have a sunny day now, y'all.



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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:25 PM
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46. +++++
thank you
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #41
63. Since providing a link is a violation of DU rules - YES, it is asking too much.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #39
49. So, no link yet to your assertion?
"From what I have been reading around here, if there were 6 Chernobyl's in northern Japan, a lot of DU'ers would be smugly happy at the destruction..."

You asserted this and now won't back it up.

Don't look now but your bias is showing.

Give to Japan relief funds. At least we can help the survivors, even if we cannot guarantee the safety of the survivors or for what the future holds. You know, I was in the '89 Loma Prieta earthquake here in the Bay Area, on the bridge at 5:04 when it hit. I was on a bus, and luckily I got off the bridge, but that calamity did show me the strength and resiliance of the folks here in NorCal. Everyone pitched in, everyone was on the same page, and government was our friend. I can only imagine the terror of being a Tokyo resident right now, experiencing the aftershocks and wondering if the government is lying about the crisis to avoid panic or not. We got lucky here in the Bay Area that no nuke plant was destroyed nearby as has happened in Japan. It is an international issue for sure, so don't try to eliminate our concerns in light of ongoing misinformation emanating from the "authorities," in Japan.

Criticize all you want about over-reactions by DUers living in the US, but show me where someone at DU claimed what you asserted.

Otherwise, please retract that statement from your post.

Thanks in advance.


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:56 PM
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50. Do you seriously believe there aren't ghouls on DU who are hoping for the worst?
He doesn't need to back up that opinion as we are all permitted to have opinions.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:15 PM
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:02 PM
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51. "a lot of DU'ers would be smugly happy at the destruction."
happy horseshit

:thumbsdown:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:12 PM
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54. +++++agreed
insulting garbage
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:40 PM
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62. ----- not agreed. It's true.
There are several ghouls here who are unsatisfied with the thinnest sliver of good news when it happens, who will not accept accept any positive turn of events, will not allow for any outcome short of the worst possible scenario.

Obviously, it pleases them.

Peruse the threads to find them, as you very likely know damn well DU rules prohibit me from providing you examples or links.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:43 PM
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64. So put the few "ghouls" on ignore
there always will be ghouls dontcha know. They only represent themselves, not DU.

:shrug:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:49 PM
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65. I don't put people on ignore. It's a defense mechanism for the childish, kind of like GWB
and his little echo chamber of fools, imo.

Booooo Hooooo..... I don't like your words. Instead of hearing them I'm going to pretend you don't exist.


You find one place where I said anybody "represented DU" and you might have some kind of coherent point. But I didn't. So you don't.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:32 PM
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47. So you feel that the foreign press is more accurately reporting what the
Japanese PM said on Japanese national TV than the Japanese national TV itself? Huh?

What does your question have to do with Bonobo's OP?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:37 PM
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60. Oh no
I would never take up for the press these days. We are all in the position of having to make up our minds for ourselves. Hence discussion & research rather than just passive reception of any news media.

So--living in this space of self-education on world events and lack of trust of authorities--when someone who is in Japan has a strong POV on this, there are questions that come to mind. We are getting virtually no news of how the Japanese people are feeling about the nuke disaster over here. Not that the tsunami doesn't deserve all the coverage it gets.

I guess I am saying--if it is unlikely that "Maximum Nuclear Alert" would ever be declared in Japan (I agree, it won't because of panic)--then is this a morally defensible position for the nuclear industry?
It's insulting for anyone to argue FOR nuclear power in the face of what Japan is going through, even if it never got any "worse" than it is now. (Given that we don't know how bad it is).

Read my post 53 for further answer to your Q.

mg
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:00 PM
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67. you're getting "no news" because you're not looking for it or don't know where to look for it.
"the japanese," contrary to the western stereotype, aren't a monolith. their range of feelings is going to be pretty much similar to the range you'd find in the us, from what-me-worry types to doomsters to everything in-between.

i have no idea what the rest of your post is even about. bonobo posted to correct the mistaken impression that some kind of official state of alert had been declared. Why some feel called to make it about something else I will never understand.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:11 PM
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68. OK
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 02:16 PM by marions ghost
where should I look for the news, then? Why do we not see or hear what people (regular people) in Japan are thinking, feeling, saying? I understand they "have the same emotions" (duh)--but why don't we see them expressing it? All we get are confusing snippets about the state of the reactors. Tell me where to look, please. You seem to know. Links?

"Some" feel called to discuss the issues and questions about how the media (there and here) are handling the situation. That is what the OP's post is about IMO. Can I not interpret and extend the discussion? (Especially given the lack of dependable information from the media, which I agree with the OP about. It's not dependable in the US--so is it in Japan? The OP said yes and that is helpful).

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:14 PM
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69. The OP was to correct a mistranslation. Not to "discuss how the media is handling the situation"
If you care to do that, why don't you start a topic on it rather than hijacking an attempt to clear up a mistranslation?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:37 PM
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73. relax
:hug: you hated those essay questions where the teacher said "Blah blah blah--Discuss" --didn't ya?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:24 PM
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70. start here:
nhk world: there is regular english-language video on the right translating japanese programming.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.html

asahi english:

http://www.asahi.com/english/

mainichi english:

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/

yomiuri english:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:31 PM
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71. thank you very much
I will look at the links
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:40 PM
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74. btw, bonobo, art from ark are in japan & have japanese spouses.
they both work in japan as well. art is a long-time resident.

kristopher is in the us & has a japanese spouse & was a long-time resident.

there are a couple of other posters living in japan as well; i don't know their specific situations.

you can get an idea of the range of japanese feelings about what's happening just from reading their posts, actually.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:44 PM
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75. really helpful
got it and thank you Hannah Bell
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:52 PM
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76. art from ark actually lives relatively near the nuclear facility -- in ibaraki prefecture, the next
prefecture south of fukushima prefecture.

closer than tokyo, which is in its own prefecture south of ibaraki.


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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:06 PM
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77. excellent map, very clear
OK I see the geography now (finally).

Thank you all in Japan for posting here and helping us understand this.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 08:45 PM
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79. +100
thanks Hannah
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:53 AM
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42. Thanks, had to read the bbc article to figure out wtf they were saying. Gvt SHOULD be on
max alert but it is far different from "Japan is on max alert" or "Fukushima on max alert", etc.

Thanks for the attempt. I saw the other thread first, opened it and yours to read what they were saying.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:17 PM
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44. kr
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 12:33 PM
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48. You are giving mis-information about the BBC article.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 12:40 PM by sabrina 1
They definitely DO say the Japanese PM said it:

Japan nuclear: PM Naoto Kan signals 'maximum alert'

Directly from the article:

Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan has said his government is in a state of maximum alert over the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant.


And they quote him as saying they are operating in a state of 'maximum alert':

The government "will tackle the problem while in a state of maximum alert", he said, adding that he was seeking advice on whether to extend the evacuation zone around the plant.

Meanwhile National Strategy Minister Koichiro Gemba said the government could consider temporarily nationalising Tepco, the company running the plant.


I think you need to fix your OP. The BBC clearly does claim that the PM made that statement.

If it was a mis-translation I would expect to see a retraction from the BBC.

But you are wrong to say the BBC did not say it.

Edited to say, you changed the sequence of the words used in the headline to 'maximum nuclear alert' rather than what they actually did say 'maximum alert' referring to what?? A nuclear possible disaster.

Now, maybe he meant the obvious, the are at maximum alert as the situation continues to worsen. But that is playing with words, imo.

Let's see if the BBC retracts the story. So far, they have not as far as I know.



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SoulSearcher Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:06 PM
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52. guessing the half-life of the radiation lasts longer ..
than the news stories about it though.

Hoping for the best
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:34 PM
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59. Thank you bonobo for doing right thing here consistently. Information without the DRAMA, hysteria or
the selfish, incessantly deranged need to make this tragedy about themselves in order to stroke their need for disaster-porn and screech their "I TOLD YOU SO"s and "WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEE???"

Too many here have disaster-envy and absolutely NEED this to be about themselves, in the US. It is not. Too many others are perfectly comfortable standing upon the corpses of the cherished loved ones of Japan, even as she continues to bury her dead, to promote a point of view by any means necessary - especially by the malicious spread of baseless and/or useless crap they call "information."

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 01:39 PM
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61. BS
:silly:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 02:36 PM
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72. I just heard the anchor say it on Al Jazeera English.
Japan's prime minister says the country remains on "maximum alert" as authorities struggle to bring a nuclear crisis under control more than two weeks after a devastating earthquake and tsunami.

Naoto Kan told parliament on Tuesday that the crisis remains unpredictable, reiterating that the country is facing its worst problems since World War II.

"This quake, tsunami and the nuclear accident are the biggest crises for Japan'' in decades, Kan said. "From now on, we will continue to handle it in a state of maximum alert.''

His comments came after nuclear officials announced that toxic plutonium has been seeping from a damaged nuclear power plant in Japan's tsunami disaster zone into the soil outside.


Full article: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2011/03/201132955037479462.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 03:08 PM
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78. They should be.
And I hope and trust they are.
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PhillySane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 09:00 PM
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82. Thank You!
Edited on Tue Mar-29-11 09:01 PM by PhillySane
Tokyo can sleep tonight.

(not)
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 12:49 AM
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83. Well, THEY SHOULD BE!!! How many reactors have to melt down for that to happen?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:02 AM
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84. PBS Newshour, "Japan on 'Maximum Alert' as Fukushima Radiation Threat Remains High
Yet NHK does NOT report that - at least searching 'maximum alert' brings back zilch.

What does Donald Trump say, that's what I want to know, all I really care about. That... and 'winning'
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