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Pryderi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:29 PM Original message |
If the US can't stop innocent civilians from being killed everywhere, does it mean we don't |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. We will cheer, however... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. "Checkbook pacifism" -- good one. We could add "checkbook humanitarianism" nt |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I have no problem... |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. A widespread.... |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. This spin is just as annoying as the Republicans challenging our patriotism... |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm usually the most naive and trusting person in the room, but I'm gobsmacked |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. If our intervention isn't only for humanitarian reasons |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. He also said it's in a region that is of vital interest to us -- so it's not as though |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Precisely. However, we are the major player. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I swear I'm not trying to be contrary, but that makes me wonder if they are turning |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yes, it does amount to a falsehood to tell us |
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Pryderi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. When humanitarian and national interests intersect, that's when we should act. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Right, and that's why we are always assured it is both |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I couldn't agree more about not investing in more oil, but I still disagree on |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Absolutely. If we cannot be perfectly consistent across the globe, then people will have to die. |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Yeah, and to hell with conscience and empathy |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Absolutely. Conscience & empathy just get in the way. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Why is consistence vital? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. let's have a post soviet/cold war era peace dividend first, ok? i.e. the DoD is |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. But why Libya, why not Yemen, Bahrain, Egypt.....? you must admit it smells fishy to some |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Maybe it's because we have a higher familiarity with one dictator, or country, or situation, vs. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. A higher familirity with Libya than Bahrain or Egypt ??? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Because there's a more effective domestic opposition and a weaker dictator. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
32. No strong military, internationally unpopular |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. The problem is that our government has lost all credibility, |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. what people don't seem to be considering is that we ARE intervening |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
12. Our government should probably start by intervening on itself |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. If we can't intervene everywhere, then we need a measureable set of standards |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Doesn't matter -- your math will always add up to no. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. That's not how I see it. I would of fully supported interventionism in |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. How about the US stop killing the many thousands of innocent civilians it's killing |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Thank you, Catherina. n/t |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. No. What nonsense. The world was specifically asked, pleaded with, to intervene in Libya. |
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