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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:32 PM Original message |
Are "progressives" out of touch with the Democratic Party? |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. The unreccers got to this before I did. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obviously. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
32. +1 |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Yes, I am clearly wildy out of touch -- |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. "Getting wall street out of washington and back to new york where it belongs." |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. PONIES!!1! |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
72. +2 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. The party leadership is out of touch with most Americans, period |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. +100 |
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heppcatt (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't think so. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. That's a very good point. The problem is that until that narrative changes, |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. The New Deal is something we all can fight for. Unfortunately, a lot of centrist |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think the problem is instant gratification |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
52. The Very Rich were "instantly Gratified".... |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
93. Ok, while it's fun to toss around talking points |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. The ideals of the new deal have never been more relevant |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. I wonder the same thing. It's pretty disheartening to see a lot of Dems |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Deleted message |
kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. What are you saying? |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I totally agree. And progressive ideas such as reducing the gap between |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Get real! More republican propaganda lies manipulation & the media pounding the bullshit in as truth |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Single-payer healthcare |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. WRONG! "Single-payer" is absolutely the best & most needed necessity for ALL ..... |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Sigh! Such misplaced anger |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Your problen is you watch far too much Fox "news".... |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
95. You should try to read what is actually written |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Sigh. Such a complacent persepctive |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Your point is well-taken, as usual, Stinky. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #57 |
98. Two quick questions JR |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #98 |
106. I think the first question tends to be worded deceptively in the polls-- |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Very valid points, thanks |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. The corporations and financiers took a much simpler route. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Then why do the people not vote for reps who will get single-payer for them? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Because the insurance industry put forth a massive disinformation campaign. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
97. Then why did single-payer or the public option not get sold? |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. They did 'get sold' |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Exactly. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. The problems are |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Strawmen, not problems. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. Progressives are in touch with the majority of the American people over 60% |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
54. I don't think you know Kentuck's track record around here. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Thanks Jackpine... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
112. It's a rhetorical question - There is no claim in the OP that progressives are out of touch |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think it's the other way around. The party is out of touch with progressives. |
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Wwagsthedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. +1 |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
10. Or vice versa. |
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T Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. There does need to be a divorce - who initiates it is irrelevant. Liberals/progressives no |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
12. I don't think they are out of touch at all |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. Dude....You're out of touch!! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. You're mistaking a question for a statement. |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Nope, you're interpreting it the way you want to believe he's phrasing it |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Go read my journal, LaPera. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. you are asking DU? |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. It's all an illusion. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. I have asked those that bad mouth progressives here to tell me on what issues they differ from progr |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
102. I disagree with liberals/progressives about capitalism. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. I am with FDR and the New Deal. Herbert Hoover and his |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
116. The irony being that Herbert Hoover was technically a "Progressive" and FDR was not |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. Not "all" progressives, just the ones who don't understand that this country |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. No, this country isn't "liberal/progressive", just ignorant. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
70. That, too! But sadly that's the case. And until it changes, we're forced to live in this reality! |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. the teabagsters and Republicans do so well because they own - |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
23. What kinds of "progressives"? I think you have to consider that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
25. I think that's two separate questions. The ideals of FDR are certainly relevant to the problems we |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 02:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
85. I have to agree with you 100% |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. The people referred to here as "progressives", |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
117. Nor the Hoover years, which were actually called "Progressive" |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. That would be worth a little essay in a thread of its own. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. We lost touch as it hurried to the right. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. Other way around. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
30. We are the Democratic Party. nt |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. The first thing that needs to be done is to define "progressive" |
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Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. Other way around! |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. I just know |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
42. With the triumph of corporatism and the wealthy elites in the class war |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. "In matters of conscience, |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I like that quote by Gandhi, Waterman... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. It is one |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
80. Perfect response! |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
44. I am not comfortable with using the term "Progressive" as interchangeable with Liberal and/or Left. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
46. Depends entirely on how you define "progressive." n/t |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
47. I am "out of touch" with the "New Democrat" Party. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #47 |
90. +100,000 . .. . . .n/t |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
48. It's Simple... |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
56. I'm to the left of the Party... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
61. Yes...nt |
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jotsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'd say the DLC is out of touch with the democratic principle. |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
63. The Democratic Party is out of touch with its own platform and principles! |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
99. Winner. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #63 |
103. How so? |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
64. No, progressive values are what work. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
65. Lol. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I resent that personal attack. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Lol at your indignation. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. What group, pray tell, is insulted? |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. That "out of touch with the party/reality/etc" bullshit is a line that needs retired |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. You are so wrong. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. You have gotten it 100% completely .... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
66. I would say their ideals are overall great, acceptance of political reality ... |
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PhillySane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. We've got threads here |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Oh yea ... no argument here ... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
86. Political reality is created by people. Give me one good reason we should opt out |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
69. A "Democrat" who considers the New Deal "no longer relevant" is out of touch, IMO. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
120. The New Deal as passed in the 1930s, verbatim? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
77. FUCK YES!! By now even people in Russia realize Obama doesn't have the votes and being "angry" means |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
81. "the reality of today's world" |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
105. So, you want to do this all over again? |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
82. You can't pin this on me!! My hands was on the table the whole time!! |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
83. No |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
87. Yes. Obviously. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #87 |
100. What does Sudden Infant Death Syndrome have to do with it? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
88. What is the ''reality'' you would like us to get in touch with? That the rich have won and the rest |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
89. you need to reword the question: How can you give people a hat full of shit and convince them it's |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
91. Actually, I think it's the other way around. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
92. I think progressives are totally out of touch with the Democratic Party. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
94. Thank god our demands are out of touch with political reality! |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
96. No they aren't Democratic enough! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
101. No, the party is out of touch with progressives. Class warfare continues, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
109. Well, I've wondered the same things... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
110. The Bush Crashes -- moral and economic --- provided the best opportunity |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
113. If Progressives and Liberals aren't welcome in the Democratic Party, then who is? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. That does seem to be the "target" of |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
118. No, but since the days of Marat (if not earlier)... |
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