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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:24 PM
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Obama Tries, Without Success, to Explain an Undeclared War
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Obama Tries, Without Success, to Explain an Undeclared War
By John Nichols
March 28, 2011

President Obama finally got around to speaking to the American people about the fact that he has led the country into a third war.

The problem is that presidents are not supposed to start wars, especially wars of whim that are offensive rather than defensive in nature. That was the complaint against George W. Bush when he failed to obtain a declaration of war before ordering the invasion of Iraq, that is the ongoing complaint against Obama for maintaining the undeclared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And that is the legitimate and necessary complaint against Obama now, a complaint that should come not just opponents of the military intervention but supporters who want that intervention to be lawful and legitimate.

The president did not address the fact that the Libyan adventure is an undeclared war. In fact, he barely mentioned the Congress that is supposed to declare wars, saying only: “And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973.”

But the Constitution does not discuss “consulting the bipartisan leadership.” It says that: “Congress shall have the power…to declare war, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.”

Read the full article at:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/159526/obama-tries-without-success-explain-undeclared-war


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Statement of Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin
On U.S. Military Action in Libya
March 28, 2011

“I oppose the current engagement of U.S. military forces in Libya. Our nation cannot afford a third war and Congress has not authorized it.

For a decade now, the U.S. has been fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have spent nearly a trillion dollars of borrowed money and lost nearly 6,000 American lives. Thousands more servicemen and women have suffered serious, life-altering injuries.

Even as they support these wars with no clearly defined mission or exit strategy, House Republicans are seeking deep cuts in job creation efforts, veterans’ services, health care, education, and transportation. These are misguided priorities.

The Constitution gives Congress the authority to declare war. Defense Secretary Gates has publicly stated that Libya is not a vital interest of the United States. Congress must debate and act on this new military engagement in Libya.

Our troops must be brought home safely and soon from Afghanistan and Iraq; and Congress must return its focus to creating jobs, educating our children, and ensuring access to quality, affordable health care for all Americans.”

http://tammybaldwin.house.gov/legislativeissues/foreign-policy/2011/03/statement-on-us-military-action-in-libya.shtml






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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:26 PM
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1. Unrec...nt
Sid
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:12 PM
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8. That's OK - my rec will cancel out your unrec - please, announce it again next time too
so i can do it again. :evilgrin:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:17 PM
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10. REC
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:23 PM
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12. O REC!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:30 PM
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14. Of course you do. I'll just Rec.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:40 PM
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15. Thanks for reminding me to rec! n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:27 PM
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2. SSDD
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:44 PM
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3. Thank goodness! Consistency finally.
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Zanzoobar Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:45 PM
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4. If it's not war, it's peace. We're dropping bombs of peace on Libya.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:48 PM
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:50 PM
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6. I feel that our President is Lecturing us....like we are idiots or something..
and his speech last night seemed to, my ear, to sound very dictatorial about telling us what we should believe about Libya and why we are there. I know my view is a minority...but it's what I get from all his speeches or "Addresses to the Nation" since he was inaugurated.

Sorry, but it's what my, personal, reaction is to what he says these days. :-( I feel he's lost touch with the people who stood on lines for hours to see him when he was a Candidate. I don't see him as the "man of the people" that his Campaign Speeches seemed to show him as.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:16 PM
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9. Half of us are dumbasses
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:15 PM
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17. I was bemused by the "values" reference considering a strong case could be made that our values are
best depicted by the totality of the Iraqi venture. :patriot:
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 10:52 PM
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7. I heard this guy on Thom Hartmann this morning..
both agreed Obama's actions in Libya are wrong. It was good to hear some real progressives not reciting administration talking points..
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:20 PM
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11. And the word leadership does not appear in the Constitution
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-11 11:28 PM
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13. R & K 'd Good article from a decent Progressive Journalist
:thumbsup:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:44 AM
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16. The Turd Sandwich Doctrine
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:17 PM
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18. Don't worry--someone will be along shortly to explain
that the turd is actually delicious Godiva chocolate.
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