MSNBC l Reports: Opposition factions justifying toppling Gaddafi because he is a secret Jew

[Distant Observer]

This has been major rallying cry of the Benghazi rebels calling for Jihad against the Gaddafi regime by equating war against the infidel Gaddafi with war against Israel.

But I am shocked that even a mention of this would slip into an MSM report before the bombing is over and the Gaddafi regime is destroyed. We are supposed to find this out only after.

Gaddafi Mother's family has Libyan Jewish ancestry and the cleric of Cyrenaica have in the past put a Fatwa on Gaddafi because of his occasional rejection of some more clerical interpretations of Islam.

The underlying facts behind this power struggle make "peaceful" "Arab spring" protest fiction sadly laughable.

[Codeine]

1. Source?

Link?

[The Magistrate]

2. Mr. Engle Has Mentioned This For At Least A Week, Sir

It is an interesting angle, and no claim it is a major element has emerged. People do all kinds f things to screw their courage to the sticking point, and magnify their hate of what they fear and aim to destroy.

[Distant Observer]

11. Wow. First I heard such as specific MSM reprort tying the Anti-Israel and Gaddafi-Jew Graffiti

all over the walls of Benghazi as central to the anti-Gaddafi revolt.

In the past I have only heard Richard Engel comment on the Islamic Extremist
tendency among the rebels.

It is all base-less propaganda to rally the Cyrenaican rebels to the fight, of course,

Just like the other base-less propaganda that is used to build support of the West.

[shraby]

3. Here at du when asserting some "fact", we like to have

links to the source of the "fact".

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Just saw this on MSNBC - Engle

They seem to have a lot in common with the Idaho militia folks.

[Distant Observer]

32. The are conservative, loyal to their culture, Emir and King, but dispossed by Gaddafi modernist

and heretical revolution.

[Distant Observer]

35. Is the clip on MSNBC. I would bet not

[thewiseguy]

5. Yes all this bloodshed has to due with Ghaddafi's mother being a Jew at some point

and you had two DUers recommending this. :eyes:

[The Magistrate]

6. What Other Reaon, Sir, But Inate Arab Moslem Anti-Semitism Could There Be For This?

After all, Libya under Gaddahfi is paradise on earth....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x770186

[MannyGoldstein]

7. "On all other nights we eat sitting."

"Why, on this night, does everyone want to blow my stuff up and make a lot of money from my oil wells?"

[Name removed]

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[Puregonzo1188]

9. Look I'm opposed to the bombing as well, but asserting that opposition to the regime

is based on latent anti-semitism is absurd.

It was rightwing bullshit when it was mentioned about Egypt and it is here too.

[Distant Observer]

15. This is NOT LATENT. It is BLATANT but not reported. It is not the main motive

in my opinion. The power struggle between Cyrenaicans and the Gaddafi regime is both political
and religious rooted in the fact that Gaddafi toppled Idris, their King and Head of their Islamic order. He also abolished the privileges of the noble Cyrenaican clans who historically view themselves as the natural elites.

The fact that Gaddafi has kept on putting forward various tennets of his ideology of "the rule of the people", the "rule of the mass" and "direct democracy" without submission to the dictates of the clerics has been also a powerful source of conflict.

[The Magistrate]

16. And Yet You Start A Thread, Sir, To Wave It Like A Bloody Shirt: 'The Rebels Are Jew-Haters!'

What will you find under your hand next?

And of course, it is being reported: you saw it on the television, and that was far from its first mention there; it was also mentioned in an article in the New York Times last week....

[Union Scribe]

37. Keep nailing halos to them if you want, but *I* like knowing

just whom we've climbed into bed with.

[The Magistrate]

39. That Sounds Painful, Sir....

[Union Scribe]

40. So is buyer's regret, sir.

It's an all-too-common affliction suffered, much like a hangover, by countries taking sides without careful consideration.

[The Magistrate]

41. Best To Keep One's Expectations Low, Sir: Better Pleasant Surprise Than Bitter Disappointment

That is my policy, anyway....

[RandySF]

10. This is the same kind of shit we heard when Mubarek was about to go.

[Distant Observer]

12. The is Richard Engel reading the Arabic Graffiti all over Benghazi walls and

from interview with the arabic-speaking rebels in the battle field.

This is also well known by those familiar the long-running conflict between the
Eastern Islamic factions and the Gaddafi government.

I am sure the MSM editor don't want this to be discussed or it would have been well
documented by media reports during earlier phases of the conflict.

[RZM]

13. I'm sure you could find somebody on the street who would say this

That doesn't mean it's a widespread belief. People all over the world believe tons of stupid shit. I'm sure many, many more people in Libya believe that Jews engineered 9/11 as well. If you produce data showing that many of the rebels believe this, then you have something . . . until then, it's predictable background noise.

[Catherina]

14. It's not accidental. It's the old hatreds being carefully fueled and played

Jazeera Reports: Witchcraft and Sorcery books found in Gaddafi’s Palace in Bayda
Posted on February 26, 2011 by v1d

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr_GI91nees

In order in the video

1. Talmud– Deyana Yahood– A Jewish Holy Book

2. Qabala wa Sihir – Khaballah (Jewish religion) and Magic (Witchcraft)

3. Tahluf Ashaytan — Alliance with the Devil (subscript says Mafia of politics and Mafia of religion)

4. 72 Secrets of the internal Judaism

5. Haqaaiq 3an Tanaskh Al Arwah — Facts on Cloning Spirits – the 6th Sense


http://feb17.info/media/witchcraft-and-sorcery-books-found-in-the-palace-gaddafi-in-bayda/

translation of the news report:
“Numerous books on magic and summoning of demons have been found inside Gadhafi’s presidential palace in Al-Beidaa, in addition to several religious books specifically about the Talmud and the Jewish religion.”
Al Jazeera goes on to show six Arabic-language books that were said to have been found in Gadhafi’s possession (and which appear to have been mounted behind glass). The books bear titles including: “A Complete Exegesis of the Talmud and the Teachings of the Rabbis”; “The Kabbala and Jewish Magic”; “The League of Satan: The Political Mafia and the Mafia of Religions”; and “The 72 Secrets at the Heart of Judaism.”


Someone, or some people, is deliberately fueling old ethnic and racial tensions.

These books were just found huh? And it was so important Al Jazeera Arabic & English had to show it over and over again?

Spend some time on North African forums to see what many Arabs say about Blacks and Jews. It's not pretty. Divisions are being deliberately, dangerously fanned.

[Distant Observer]

29. I am amazed at the general naivete regarding the the propaganda tools that propel this conflict at

all levels.

The MSM is always looking for some bubbling effort of Gaddafi PR team while wearing blinders
to the fierce war of lies raging all around.

[WilliamPitt]

17. Thanks for the link

Fail.

[Distant Observer]

30. Will, this was a RARE piece re on the ground rebel motives featuring Arabic graffiti on walls of

Benghazi. I any of it is put on the web I will link. But I doubt it will be there because of
the general censorship of deep question regarding rebel motives.

[Starry Messenger]

18. Libyan Constitutional Union's website is riddled with anti-Jewish conspiracy theories

http://www.libyanconstitutionalunion.net/libjews.htm#lzn

Gaddafi and the Abandoned Constitution

By: Mohamed Ben Ghalbon

Translation from Arabic

29 July ‏2005‏


We at the Libyan Constitutional Union (LCU) are certain that the manner in which the monarchist Libyan Government dealt with the events of June 1967 regarding its Jewish citizens accelerated the demise of the Libyan throne and coloured with hostility the choice of its replacement.

The plans that were already in the making for a regime change in Libya, with patience and prudence, by those who hold the reins and move the political pieces in our miserable part of the world were modified to take a vengeful course


In the beginning of the 1980’s uprising Libyan patriots in alliance with several major Arab states, which were unhappy with Gaddafi, began to form a serious threat to the Libyan regime. However, this was not suitable to those who hold the reins because the vengeful plan (for Libya) had not run its complete course just yet and the country’s infrastructure did not reach the absolute wreck that was intended for it. The once promising alliance was deliberately contained within a single organisation which went on to marginalize everyone outside its umbrella and plunged the alliance into a void of failure and irrelevance.

Now that Libya’s infrastructure has hit rock bottom and the country’s sole decision maker openly recognises the rights of the Libyan Jews to citizenship and compensation, the ruthless plan, it appears, is deemed to have completed its course and the country is welcomed back into the international fold.

Gross.

The Libyan Constitutional Union is definitely part of the opposition.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/127594/20110328/gaddafi-sirte-fall-impact-rebel.htm

Mohamed Ben Ghalbon, the leader of Libyan Constitutional Union, a prominent opposition force in the country, had this to say about how Gaddafi nurtured the city and the region. "He gave generously, awarded many with prominent government positions, and met their wishes of services and advantages over the rest of the public. Gaddafi made Sirte a capital with all the modern facilities fit for an important capital city."

[The Magistrate]

19. Exile Group, Ma'am, Out Of London

The fellow is flakey even by local standards....

[Starry Messenger]

20. The Ayatollah Khomeni was an exile.

Just saying. I don't think everything is cut and dried here. I think there are genuine freedom fighters who are mixed in with people who have long-established agendas. Who will emerge as the dominant group? Hard to say, of course. I don't think any American would want to buy a pig in a poke though.

[The Magistrate]

21. Nearby In This Forum, Ma'am, Exiles Returning From Western Countries Are Denounced As C.I.A. Agents

The point is that this group has little claim to solid following in Libya itself, and it will take a good deal more than is showing to convince me this is anything but a minor player.

Khomeni was exiled because he had influence, measured in great and riotous crowds, and maintained that throughout his exile: if this fellow was comparable, many more people would know his name.

[Starry Messenger]

22. I was only speaking to your point that this was "an exile group"

He certainly is being quoted a lot by journalists lately. He could become more widely known, or slip back into obscurity, his 15 minutes over. I don't understand your subject line, but I've had a headache all day, no doubt I'm not tracking.

My point being, I need to be convinced that this uprising is part of the Arab Spring. I don't think that it is. The West was heavily pro-King Idris during his reign. I am interested in examining this from all angles.

[The Magistrate]

23. Long-Term Exiles, Ma'am, Seldom Have Much Local Following

Were this fellow not saying things on occasion useful to the idea there is something unsavory about the rebellion, many here would tar him as an operative of Englands 'special services', simply from the address. He is of the view, by the way, that the U.S. is in cahoots with Gadahfi, to get the country partitioned.

The idea this is engineered from the West has no foundation, and basically rests on a view that non-Western people cannot be agents of heir own destiny. There are so many fissures and grievances in the structure and recent history of Libya that there is no particular reason to seek farther than the example of neighbors for the proximate instigation of this outbreak. People were swearing blind here Tunisia was put in play by the C.I.A. when this thing started, and the same was said of events in Egypt. Put bluntly, it grows boring.

[Starry Messenger]

24. I'm sorry you find this tedious.

I find it all quite interesting.

[The Magistrate]

25. Not You Particularly, Ma'am: The Whole 'White People Did It, Really!' Line That Pops Up So Often

It does not matter what the event is, or where: the idea it was contrived by some Western agency, and cannot possibly be the result of non-Western people acting on their own hook, will bob up to the surface, supported by all sorts of heavy breathing and odd little links.

[Starry Messenger]

26. Ah!

That would indeed be boring. That is not what is happening here. I don't think this was engineered by the West at all. Circumstances point away from that interpretation. I am sure that whatever is happening was initiated by the Libyans themselves. What our own role is in that *now*, is murky to me however. I hate to be blunt, but this country has not been above a little opportunism, to say the least, historically speaking. I'm sure in a week or two, things will take whatever shape they will take.

[The Magistrate]

27. Then We, Ma'am, Would Seem As Much In Agreement As Not

[Starry Messenger]

28. I was sure that was the case, Sir.

A discussion of empire in the wee hours of the morning is always a pleasure and a rare one.

[Distant Observer]

31. Who the hell do you think have been runing the intervention propaganda? The EXILES!!!!

[The Magistrate]

33. The Case For Intervention, Sir, Rests On Statements Of Gaddahfi, And Actions Of His Security Organs

[Distant Observer]

34. HOW DELICATE! Guess you''ve been protected from rants of all the other strongmen around the world

Nothing that happened in Libya has precedent as a "Just War" intervention.

This is an immoral war that could have been avoided.

[The Magistrate]

36. My Sheltered Naivete, Sir, Is The Best Known Element Of My Character

"For the Snark was a Boojum, you see...."

[undeterred]

38. So if Gaddafi is a secret Jew and Obama is a secret Muslim, then

what does that make Netanyahu?

[Distant Observer]

42. Of course it all perverse Propaganda, but that's the environment we are in -- in Libya

[The Magistrate]

44. Perverse Propaganda, Sir, Spread In This Instance By You In Support Of Gaddafhi

Recent comments have made that abundantly clear.

[Distant Observer]

45. According to Engel its all over Benghazi and explains the character of

the motivations in the rebel group.

[The Magistrate]

46. You Stretch Mr. Engel's Comments Considerably, Sir, But By All Means, Continue Digging....

We all know Anti-Semitism is the primary motivation of all Moslems and Arabs....

[kenny blankenship]

47. Engel says, huh? Well seeing is believing!

Oooooops that's Hosni Mubarak!
And he is being caricatured as a Jew, or I don't know what - a spy or servant of Israel or something obviously antisemitic in intent- by Egyptian protesters in now legendary Tahrir Square.

Did y'all denounce the Egyptian freedom movement because of the character of their caricatures? Did you malign the motivations of the entire movement because of the copiously visible you-can't-fucking-deny-you're-seeing-it presence of antisemitism of some among its ranks?

[The Magistrate]

48. If So, Sir, It Was Under Another Name: This Account Opened Three Weeks Ago

[Distant Observer]

49. The Egyption Protest Movement was FANTASTIC. The Cyrenaican are NOBLE. But the propaganda engine

motivating this CIVIL WAR should be understood as some of us continue to support
the killing.

This War has been engineered and it is evil.

[Raschel]

43. A yahoo for having dinner with Sarah Palin.

[Baby Bear]

50. Not Surprising

that there are anti-semites in Benghazi. There are anti-semites in New Jersey. What we want to know is whether a popular democratic movement is being hi-jacked by anti-democratic elements. There are factions who would benefit from the perception that it was true, and that includes the American right.