Instant Gratification? It took Wesley Clark 79 days

[denem]

to bring Slobodan Milosevic to the negotiating table: A man every bit as proud and genocidal as Muammar al-Gaddafi. After 11 days, the Reality Show that is MSM/USA , like the Truman Shaw, can't wait: Tell us now '"How will it end'.? I know how Harry S would have ended it, Patience is a virtue for some, but not in 1945 nor the fast food throwaway today USA.

[sendero]

1. The massacre was imminent..

.... nobody had the luxury of even 2 days.

[denem]

2. I agree.

What I am saying is it's too early to judge a Kosovo strategy after 11 days. I fear however that Gaddafi will model his final days on Hitlers Bunker.

[Gravel Democrat]

4. The majority of Albanians left Kosovo after the bombing started

that isn't my opinion, that is a fact you can double check if you want

It's not a hard concept: Stay and possibly find yourself under a bomb or

flee back to where you came from where you have relatives and friends

[denem]

5. Still leaving more Albanians than Serbs in the region?

Your point is? Ethnic cleansing is fine as long as it's Geographical?. OK you've got Yalta.

[The Magistrate]

7. His Point, Sir, Is, If You Prevent A Murder, No Murder Occurs, So What Right Had You To Interfere?

Success in halting a crime clearly demonstrates it was unecessary, and wrong, to halt the crime....

[denem]

9. Right. So the Trail of Tears was not genocide

because native Americans would have died over time in inevitable conflicts with settlers, so that, despite the carnage, Jackson's intervention was in fact warranted because of the deaths that did not occur in the future that never was.

[The Magistrate]

14. Even Worse, Sir: If Some Power Had Stopped It as It Was Starting, Stopping It Would Be The Crime

A horrible interference in a sovereign state's affairs, and doubtless done only to steal lands and resources, not to prevent the deaths of Cherokees, who, after all, were not killed in great numbers before the foreign troops came on the scene....

[denem]

16. And therin lies the core contradiction of the UN Charter,

'waging of aggressive war "essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole'

[denem]

17. BTW poor old Nürnberg - they do make good gingerbread n/t

[Owlet]

11. As good an example

of sophistry as I've seen in a long time. ;)

[denem]

15. Razor sharp IMO

and then some.

[denem]

12. Sorry. I get it. Doh. n/t

[Gravel Democrat]

21. a few neighbors think a guy down the street is dangerous

oh he hasn't actually done anything to anyone except dress up in funny costumes and give nutty speeches but we're thinking he's gonna go postal any minute.

Soooo, we're gonna put together a posse and, well, you know... send him up the river heh heh

Oh it'll be at night and if anyone asks any questions we'll change the subject. The neighborhood (and the world!) will be a much better place without this wackadoodle. And we'll be saving lives! How many people can a dead guy kill? ROFL

Wanna join, Magistrate?

Juss-tice done feel good sumtimes eh?

[Modern_Matthew]

22. Well said. Wish we could K&R comments. nt

[The Magistrate]

27. Trouble Is, Sir, There Was A Record Of Previous Massacres

There was declared specific intention, and occasionsof mass murder, in the area targeted, as well as a propaganda campaign lasting years already in place.

Your comments demonstrate nothing but a lack of knowledge concerning the facts of history.

[Gravel Democrat]

20. no you missed the point

[Gravel Democrat]

3. How many confirmed cases of "genocide" were found when UN/ FBI investigators went into Serbia?

And what is your opinion of US negotiators adding Appendix B to Rambouillet at the last minute?

Lastly, if you were the leader of a country, would you have signed a document worded the way Appendix B was worded?

TIA

[denem]

6. Look up the ICC convictions.

I am not sure what you are on about.

[Gravel Democrat]

24. these are not hard questions so it shouldn't be hard to get "what I am on about"

How many confirmed cases of "genocide" were found when UN/ FBI investigators went into Serbia?

If you google FBI Kosovo Genocide you'll have your answer


"And what is your opinion of US negotiators adding Appendix B to Rambouillet at the last minute?"

"Lastly, if you were the leader of a country, would you have signed a document worded the way Appendix B was worded?"


&&&&&

As surely you know, the failure of the Serbs to sign the Rambouillet agreement was the "legal" (so to speak) basis for the bombing campaign.

So surely you have an opinion on the most controversial part, the one thing that the Serbs wouldn't sign off on.

Right?

You DO know about Rambouillet appendix B, don't you?


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[howard112211]

8. Obama said "days not weeks" nt.

[denem]

10. It would not be the first time he was wrong. n/t

[Owlet]

13. Just look at his Final Four picks..

:)

[denem]

18. In the end it's his picks for SCOTUS .

President Kerry? No Robers, no Alito, no United Citizens.

[Gravel Democrat]

19. EXCLUSIVE: DEMOCRACY NOW! Confronts Wesley Clark Over His Bombing Of Civilians, Use Of Cluster Bombs

EXCLUSIVE: DEMOCRACY NOW! Confronts Wesley Clark Over His Bombing Of Civilians, Use Of Cluster Bombs And Depleted Uranium And The Bombing Of Serb Television

In a Democracy Now! exclusive, General Wesley Clark responds for the first time to in-depth questions about his targeting of civilian infrastructure in Yugoslavia, his bombing of Radio Television Serbia, the use of cluster bombs and depleted uranium, the speeding-up of the cockpit video of a bombing of a passenger train to make it appear as though it was an accident and other decisions he made and orders he gave as NATO’s Supreme Allied

Since the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, General Wesley Clark has not answered any in-depth questions about his targeting of civilian infrastructure in Yugoslavia, his bombing of Radio Television Serbia, the use of cluster bombs and depleted uranium, the speeding-up of the cockpit video of a bombing of a passenger train to make it appear as though it was an accident and other decisions he made and orders he gave as NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Even against civilians in the Nis marketplace? Why bomb Radio Television Serbia? Why did you bomb Radio Television Serbia? You killed 16 media workers, sir..."---MORE

(referring to the bombing in downtown Belgrade of the TV station while 16 civilians were at work)

transcript and video/audio stream at link
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/1/26/exclusive_democracy_now_confronts_wesley_clark


Ohhh Lookie Here! What's this? A US ARMY Base! Sometimes they pop up like mushrooms!



Camp Bondsteel is the main base of the United States Army under KFOR command in Kosovo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

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[denem]

23. War kills people.

They're cluster fucks of depleted humanity.

Apply any humane standard to WWII, Korea or Vietnam, all Democratic wars, the bottom line is still the same. West Germany WAS a US army base.

[Gravel Democrat]

25. something tells me you didn't click the link. I'm crushed LOL

I'm directing my energies at the lurker, so don't feel bad.

Your mind is made up, and nothing is gonna change it.

Good Morning!


Happy http://costofwar.com

[denem]

26. The 2004 campaign firestorm is not something I want revisit.

I remember the war crimes to and throw, ribbons vs medals, overdubbed screams, swift boats, Sunny Johnny - the whole lot. It sucked.