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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:17 PM
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Death toll from BP oil crime may be 50 times worse than thought
http://www.clickgreen.org.uk/analysis/general-analysis/122100-true-toll-of-deepwater-disaster-may-be-50x-worse-than-thought.html

'The recorded impact of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill on wildlife may have severely underestimated the number of deaths of whales and dolphins, according to a new report.

The Deepwater Horizon disaster of 2010 devastated the Gulf region ecologically and economically. However, a new study published in Conservation Letters reveals that the true impact of the disaster on wildlife may be gravely underestimated. The study argues that fatality figures based on the number of recovered animal carcasses will not give a true death toll, which may be 50 times higher than believed.'

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AKDavy Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:18 PM
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1. You're talking science, and that doesn't carry much weight
in 21st Century United States.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:34 PM
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2. Fish
just cannot survive in oil blooms, they suffocate.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:37 PM
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3. Corexit worked exactly as designed
It sank the oil. Now all that oil lurks around in the gulf killing everything in it's path.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:42 PM
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5. Corexit itself isa toxic poison, far worse that the oil.
At least there are life form that can break down the oil.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:39 PM
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4. Where are the Anti-Nukers defending oil as being safer than nuclear?
They seem to be missing.

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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:46 PM
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7. Huh?
No doubt it took you some time to erect that strawman there, as I do not know of any "anti-nukers," that would defend oil, but why don't you get together with that pro-nuker that displays the coal sign with line through it. Seems like two peas in a nuclear pod to me. Kind of reminded me of that rabid right wing diatribe against the judge in Wisconsin. You guys are really earning your money on the boards, bouncing from one thread to the next, fuck the facts, load the insults and innuendo, hoist the hyperbole, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead...

As for straight up anti-nukers, here are/were some everyday folk and what they feel about it:


Dirty Fucking Hippies WERE RIGHT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veyi-0FH67k




Merkel Loses Key German State on Nuclear Fears

BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative Christian Democrats on Sunday suffered a major defeat in a historic stronghold in southwestern Germany, where the Green Party appeared poised to head a state government for the first time, according to official preliminary results.

The nuclear calamity in Japan and Mrs. Merkel’s subsequent reversal on nuclear power played a key role in the elections in the southwest state of Baden-Württemberg, where the Christian Democrats have governed since 1953, before Mrs. Merkel, 56, was born.

Most Germans have a deep-seated aversion to nuclear power, and the damage at the Fukushima Daiichi plant in Japan has galvanized opposition. On Saturday, more than 200,000 people took to the streets of four big German cities to protest nuclear power. The news from Japan of soaring radiation levels led the major radio and television newscasts on Sunday.

After the catastrophe in Japan, Mrs. Merkel reversed a pro-nuclear policy that she adopted just last year and temporarily shut down seven of Germany’s 17 nuclear plants. She apparently did not convince voters that her change of policy was sincere. ..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/28/world/europe/28germany.html



Contributed by DU poster FourScore:

In the book Chernobyl: Insight From the Inside by Vladimir Chernousenko. Chernousenko was the leading nuclear physicist in the USSR when Chernobyl blew. He was in charge of the clean up. He is dead now, of course, but he wrote this book before he died. In it, he explains how he had always been an advocate of nuclear energy until Chernobyl happened. It was then that he came to the painful realization that all the safety measures were only theoretical. The robots that were supposed to replace humans in a high radiation zone were clumsy and couldn't maneuver well. Eventually they failed to operate altogether due to the fact that high radiation destroys electronics. Nobody had thought about that! Can you imagine? Let me say this again...They made these robots to go into high radiation zones instead of humans, but they DIDN'T WORK because high radiation KILLS electronics...How dumb was that??? Everyone has been talking about robots going in, but has anyone bothered to ask why they haven't used them yet? 'Cuz there's a reason. Also, have you seen the pictures of the devastation? The robots can't move around in it. Explosions have occurred and there is heavy debris all over the place. That was another problem at Chernobyl. They couldn't move around it. And finally, robots can't physically move the way humans can. They can't climb utility poles one minute and crawl through tunnels the next. So, the robots idea was THEORY -- IT DIDN'T WORK. It didn't work then, it wouldn't work now. And that's just one example of how the theory broke down in a real life scenario.

He said, at Chernobyl the situation was even worse because of the lack of free press in the Soviet Union. However, he describes how he and the head of the IAEA flew over the exploded reactor in a helicopter to observe the damage, and then the head of the IAEA stood in front of the world press at a press conference and said that the situation looked manageable. Chernousenko could not believe it! He said it is the industry norm to deny and obfuscate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=766036&mesg_id=766036



Have a sunny day!


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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:41 PM
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13. Wind, solar and ethanol are nowhere near ready to supply this countries power needs.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:50 PM
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6. If you're not into that "science" thingy, try these...



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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:01 PM
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8. I was told it is perfectly safe to swim in the Gulf of Mexico!
Safe as can be folks! Come on down and try our shrimp! Mmmm....love that seafood!
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sixmile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:11 PM
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9. Gotta be safe!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:13 PM
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11. I'd bet all the tea in China that is NOT the Gulf of Mexico.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:04 AM
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14. It was taken off Alligator Point.
In Saint Andrew Bay. Not the Gulf of Mexico. It's sort of connected to it, but it's shielded and didn't have oil in it at the time. It has tar balls in it now, though.

Oh, and only White House photographers were allowed to take pictures, so there's no proof they were even that close.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:13 PM
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10. Beautiful!
:sarcasm:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:39 PM
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12. Drawing a picture is good for many...
Thanks for this.

Much like the nuclear crisis currently underway, we haven't heard the full story on this disaster either.
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