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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:05 PM
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Exclusive: Obama authorizes secret support for Libya rebels
Edited on Wed Mar-30-11 04:43 PM by EFerrari
By Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON | Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:54pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday.

Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the last two or three weeks, according to four U.S. government sources familiar with the matter.

Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and the White House declined immediate comment.

News that Obama had given the authorization surfaced as the President and other U.S. and allied officials spoke openly about the possibility of sending arms supplies to Gaddafi's opponents, who are fighting better-equipped government forces.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330?WT.tsrc=Social%20Media&WT.z_smid=twtr-reuters_%20com&WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter


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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:17 PM
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1. Despite warnings, the US will plow ahead and hope for the best.
This part, describing covert action, is chilling:

"The article, by VOA intelligence correspondent Gary Thomas, said covert action "can encompass many things, including propaganda, covert funding, electoral manipulation, arming and training insurgents, and even encouraging a coup."

U.S. officials also have said that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, whose leaders despise Gaddafi, have indicated a willingness to supply Libyan rebels with weapons.

Members of Congress have expressed anxiety about U.S. government activities in Libya. Some have recalled that weapons provided by the U.S. and Saudis to mujahedeen fighting Soviet occupation forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of anti-American militants.

There are fears that the same thing could happen in Libya unless the U.S. is sure who it is dealing with. The chairman of the House intelligence committee, Rep. Mike Rogers, said on Wednesday he opposed supplying arms to the Libyan rebels fighting Gaddafi "at this time."

"We need to understand more about the opposition before I would support passing out guns and advanced weapons to them," Rogers said in a statement"
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:02 PM
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7. Ohhhh .... "government sources" .... scary.
"Some have recalled' ....

Oh no!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:05 PM
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9. I guess you'd have to be groped at an airport to fully appreciate
what blowback means in a concrete way. :)
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:19 PM
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2. K&InvisibleR
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:55 PM
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3. Wonder where it will end. It is clear we will start arming the rebels.
Will we provide on the ground training?

Assistance? What more?

I guess as long as any US military and CIA wear sandals or slippers, we won't have any boots on the ground.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:56 PM
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4. The same bad plot over and over.
What ever happened to "American ingenuity"?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:59 PM
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5. Variation upon an old theme.
Move along, no change here.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:00 PM
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6. Sadly there is an operations manual for all this, just like for the "no-fly-zone." "implementation"
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Runework Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:04 PM
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8. So Obama is a liar
he said the mission was to protect the people of Benghazi
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:34 PM
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:38 PM
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13. Obama is clearly going along with the BAU of the SBB
Edited on Wed Mar-30-11 05:39 PM by Distant Observer
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:12 PM
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10. The pace of the mission creep
has been very fast.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:32 PM
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11.  'It's just a no-fly zone - we'll be done in a jiffy'
Covert Ops?

Some secret.

Guess Libya didn't roll over like a good dog in Egypt.

I'm breaking out my Splinter Cell games - send me in coach.

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:47 PM
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14. When will we ever learn from our failed mistakes? I once believed that Obama was smarter than this.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 05:58 PM
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15. The script for this must be pretty dogeared at this point
having been used and reused so often.


From the British side:



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/british-officials-working-with-rebels-in-east-2255739.html

Yesterday, David Cameron said British officials were liaising with rebel ground forces in eastern Libya. "We are actually now in proper contact with the rebels and a Foreign Office official is now having proper discussions with them, which I think is vital as we need to get to know and work with them and make these points with them," the Prime Minister told the Commons.

The team has been in Benghazi for several days and has held talks with the Interim National Transitional Council (INTC), which was set up in the city earlier this month.




For some reason, I keep picturing these guys:

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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:40 PM
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17. For some reason I keep thinking of these guys - 'advisors' in Vietnam


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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:24 PM
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16. great stuff k&r nt
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