If you want to hit the Koch Brothers where it counts, don't buy products made by their companies,

[louslobbs]

Here are just a few to avoid, I keep the list with me all the time and share it with anyone who doesn't want to inadvertantly support companies that produce products that buy our government to elect Wisconsin Gov Walker types who will try to kill Unions and end collective bargaining (among other nefarious) things.

We have the real power, the power of consumer purchasing.

IF YOU BUY THESE PRODUCTS, YOU SUPPORT UNION BUSTING AND RICH, POWERFUL REPUBLICONS BUYING ELECTIONS.

KOCH BROTHERS REPBULICON SUPPORTING PRODUCTS

(Georgia-Pacific products)
Angel Soft toilet paper
Brawny paper towels
Dixie plates, bowls, napkins and cups
Mardi Gras napkins and towels
Quilted Northern toilet paper
Soft ‘n Gentle toilet paper
Sparkle napkins
Vanity fair napkins
Zee napkins
Georgia-Pacific paper products and envelopes
All Georgia-Pacific lumber and building products
(INVISTA Products)
Lycra
Stainmaster Carpet
Thank you for your attention.
From - http://thebluehighway.com/?p=2554

[Clovis Sangrail]

1. thanks!

[louslobbs]

16. You are welcome Clovis, look down thread to see many more products owned by Koch supplied by

Texastoast.
Lou

[pacalo]

2. I've already cut the only two products we usually buy in bulk from my shopping list.

[louslobbs]

38. Excellent, every little bit adds up to a lot more.

Lou

[KansDem]

3. Also products that contain "cellulose" -- You know, "sawdust?" Filler for "food?"

Koch Industries owns GP Cellulose (formerly Alabama River Cellulose):

From Hoovers:

Company Description
No fiction, GP Cellulose is a big producer of market and fluff pulp. The company's pulp mills in Georgia, Mississippi, and Alabama (acquired from Parsons & Whittemore in 2010) churn out millions of tons of cellulose a year. Its range of pulp grades and specialty fibers are the raw material for a myriad of products, from automotive and coffee filters to diapers, baby wipes, and tea bags. GP Cellulose's softwood pulps are integral to making fine writing, copy, and computer paper, and even stamps. Its business solutions team offers logistics, technical support, as well as product development for customers. Formerly known as Koch Cellulose, the company is a subsidiary of Georgia-Pacific, owned by Koch Industries.

http://www.hoovers.com/company/GP_Cellulose_LLC/ryksxji-1.html

:puke:

[louslobbs]

8. Thank you everyone for responding, this is sickening the amount of product ownership Koch

has in it's pocket. It's unreal that one family can own all of these brands simply by inheriting their fathers accumen for manipulation, theft and purchase of our government to their own purposes. I too want to vomit.
Lou

[Ian David]

4. Disneyland Theme Park concessions use exclusively Koch Industries products. n/t

[louslobbs]

15. Never been there and now I never will, thanks for letting me know.

Lou

[texastoast]

5. More detail from the Daily Kos link

Now, the challenge is to find alternatives for these. A lot of this stuff is used in the building trades.

And I made the mistake of looking on Wikipedia for the Koch heads. Heartbreaking if you aren't a soulless capitalist asshole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/24/895947/-Boycott-Koch-Products
Georgia Pacific Building products

Dense Armor Drywall and Decking
ToughArmor Gypsum board
Georgia pacific Plytanium Plywood
Flexrock
Densglass sheathing
G/P Industrial plasters (some products used by a lot of crafters)-
Agricultural Plaster
Arts & Crafts Plaster
Dental Plaster
General Purpose Plaster
Glass-reinforced Gypsum (GRG)
Industrial Tooling Plaster
Investment Casting Plaster
Medical Plaster
Metal Casting Plaster
Pottery Plaster

FibreStrong Rim board
G/P Lam board
Blue Ribbon OSB Rated Sheathing
Blue Ribbon Sub-floor
DryGuard Enhanced OSB
Nautilus Wall Sheathing
Thermostat OSB Radiant Barrier Sheathing
Broadspan Engineered Wood Products
XJ 85 I-Joists
FireDefender Banded Cores
FireDefender FS
FireDefender Mineral Core
Hardboard and Thin MDF including Auto Hardboard,
Perforated Hardboard and Thin MDF
Wood Fiberboard -
Commercial Roof Fiberboard
Hushboard Sound Deadening Board
Regular Fiberboard Sheathing
Structural Fiberboard Sheathing

Thanks to enhydra lutris for the additional products/brands by INVISTA:

COMFOREL® fiberfill
COOLMAX® fabric
CORDURA® fabric
DACRON® fiber
POLYSHIELD® resin
SOLARMAX® fabric
SOMERELLE® bedding products
STAINMASTER® carpet
SUPPLEX® fabric
TACTEL® fiber
TACTESSE® carpet fiber
TERATE® polyols
TERATHANE® polyether glycol
THERMOLITE® fabric
PHENREZ® resin
POLARGUARD® fiber and
LYCRA® fiber

[louslobbs]

6. Thank you Texas, this is obviously a staggering list of products and I

appreciate you taking the time to add to the list, it even shocked me.
Lou

[catenary]

7. What's the ultimate goal of boycotting those products? To run them out of business?

Fat chance...and if it did hurt them bad enough to downsize the Georgia Pacific holdings, should I still support the efforts that might very well put my brother out of a job he's had with them for 29 years? Not sure he'd appreciate it. :shrug:

I wonder how long it will take for somebody to call me a shill or a freeper...

[louslobbs]

11. No the ultimate goal is not to give your money to Republicons who want to destroy Unions and pass

extreme policy to hurt the majority including you and your brother. Some people vote against themselves in the voting booth and others do it with their support (purchasing) from corps who would just as soon see you without a job, without health care, without food, without a home........let's put it this way, they'd rather see you and your brother dead. You take up space, your not one of them, you deserve less, you are not one of the chosen ones.......so if you want to give your money to people who want to destroy your ability to have a job with protection benefits......or have a job at all, go ahead and do it. And while your at it, vote Republicon which you probably already do, but don't spout off about your brother losing his job because of a boycott of products, take a look at the Republicon party if you want to see why the job situation is so tragic and why, if your brother should lose his job, he has lost it. You can't run these thieves out of business, but by not purchasing their ill gotten products, you won't be supporting their destruction of America either.
Lou

[catenary]

13. Okay fine but I can't see how that's either a useful or feasible goal.

They're not going to miss the sales of a few thousand rolls of paper towels and it's not about to get them to change their political outlook. Boycotts never accomplish anything beyond hurting employees and retail purveyors. Even millions of fundagelicals couldn't make a dent in Disney World with their boycott over them having a 'gay day' in Orlando. I just don't see the point, sorry.

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[backscatter712]

9. It's hard to hurt the Koch bros. much by not buying their toilet paper.

Most of their money's in oil & related industries, so you'd have to get thousands or millions of people to do things like stop driving in order to really get them to notice.

This is why I'd just about give my left nut to see a genuine general strike in this country - it's pretty much the only way to really hurt those subhuman fucks.

[louslobbs]

12. Sure, but why would I buy Brawny paper towels and give a single cent for them to continue

their fight against me/us. I don't give my money to those who push policy to hurt blacks, gay people, Muslims ot any other group they decide to disparage. It's not about them, it's about me. I won't help to support anyone who does intentional harm to others with one cent of my money if I know about it. It makes me feel good that they can't use a dollar of my money to attack my friends and family......and women, and the poor, and you know the rest.
Lou

[backscatter712]

23. Good point.

Nothing wrong with refusing to buy Koch products - I encourage it.

But it'll take more than a toilet paper or paper towel boycott to bring them down.

[louslobbs]

28. Sure, but any little thing adds up to big things when more and more people participate, not

necessarily to put them out of business (not gonna happen), but to do everything you can not to contribute to their tyranny and further destruction of the majority. I love Unions and what they've done for this country and as we've seen, this is the biggest target on their hit list. I will not give a dime to anyone who's goal is the destruction of, the rest of, what's left of, our middle class. And thanks for your encouragement.

Lou

[Cleita]

10. It's going to take more than boycotts.

It's going to take getting them to stop funding the astro-turf organizations and lobbyists that are undermining our government. There has to be a way to charge them with treason and make them back off of their offensive to buy our political system and to crown themselves kings.

[louslobbs]

14. Agreed, but every dollar we give adds up to millions that they will use against We the People

I never eat at Carls Jr./Hardees, because their founder was a racist and homophobe. Why would I give my money to a company that hates a group of people simply because of who they were born to be or the color of their skin? I won't and I don't give my money to ChikAFil or Dominoes Pizza either. It's my thing and it works for me, but I know one thing, Carl Karcher never got a dime of my money and if I can help it, neither will the Koch Klan Korp.
Lou

[Cleita]

18. I'm not saying don't boycott. I'm saying it's going to

take a lot more.

[louslobbs]

22. And I agreed with you, but I don look at it as a "boycott", I look at it as something you do

personally to not inadvertently give your hard earned money to anyone who'd just as soon see you and me in a gutter somewhere.
Lou

[mstinamotorcity]

17. TOMBStone!!!!

I like it!!!!!!Never commerce with the enemy. I always say why are we Commercing with those who desire to cripple the average American's finances to zero. TOMBStone= Taking Our Money Back and Kick rocks ________!!!!! Now if we can get everyone to work the banks!!!!

[Courtesy Flush]

21. Irony: Look at the ad from this page...

[louslobbs]

29. lol, now that sucks, I guess the bills gotta get paid huh? lol Wow! Ugh!

lou

[mstinamotorcity]

31. Gotcha but not my Advertisement

revenue. Maybe you should alert someone and let them know. Personally I have hardwood floors the originals that came with the home. No Laminates. So carpet is not my thing. Never was.

[louslobbs]

35. Very cool, I getcha and didn't think it was yours lol.

Lou

[louslobbs]

26. Exactly, I don't bank with any "big" bank anymore and I get great service and less service charges

From my credit union and City National Bank California. Also,

And You rock my man! I don't give money to those who would do me and the majority of us, willful harm to our abilities to earn and put food on the table and a roof over our heads and call unemployed people laze and hold up unemployment extensions until they force a tax cut benefit for the rich of about 800 billion while cutting anything and everything that is needed to help the working class and poor. Yeah, I'm gonna give those people my money.......NOT!
Lou

[Curmudgeoness]

20. If you want to hit the Koch Brothers where it counts, get a rope.

I don't think that a boycott will do much damage, especially since most of their money is invested in other places.

But it is always good to know what NOT to buy. I don't know if this is related to the boycott calls, but I have been pleased to see so many coupons and specials on these products lately. This means that they are trying to move product. I don't know if it means that product has not been moving. But I will do without!

[Shandris]

27. You misspelled G-U-I-L-L-O-T-I-N-E. You spelled it R-O-P-E.

:)

[Curmudgeoness]

33. Damned spellcheck. They always warn me about that.

Eye guess that eye am two lazy too no bitter.

[louslobbs]

37. lol,

[louslobbs]

36. Either one works for me, but the Guillotine is so quick and painless, a rope on the other hand is so

.......rope like. I can go with either one though we can be Democratic about it, give them a choice lol.
Thanks for the comment
Lou

[Curmudgeoness]

39. I love it...giving them a choice. nt

[louslobbs]

40. lol, just to be Democratic

Lou

[louslobbs]

30. I'll go with the rope, and thanks for the comment

Lou

[Courtesy Flush]

43. Calls for violence are not appropriate. nt

[Curmudgeoness]

44. OK, I will just sit here and keep knitting. nt

[louslobbs]

46. lol, can I borrow some of your yarn please?

[BobbyBoring]

24. Jesus H Christ!

here's the problem. If MILLIONS of us boycott their products, it will hurt them. It takes less effort than trying to figure out ways it won't work which is all I see here. Boycotts work IF you do it. yes there's more to be done but this is just one step and an easy one to take.

[louslobbs]

32. Bobby! Thank you sir, you are right there with me, it's so simple yet so hard for some to get

the question isn't "what if it doesn't work"? The question is, what if it does? Lou

[greytdemocrat]

25. You realize

That any "boycott" based on the membership of a message board is going to have about zero effect right?

It feels good to do these things but they rarely accomplish anything of meaning.

[louslobbs]

34. First off, I only realize that people make excuses for not doing almost anything in life. By passing

information, even on a message board can have it's effects. If you give people information and they pass that information on by informing more and more people, who can then inform others and so on I think that can have some effect. So your Zero effect argument falls right off a cliff, but it was a nice try. As for accomplishing "anything of meaning", that would depend on the "meaning" one is putting into something. If I create the story in my head that I'm a failure and that's the meaning I put into my life, then I will probably fail. I don't necessarily disagree with you about "boycotts" having limited effect, but if nobody bought another pack of cigarettes tomorrow, or any other tobacco product (just a hypothetical) and never bought it ever again (just as a test), tell me, what do you think would happen to the industry that produces cigarettes? What "effect" might that have if everyone who felt the same way participated? It will never happen, (the cigarette hypo), but when people come together, with a common goal and work together without excuses as to why they can't, anything is possible.
Lou

[greytdemocrat]

42. Meh.

The common reasoning for doing this. In my opinion things like this are a waste of time and DU is covered with examples of goob intentioned boycotts that just ended up being jokes.

But go ahead and knock yourself out. :popcorn:

[louslobbs]

45. Exactly, this is your opinion and I gave you mine, as for "goob" intentions

lots of resigned and cynical people feel the way you do about peoples good intentions, telling others to "knock themselves out" while eating their popcorn and waiting for things to happen. Some people make things happen and others wait for things to happen, I think we know which you are simply by reading your posts. Enjoy your popcorn it looks delicious, but resigned and cynical is no way to go through life.
Lou

[bindelh]

41. Koch Industries

Refining and Chemicals

Koch companies have been in the petroleum business since 1940, growing our refining capacity more than 80-fold. Today these companies engage in petroleum refining, chemicals and base oil production, crude oil supply, and wholesale marketing of fuels, base oils, petrochemicals, asphalt and other products. <snip>

http://www.kochind.com/IndustryAreas/refining.aspx

[louslobbs]

47. A Koch and a smile? Sponsored by: Koch? I'd like to buy the world a Koch?

So you are a fan of Koch Industries and their Chemical and Refining business? Thanks for the information.

[bindelh]

48. Nope definately a NO. n/t

[Rex]

49. I've bought brawny in the past...will never ever again.

Otherwise, I don't buy any of those products and never have. I hope they end up poor and dumpster diving. Would be a good thing for the two brothers of evil.